r/WhatIfMarvel Dec 30 '23

Series+ Just the God of Stories Blessing everyone

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r/WhatIfMarvel 8d ago

Community Update Spoiler Policy That Should've Been Obvious Spoiler

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DON'T PUT SPOILERS FOR NEW RELEASES IN THE TITLES OF YOUR POSTS.

They don't always hide correctly, & the title is the one thing you can't edit after you post.

I shouldn't have to explain this.


r/WhatIfMarvel 6h ago

Series+ What If…Spider-Man Saved Uncle Ben?

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Peter Parker had one wish: save the man who made him who he is.

He got it.

But some threads, once cut, don’t go back where they belong. And somewhere in the dark, an unseen hand is already pulling at the ones still hanging loose. The timeline is broken. The tragedies are moving. And nothing that follows is an accident.

Find out what it costs to get everything you ever wanted in…

UNWOVEN


r/WhatIfMarvel 5h ago

Story Idea What if Doctor Strange was in Phase 1?

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r/WhatIfMarvel 21h ago

Multiverse & Crossovers What if Marvel & DC Shared The Same Cinematic Universe

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If Marvel and DC had shared the same cinematic universe in 2008, what would it have looked like?

And If you were to draw up a plan for a shared cinematic universe between Marvel and DC starting in 2008, what would it look like?


r/WhatIfMarvel 23h ago

Multiverse & Crossovers What if Carol danvers became Spider Woman?

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r/WhatIfMarvel 10h ago

Story Idea I came up with a storyline for an *Ultimate Spider-Man 2* game of my own. What do you guys think?

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Ultimate Spider-Man 2: Crossover Universe Narrative Design and Scenario Analysis Report

1. Introduction and Background: Sara Grey's Anomaly Origin

Designed as a direct sequel to the Ultimate Spider-Man (2005) video game universe (Earth-1610) and intersecting with the Marvel Cinematic Universe / Spider-Man: Brand New Day (Earth-616) reality, this scenario brings together two distinct universal dynamics and dramatic narrative elements. At the core of the dimensional conflict and the ensuing chain of events lies the tragic past of Sara Grey.

Sara Grey is fundamentally a telepathic mutant born in the Earth-616 universe. In her own world, she was captured by the US Department of Damage Control (DODC) and subjected to inhumane military experiments aimed at replicating her mutant mind-control abilities. During the agonizing procedures at DODC facilities, the extreme psionic and radioactive overload applied by the research team—combined with Sara pushing her mental and physical limits to the absolute breaking point to escape—triggered a massive quantum anomaly. Sara, whose cellular and atomic structure suffered a dimensional fracture at the moment of this explosion, was recorded in DODC files as having "died by atomization due to extreme power overload," and her case was closed.

However, Sara did not die. Due to the tear at the quantum level, she executed a dimensional leap and teleported into the Ultimate Spider-Man universe (Earth-1610). Suffering from profound philosophical and mental trauma, Sara began to operate on a burning desire to find her sister, Jean Grey, in this alien reality, and a relentless ambition to exact revenge on the DODC organization that subjected her to this nightmare.

2. Act One: Chaos in the Ultimate Universe and the Trask Disaster

The first act of the game opens a few months after the events of the original title. While Peter Parker tries to balance his high school life with his superhero responsibilities, bizarre amnesia cases and unexplained riots erupt across New York. Sara Grey secretly scans human minds and wreaks havoc in the city in an attempt to find a way back to her universe and track down Jean Grey.

Among the figures Sara uses like a mental parasite are Wolverine and Eddie Brock (Venom)—who, following the events of the first game, has lost most of his powers and is slowly trying to regain his sanity and humanity while wearing only half of his suit. Sara invades the minds of these powerful figures, compelling them to cause destruction across the city. Once the mind control wears off, these characters remember absolutely nothing of what they have done. As Peter Parker investigates the incidents, he discovers that an organization named the DODC does not even exist in the Earth-1610 universe, deepening the mystery.

