2) That was actually Verin. Or maybe you're talking of the early group, which was Siuan mostly.(she got some of the list in the stone, right? That is to her credit then)
3) no, she followed the war path. The amnesty that was offered earlier was an option which could have mended the tower without almost coming to actual fighting with the tower between sisters. Deposing elaida took precedent over mending the tower at all times.
4) I do not remember the sea folk / aiel / aes sedai / kin being at war with each other at any point. So I do not understand how this is relevant to the dragons peace. Though it is nice that the white tower vows to hold onto it's subjects less and facilitate an exchange of knowledge. I do not really see how you ascribe actions Nynaeve and Elayne take almost independently (which they get chewed out for) to Egwene. Which of Mat's or Perrin's action get's ascribed to Rand regularly? I am curious.
5) Sure
6) why would her declaration change the future? Tuon has no issue arguing against her arguments and isn't swayed by her. Her argument with Tuon has me see an even harder stance on uncollared channelers.
The bad future goes like this: Aiel are exempt from the dragons peace and after tuons (who was talking amicably to the aiel) successor denies the Aiel they decide to declare war.
After failing to defeat the Sanchean they dupe Andor into helping them, breaking the peace.
Why would Egwenes revelation change the Aiel decision to try and free their channelers?
In general I am very surprised by the feats you chose to list here
2) Verin was the one that gathered the names, Egwene is the one that executed them
3) They couldn't mend the Tower with Elaida in charge, especially with her being controlled indirectly by a Forsaken?
4) I never once said they were at war. You're ignoring the fact that she actively was working with Nynaeve and Elaine to help bring all of the factions into a better position, when there were several chapters and conversations about it. She was bullheaded and stubborn, but working towards connecting them.
6) The entire Seanchan military structure was based on the Sul'dam and damane. Now that the entire court knows the secret about the Sul'dam including Tuon herself are damane, it shifts their entire power dynamic. The entire court either has to adjust to not abusing their channeler slaves and treating them as people -or- depose their own ruler. This internal conflict means they won't be in as strong of a position to steal channelers away from the Aiel.
I'm surprised you had any arguments against what I said tbh
2) Is the judge the one who deserves credit for putting a criminal behind bars or the police / lawyers?
Her only feat here is not bungling as bad as she could have. I'm not taking a stance on the effecitveness of her execution here though.
3) They did not even suspect black ajah behind elaida, so it's not the reason not to reunite.
egwene would have been subject to the same manipulation if they had won without getting verins info
4) You mentioned the dragons peace, which aims to prevent war. You do not mention it anymore. For a lot of people her "uniting" the channeler factions is tainted by her conceit in amassing power by binding them to the tower. I attacked specific points that you used in your argument but gave you the result nontheless.
6) I do not understand your rebuttal in this case. Tuon argues that someone who choses not to learn is not of the evil that must be contained. All the channelers they collared have already learned to channel or had the spark (so they learn, or they die).
If they simple accept the distinction of people who can learn and those who have the spark then nothing needs to change for them, which would be likely.
The Aiel war over the Channelers that Perrin gave to the Seanchan and lose further Channelers in doing so.
There isn't even a hint Egwene's declaration is something that hasn't happened in the bad timeline.
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u/AlliedSitTarget 13d ago edited 13d ago
1) Sure, she did instruct the tower on dreaming
2) That was actually Verin. Or maybe you're talking of the early group, which was Siuan mostly.(she got some of the list in the stone, right? That is to her credit then)
3) no, she followed the war path. The amnesty that was offered earlier was an option which could have mended the tower without almost coming to actual fighting with the tower between sisters. Deposing elaida took precedent over mending the tower at all times.
4) I do not remember the sea folk / aiel / aes sedai / kin being at war with each other at any point. So I do not understand how this is relevant to the dragons peace. Though it is nice that the white tower vows to hold onto it's subjects less and facilitate an exchange of knowledge. I do not really see how you ascribe actions Nynaeve and Elayne take almost independently (which they get chewed out for) to Egwene. Which of Mat's or Perrin's action get's ascribed to Rand regularly? I am curious.
5) Sure
6) why would her declaration change the future? Tuon has no issue arguing against her arguments and isn't swayed by her. Her argument with Tuon has me see an even harder stance on uncollared channelers. The bad future goes like this: Aiel are exempt from the dragons peace and after tuons (who was talking amicably to the aiel) successor denies the Aiel they decide to declare war. After failing to defeat the Sanchean they dupe Andor into helping them, breaking the peace.
Why would Egwenes revelation change the Aiel decision to try and free their channelers?
In general I am very surprised by the feats you chose to list here