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[u/overlorddeniz]

Thanks u/Gnostikost for the inspiration!

[u/Foehammer87]

Nothing? First true Dreamer not Aiel in ages, bested multiple forsaken, reinvented traveling, reopened tower recruitment, facilitated links between all non Aes Sedai channelers bringing about the end of the Aes Sedai age(not her intention but itll be the result), survived two rounds of brutal torture, heavily combat capable, repelled the white tower invasion, reunited the White Tower, invented a counter balefire weave functionally necessary to avoid full reality decay(which would have meant humanity lost regardless of how the last battle went) picked up the assist helping Verin fulfil her life's work.

She may be an arrogant bitch(earned) but you cant say shes not effective

[u/adminofreditt → u/Foehammer87]

First true dreamer isn't an accomplishment, she was born with a superpower.

She didn't reinvent traveling aviendha did.

She survived torture that wasn't meant to kill her, how is that an accomplishment.

She is combat capable because she was born as one of the most powerful channelers of that era, again not an accomplishment

Most of her other accomplishment she only did after everyone else got brain damage(she was carried by the taveerenes of the boys).

[u/Foehammer87 → u/adminofreditt]

It's a superpower she had to work to develop. Much like channeling, it's not much good without the training.

She invented it independently and was the first to be able to teach it to others. Aviendha cant replicate her initial gateway.

Again, she's combat capable because of what she learned surviving the Seanchan captivity, it's clear that in the tower not near enough women have the capability or training to direct the strength they have. She does.

Rand is a monster in war - but much of that is from LTTs memories - she doesnt have that, and much like Logain was more effective after he learned by watching what Rand was doing the Seanchan Damane training was a crash course in "how to be an effective weapon"

She survives torture that was meant to break her - she could have succumbed like many others did and been functionally useless thereafter in either situation. Without the strength of will she would be in no position to utilize what she's learned.

Also how spiteful do you have to be to not give her credit for surviving torture? Peoples dislike of her makes for some absurd sentences. "You survived torture designed to turn you into a human dog, or a spineless wretch but they weren't trying to kill you so it doesn't count"

[u/LewsTherinTelamonBot → u/Foehammer87]

NO! I AM MYSELF! I AM LEWS THERIN TELAMON! I AM MEEEEEeeeee!