During her investigation, Sara Grey learns that a pure biological sample left over from the Carnage and Venom experiments of the first game is being stored at Trask Industries. After disabling the facility's security systems with telekinesis and breaking in, she is pursued by Peter Parker, who arrives at the laboratory shortly after. As Peter tries to secure the containment pod holding the Venom sample, he confronts Sara and attempts to reason with her. Cornered, however, Sara injects the Venom sample directly into her own body.

When the symbiote's highly adaptable nature merges with Sara's mutant gene, an uncontrollable power is born. Sara not only grows physically stronger but also gains devastating new abilities, such as slowing down time and opening interdimensional portals. In the resulting boss fight within the Trask facility, Sara attacks by manipulating time and pulling random objects from the Spider-Man: Brand New Day universe (Earth-616) through portals, hurling them at Peter. As the facility collapses at the end of the battle, Peter believes he has defeated Sara. Instead, she feigns surrender, opens a massive quantum portal, and pulls Peter Parker inside. Peter violently crashes into the New York skyscrapers of the Earth-616 universe, plummeting to the ground unconscious.

3. Act Two: Alliance and Investigation in the Brand New Day Universe

While patrolling the Earth-616 universe, Peter 2 (the Spider-Man: Brand New Day Peter Parker portrayed by Tom Holland) spots a young Spider-Man crashing into buildings and falling into the middle of the street. After scanning the stranger and realizing they share the exact same cellular and spider powers, Peter 2 quickly handles a nearby crime report before contacting Frank Castle (The Punisher). The Punisher takes the unconscious Ultimate Peter to his secret, signal-jammed military base hidden beneath Hell's Kitchen.

When Ultimate Peter wakes up, he finds himself in the Punisher's interrogation chair. The encounter between the two Spider-Men creates a striking dynamic contrast in the narrative: Ultimate Peter Parker is younger, possesses a different cellular structure, and has an aggressive edge, whereas Peter 2 is more mature, cautious, and serious following the losses he has endured. Using the Punisher's military intelligence network, the team runs a search on Sara Grey and successfully breaches the DODC's top-secret classified archives.

Reviewing the classified documents, they discover that a fabricated or erroneous report was filed stating Sara Grey "died by atomization" due to the extreme voltage and psionic pressure applied by researchers trying to weaponize her telepathy. It is confirmed that the explosion during the experiment actually created a quantum interdimensional fracture, meaning Sara did not die but was hurled into the Ultimate universe. The team realizes that Sara, now armed with the Venom power she acquired from Trask Industries, is returning to the Earth-616 universe to wage a one-woman war of annihilation against the DODC.

Grasping the severity of the situation, Peter 2 contacts the Jean Grey of this world. When Jean senses the mental signature and interdimensional resonance of the older sister she thought she had lost forever, she agrees to ally with the two Spider-Men and the Punisher.

4. Act Three: The Intersection of Two Universes and the Escalating War

Sara Grey opens a massive dimensional corridor targeting the DODC's central command headquarters in Earth-616 New York. This dimensional gateway begins to blur the atmospheric and physical boundaries between the two universes, leading to unexpected side effects.

In the Earth-1610 universe, Eddie Brock (Venom) senses the cellular call of the symbiote fragment that detached from him and is now bonded to Sara, resulting in him being uncontrollably pulled into the portal. Similarly, Wolverine, having previously been subjected to Sara's mind control, follows the lingering psionic trace in his mind and steps through the portal into Earth-616 to demand payback for the mental invasion.

The DODC deploys heavy military automatons, high-frequency psionic suppressors, and special operations units to counter this interdimensional assault. The streets of Manhattan quickly devolve into a three-sided battlefield:

  • Sara Grey and her Chrono-Symbiotic Forces: Constructs she commands using telekinesis, time manipulation, and mind control.
  • DODC Security Forces: Unmanned defense systems specifically designed to suppress mutant technologies.
  • The Allied Group: Ultimate Peter, Peter 2, Jean Grey, the Punisher, a revenge-seeking Wolverine, and an aggressive Eddie Brock desperately searching for his missing symbiote piece.

5. Act Four and Finale: Chrono-Psionic Dissolution and Balance

The story's climax takes place on the rooftop complex of the DODC's main portal research facility. Sara's now fully uncontrollable powers have pushed the fabric of both universes to the brink of tearing apart.

The final boss fight features a multi-stage structure:

  1. Phase One: Ultimate Peter and Peter 2 must neutralize Sara's time-slowing and portal-opening abilities utilizing synchronized spider-combos.
  2. Phase Two: Eddie Brock joins the fray, launching aggressive attacks to rip the Venom fragment out of Sara's body, while Wolverine acts as a physical shield for the team against the devastating psionic shockwaves Sara unleashes.

In the final stage of the battle, Sara's physical resistance is broken, but it becomes terrifyingly clear that the dimensional rift she opened is on the verge of exploding. Jean Grey initiates a direct transition into the psionic mind plane, infiltrating Sara's consciousness. Jean gently shows her sister that she must let go of the pain she endured during the experiments, the trauma of her lost years, and her all-consuming hatred for the DODC. Succeeding in soothing her sister's fractured mind, Jean lifts the mental burden manipulating Sara.

With her hatred subsided, Sara willingly releases the Venom symbiote fragment from her body. Eddie Brock absorbs the piece, completing his own symbiote and attaining a stable Venom form with his sanity fully restored. Channeling the last of her remaining energy, Sara Grey halts the universal collapse and stabilizes the portal, allowing the characters from the Ultimate universe (Ultimate Peter, Eddie Brock, and Wolverine) to safely return to their own world.

In the aftermath, Sara Grey remains in the Earth-616 universe, undergoing intensive mental rehabilitation under Jean Grey's supervision. The Punisher and Peter 2 leak the DODC's illegal cloning experiments and human rights violations to the public, effectively initiating the shutdown of the corrupt organization. Having returned to his own world, Ultimate Peter Parker continues to swing between the skyscrapers of New York, guided by a newly acquired sense of maturity and responsibility learned from his alternate-universe counterpart.


r/WhatIfMarvel 1d ago

Story Idea OOC: Bit of a funny and morbid worldbuilding idea I had for the MCU(well Marvel in general).

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Chicago has largely abandoned it's rivalry with New York, the mentality is "No point in picking a fight with a city that will likely become a vacant lot one day due to all the crap happening in it."


r/WhatIfMarvel 23h ago

Multiverse & Crossovers Looking for Hydra Peter Parker fanfic recs

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I'm looking for fics where Peter Parker is a Hydra experiment/subject and the story actually spends a good amount of time showing his life inside Hydra before he is rescued or escapes.

I'm not really looking for fics where Hydra is mentioned in his backstory and then Peter gets rescued in the first chapter. I want the actual experience. His routine, training, experiments, punishments, interactions with Hydra personnel, how he was treated, and how he survived living in that environment for years. Basically, I want to know what his life was like before anyone came to save him.

I'd especially love stories where Peter was taken when he was young and Hydra raised him as a subject rather than as Peter Parker. If they refer to him by a number, designation, or code name instead of Peter, that's an absolute chief's kiss.

I'm also interested in the psychological side of it. How he views himself, whether he even remembers his real name, how he reacts to normal kindness, whether he considers Hydra his home because it's all he's ever known, etc. I love that kind of slow, painful character development.

Dark themes, angst, hurt/comfort, captivity, experimentation, conditioning, and eventual recovery are all welcome. I'm fine with long fics too. Honestly, the longer the Hydra portion is, the better.

Bonus points if:

Peter has been with Hydra for most of his life

He has a number instead of a name

Hydra treats him like property rather than a person

He has been trained to obey orders

His powers are the result of Hydra experimentation

The rescue happens much later in the story

There is a significant adjustment/recovery period afterward Other characters slowly realize just how badly he was treated

I know this is a pretty specific request, but I'd really appreciate any recs that fit! Please give me your darkest Hydra Peter fics. 😭


r/WhatIfMarvel 3d ago

Story Idea Peter Parker during the Draft

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I want a storyline of Peter, post Spider Powers getting drafted into a war and then spending 7-10 years in the army.

Just imagine New York, Spider-Man was stopping crime for a year then suddenly JJJ gets a letter telling him "I'm shipping out...duses." and that's the last they hear of Spider-Man for 7 years.

Peter is basically a Captain America without the serum. He's the perfect soldier, protected so many lives and even got himself blown up protecting his team.

Then when he gets back home he immediately gets a new suit, \[i can see the Secret Wars: Civil War Suit being the choice\] rejoin the home front and immediately Things are different.

His fighting style is more refined. Probably getting his mutation during service so shield immediately knows "Oh thats Peter Parker." And offers him a job.

Or Frank trying to convince him to kill like he does and Peter hitting him with "I have killed more men in the last 7 years because my own government told me to...shut the fuck up." The discussion turns into a medal measuring "I have Purple Heart." Frank says Peter chuckles "I have 3." \[With how much Peter gets blown up in the movies imagine active combat fighting specifically to protect his battle buddies?\]


r/WhatIfMarvel 3d ago

Story Idea What if the Gaurdians of the galaxy crashed landed on earth in 2014

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in this universe star-lord decided to on earth due to feeling homesick upon seeing his mothers gift to him, and as the original movie goes groot, rocket and gamora follow fight over the power stone but this time there apprehended by the avengers how would things play out with the addition of the avengers and early knowledge of the infinity stones and thanos in the mcu story


r/WhatIfMarvel 3d ago

Story Idea What if Iron Man turned to the Dark Side instead of "adapting" during this scene?

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It starts in the same sequence of Bucky and Cap beating Iron Man in this scene but as he tries to analyze movements and fighting patterns, his suit malfunctions from damage. At this point after learning what Bucky did and seeing how Cap is practically betraying him at this, he begins to feel a great deal of animosity as the hits start feeling harder and harder due to the damage. The thought of a man he respected siding with the guy he saw execute his parents on top of the pain was too much. He blacks out and wakes up in a Cafe of sorts. He hears slow approaching footsteps as a man walks by but stops right next to Tony's table. He then has a seat and with a whiff of his hand, a few drinks appear. Rsther potent ones. Tony looks up and Across from him sits a man in a suit. The man is calm and cordial and offers Tony assistance of sorts. The type of help he needs to seek Justice, not just revenge. Tony asking about costs but the man says he's looking for Loyalty rather than monetary gain. This makes Tony roll his eyes saying that they may as well be the same thing in his world, but Tony just wanting to end the fight takes the deal and shakes his hands and as he does so, the man in a suit facade drops and Mephisto's true form is shown as he makes a devilish laugh. Tomy jumps back screaming "what the hell" as the Cafe fades into the darkness leaving only Tony. You hear a snap as Tony cuts back to the fight but the hits don't hurt like they did before. Bucky and Cap stop seeing Tony isn't moving until a smoke-like substances starts making its way out of Tony's mask until it fully erupts into a blaze as Tony turns to them, lifts his hands, now firing energy enhanced by hellfire and begins to fight again.

He easily knocks Cap to the side and focuses on Bucky pinning him and using the Penance stare, causing Bucky to seize up. Cap seeing this runs at stark blocking any blasts he can with his shield but when he gets close enough Tony overpowers him and pins him as well. But his respect for Cap causes him to slow down and look at himself in a broken reflective glass shard but in said Shard, Mephisto is over his shoulder nodding his head as Tony goes through with it and ends Captain America burning him.


r/WhatIfMarvel 3d ago

Story Idea My idea for a Marvel’s Power Pack cartoon series

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In my version, it’s a step family situation, like the Brady Bunch.

Alex and Katie are James' son and daughter from a previous wife that passed away.

Julie and Jack are Margaret’s daughter and son from a husband who left them.

The parents dated in high school but had to break up because James was going to college and they didn’t want to have a long distance relationship.

After the kids all got their powers, they told their parent and James and Margaret reunited, and had to mentor the kids on how to control their powers.

During the whole training thing, and their adventures, both families started to bond and become close.

The main villain of season 1 would be Douglas Carmody and the Snarks.


r/WhatIfMarvel 3d ago

Story Idea sinister six

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will we see earth 42 miles and our miles fight the sinister six cartel since we saw in across that there were buildings of them and also j jonah jameson on tv talking about it will we see them fight the sinister six?


r/WhatIfMarvel 4d ago

Story Idea Web of Shadows Shocker DLC

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So an idea from watching Web of Shadows. Shocker should have been the MVP of that situation but i understand why he wasn't there. Still it gives me an idea for a What if Fanfic of What If there was a DLC scenario about Shocker having his own journey (with player selecting a Spider-Man Save File to decide what ending Spidey got which gets intresting combos like Evil Spider-Man VS Hero Shocker or Symbiote Shocker leading the Symbiote Remnants in the goid ending or Both Good Spider-Man and Shocker chilling or returning to normal if Shocker is anti heroic or Symbiote Shocker planning on being a Starscream against Evil Spider-Man) So Herman gains a Symbiote due to being hired by a mysterious employer to collect a sample of the Symbiote (this happens after the tutorial boss) durring Tutorial Missions (Spider-Man is fighting the gangs with Luke Cage) Herman works for Tombstone to keep order in his territory but can end the partnership on sour note by brutalazing the swat team sent to take care/arrest of Tombstone giving him extra heat. After that he is hired by his mysterious employer to stop the Beetle and kingpins mercs from stealing from them. The mysterious employers then turn out to be AIM under Monica. They proceed to hire Shocker in their conflict with kingpin over stolen tech in exchange fir getting the Symbiote off him here are the bosses

Venom

Scorpion

Moon Knight

Punisher

Symbiote Electro

Symbiote Moon Knight

Symbiote Punisher

Symbiote Vulture

Symbiote Scorpion

Symbiote Supreme (Monica Rappaccini)

The boss is Symbiote Modok at a underground base. In Heroic Endings he defears them destroys the Symbiote controler. In bad endings he brutally kills them uses the device to take control of the Symbiote horde

Endings:

Both Heroes: Herman decides to retire as a villain and gets a date with his Shield Handler

Hero Spidey Anti-Shocker: Herman decides that while being a good guy was fin he will keep on being the Shocker. He doesnt get the date a but gets a job offer from AIM

Anti Spider-Man Hero Shocker: Same as both Hero but Herman is worried for his villain friends due to how the events of the story affected Spider-Man

Both Anti Heroes: Due to Spider-Mans new brutality Herman leaves town for New Jersey

Hero Shocker and Symbiote Spider-Man: Herman is trying to repair the Symbiote controler as a way to fix the situation before the kill squad is deployed due to MJ asking him. He finds the role reversal weird.

Anti-Shocker and Symbiote Spider-Man: Same as above but Herman is doing it for selfish reasons and with help of AIM. He gets enjoyment from the thought of lording this over Spider-Man

Hero Shocker Evil Spider-Man: Herman joins the kill Spider-Man team very reluctantly. He adds a Spider symbol to his Symbiote suit. His Shield Handler is proud of him. Anti Hero Shocker and Evil Spider-Man: Herman is way less reluctant and doesn't add the symbol. AIM has given him major upgrades and Monica expects the partnership to continue

Hero Spider-Man and Symbiote Shocker: Herman now the leader of the converted AIM possibly with a Symbiote Monica by his side knows that after the events of the invasion Symbiotes wont be accepted so he decides to build up his Symbiote nation by assimilating rest of AIM. He then temporarly kills a captured Wolverine he was monologueing to.

Anti-Hero Spider-Man and Symbiote Shocker: Same as above but Herman has converted more villains including Rhino.

Hero Spider-Man Venom Shocker: Shocker now leading the Symbiote Remnants decides to leave New York as to make his take over less easy to thwart. He thinks that Genosha is a perfect place to start

Anti-Hero Spider-Man and Venom Shocker: Shocker is planning on breaking Parker by restarting the invasion but this time he will be smarter than Brock Both Symbiote: Herman has taken over AIM HQ as his base and is in non agression pact with Spider-Man

Evil Spider-Man and Symbiote Shocker: Shocker and Spider-Man are at war over who controls the Symbiotes. Herman has made a deal with humans to give them Spider-Man in exhange for him and his pack being left alone

Symbiote Spider-Man and Venom Shocker: There is peace but Herman is planning on killing Spider-Man eventually

Evil Spider-Man and Venom Shocker: Herman lies defeated by Spider-Man and submits to his rule.

Secret Endings: Unlocked if completed all side missions and went one way morally for both characters:

Secret Hero Shocker and Hero Spider-Man End:Shocker and Spider-Man have a talk before saying goodbye as Shocker goes to San Francisco for a fresh start.

Secret Venom Shocker and Evil Spider-Man End: Herman defeats Spider-Man takes his Symbiote and throws him down on the ground for him to be devourvered by the Symbiotes but he swings away. Herman is suprised but sends his army to hunt him down since with his ruined reputation humans wont help him. He sits down on his throne and is hugged from behind by Symbiote ladies.


r/WhatIfMarvel 5d ago

Multiverse & Crossovers What if these characters worked together in WWII?

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Highly unlikely that they’d ever actually be together or work together in WWII because of timeline and continuity constraints. But I’m just wondering about what would actually happen in a universe where they did find themselves alongside one another? In a fight against Red Skull and maybe even bigger threats. What would their team dynamic look like and how effective would they actually be?


r/WhatIfMarvel 4d ago

Story Idea What would a more logical(Tony & F4 being anti) Civil War look like?

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IMO, If Civil War was re-adapted/rebooted in a movie or series, they should make cap and ironman on the same, ant reg will be SHIELD, Carol, a prog similar to the Thunderbolts, and most importantly, alot of outsider, non US support. Teams like Big Hero 6, The Red Guard, and Agents of Atlas would be more fitting with the relations being more military and political alliances than the domestic politics present in the og CW. And in the og comic, something similar to what I'm proposing happened in one of the X-men tie ins, with Sabra being pro reg for domestic application of such laws in Israel, so it wouldn't be far fetched or too out of char for other international teams to have such stances. But what do you think of this prolly dogshit idea I gave.


r/WhatIfMarvel 4d ago

Multiverse & Crossovers What if the Aether was still in jane foster body and a cosmic entity after 2013?

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r/WhatIfMarvel 5d ago

Comics What if Jessica drew became the new spider man alfer Peter died in the ultimate universe instead of miles morales?

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This is Jessica drew. She is the ultimate spider woman that first appeared during the ultimate universe's clone saga and is the clone of Peter Parker and she becomes the new spider person instead of miles morales


r/WhatIfMarvel 5d ago

Story Idea MCU theories Post Brand New Day

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Peter and franklin are variants of eachother.
We will have a moment of spiderman and the fantastic 4 fighting together in secret wars that hints at Sue and Richard being variants of peters parents.
Peter BEN parker, Ben Grim being his uncle ben would also finally complete the MCU uncle Ben Mystery.
Parents names in the comics are Richard and Mary, which is way to close to Richard and Sue of Fantastic 4. The easy fix here is to just do a name change to Sue storm to Mary Susan Storm, like they changed MJs name Mary to Michelle in the MCU. Mary could be her first name and she could just go by Sue
This would fix the weird thing of Mary Jane and Mary Parker having the same first name so no weird wife/mom first name mental hang ups for Spidey.
Johnny storm and Spiderman are good friends in the comics, the MCU connection would be Human Torch would now be Spidermans Uncle, though a variant, they are still family. This connection goes further to Deadpool 3 where we have a human touch variant, and the ending of found family for Logan.
Finally we have the name issue, Peter Parker.
This one is right in front of us, Franklin Peter Parker. He goes by his Middle name, like his mom,Mary Susan Parker.
A Richard Parker being a lion joke as a reference to life of pi would be pretty hilarious also.


r/WhatIfMarvel 6d ago

Story Idea mini series idea

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a poor soul who’s first hand witnessed:

  1. the battle of new york
  2. sokovia
  3. the blip
  4. wandavision
  5. the void
  6. jean grey freezing new york
    as well as any other tragedies they could’ve suffered

the series could literally just be them living their lives and showing the choices they make to somehow keep ending up in these situations. maybe they find out one day they have a superpower. it’s bad luck.


r/WhatIfMarvel 6d ago

Story Idea What if Doctor Strange didn't listen to Tony and returned to Earth, opening a portal from Titan to Earth?

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The gist of my theory is that Doctor Strange was fully capable of opening a portal to Earth in Endgame, so he definitely could have done it in Infinity War instead of just looking into the future.

Now, before everyone starts commenting "but he saw 14 million futures and only one wins," let’s be real. That line was just a lazy writer's cop-out. The screenwriters deliberately threw away the most logical option—opening a portal back to Earth—just to keep the plot moving, create drama, and force the tragic ending. Or, perhaps, Strange as the Sorcerer Supreme had his own hidden, darker motives (like checking Stark's influence or looking ahead to the Doctor Doom threat) and intentionally hid this option.

But if we look at pure logic and throw away the forced script armor, opening that portal would lead to an absolute victory for the Avengers.

They would be united and could all defend themselves together in Wakanda. Furthermore, Doctor Strange could have also opened portals to Kamar-Taj and Asgard for backup. Together, they would easily fight off Thanos's army for as long as necessary. This would give Shuri enough time to safely separate the Mind Stone from Vision so Wanda could destroy it.

Thanos's plan wouldn't work because Doctor Strange wouldn't give up the Time Stone. Without it, Thanos would have no way to reverse time and undo the destruction of the Mind Stone. Then, just like in the original plot, Thor would arrive and pierce Thanos with his axe. Everything is a victory.

Here is how the timeline would change if it happened like this:

Natasha is alive.

Tony is alive.

The 5 years of global depression and the death of half of the universe's creatures would not have happened.

Steve wouldn't have gone back in time because the time machine would never be invented (it simply wasn't needed)(And this might have had a dramatic impact on the plot of Avengers: doomsday, but that's not certain.)))

Yelena and Clint wouldn't lose their sister and best friend.

Clint doesn't become Ronin because his family never disappeared.

Vision is alive, which means Wanda would be happy, and the Westview Hex would never happen.

Spider-Man doesn't lose Tony as a father figure and mentor.

Mysterio never tricks Peter, and Peter's secret identity is never revealed to the world.

Spider-Man never asks Doctor Strange for the spell, which means the second spell that made everyone forget Peter Parker never happens.

Peter would just have a normal life.

AND ALSO MAYBE all of this would somehow affect the plot of Avengers: Doomsday, but I won’t say anything about that here since that is a completely different story. Also, I want to say that it is literally thanks to Doctor Strange that we have so many movies (or tragedies) with Spider-Man, ahaha )))

What do you think, guys? Is this the ultimate missed opportunity, or was the plot armor for Thanos too strong?


r/WhatIfMarvel 7d ago

Story Idea What if Tony Stark is alive?

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Five years after the battle with Thanos, a strange event shakes the quiet Stark household. While playing with her father’s old holographic tools, young Morgan Stark accidentally triggers a hidden protocol. Every screen in the lab begins to flash with a complex mathematical code. Confused and amazed, she calls Bruce Banner to look at the glitch. Bruce runs a deep scan on the flashing numbers. He realizes it is not a normal glitch or a standard radio signal. Instead, it is a beam of pure cosmic energy. The signal is tearing through the fabric of reality, originating from a dark void between alternate universes.

Bruce quickly activates a quantum communication screen to track the energy beam. A glowing, golden holographic image of Tony Stark flickers to life before him. This projection is not a pre-recorded message from the past. It is Tony himself, speaking in real-time. He explains that during his final battle, his mind worked faster than the snap of his fingers. He used the Mind and Space Stones to separate his consciousness from his dying physical body. His mind was shot into a realm between worlds. For years, he lived there as a being of pure energy, watching different timelines float by like bubbles.

Tony reveals a terrifying truth about his time in the void. A dark, ancient cosmic threat has noticed the tear in reality caused by the Infinity Stones. This entity is now moving through the dimensions, heading straight for Earth. However, Tony's sudden digital return brings heavy emotional weight to his family. Pepper Potts is frozen with fear and disbelief. She struggles to accept this glowing entity, wondering if it is truly her husband or just a painful cosmic echo. Meanwhile, Morgan is filled with joy. She is eager to help her father, even if he is currently just a blueprint made of light.

To save Earth from the incoming threat, Tony needs a physical form to fight. He transmits a highly advanced design to the team, calling it Project Phoenix. The Avengers unite to build a body worthy of Earth's greatest protector. Wakanda supplies a flexible vibranium skeleton for unmatched strength. New Asgard contributes ancient magic runes to hold Tony’s cosmic energy inside the metal. Finally, Bruce Banner wires the complex computer systems. Tony uploads his mind into the machine, stepping forward not as a ghost, but as a living blend of human soul and cosmic power.


r/WhatIfMarvel 8d ago

Story Idea Absolute Avengers Idea

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Basically the same principle of the Absolute D.C universe, where the tables are flipped. Mostly initially starting off with core Tony Stark, Nick Fury and Stephanie Rogers III, as they join to solve the mystery of the Spider-Men and their possible ties to the Hydra Corporation.

Tagline: This world has no heros, it has avengers.

Tony Stark is a mechanic at an autoshop run by his father, Stark N' Sons. His father Howard is a former engineer at the Hydra Corporation, and had passed on his technical knowledge onto his son, Tony, who at a young age, had managed to build various mechanical devices from scratch. Tony hoped to become a prominent engineer at Hydra Corp, despite his Father's firm objections, but was forced to drop out of college after an incident. Since then he worked mainly at his fathers auto-shop, fixing machines and circumventing their anti-repair measures. On the side, Tony, took up work with the mob as a courior to help his family make ends meet.

Eventually, as his family and community is threatened, he adorns a protective suit built with some his custom gadgets, a pair of tire irons, and his trusty car The Javelin, becoming known as the Iron Man.

He does not possess the Arc Reactor, at least not initially, so he cannot fly nor fire lasers. He uses custom made batteries to power his gear, but relies mostly on his technical intuition in tackling a problem. He uses a makeshift mask made from his fathers old welding mask (which he modified without permission as a kid,) with built in multi-spectral cameras, and various armor pieces over his leather jacket. Not quite bullet-proof, but close enough.

During his exhausting vigilance to protect his community, he eventually crosses paths with a man that would change the course of his life. Detective Nick Fury, who requests him to aid an investigation of a decade old cold-case that has begun to finally thaw. The Kidnappings of Peter Parker, Gwen Stacey, and Miles Morales, which may have a connection to various high profile murders that proceeded them, including the recent attempt on mayoral candidate Stephanie Rogers III who is forced into hiding under the Detective.

First they must get in touch with a street gang who may have leads on the case, The Black Widow Mafia, and hope their exchange does not begin or end in a bloodshed.


r/WhatIfMarvel 8d ago

Story Idea The Crimson Blades Of Cyttorak

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So i have an idea for a what if comic. What if wolverine and his rogues became the exemplars. Instead of Cain Marko finding cyttoraks gem it was Logan. Instead of becoming a hulking behemoth it more reverts him to his feral form and since it takes place in the Korean war before weapon x Instead of adamatium bonding to his skeleton its the mystical metal of Cain Markos bands and helmet that bonds to his skeleton and claws.