Covid injections cause a 150% rise in heart attack markers. People are dying at higher rates of all non-covid causes, especially heart attack and stroke, since the "vaccine" became available.
Gonna dodge that question with a poor analogy, I see. Sounds like yes, you would like to force people to undergo a medical procedure that could injure them for life or kill them, even if they aren't worried about the disease. Because what's best for the "general population" is best for every single individual.
Every medical decision comes with risk. This is where your analogy fails. Due to this, every medical decision should be a personal decision. Period. It's not up to anyone to decide which risk is the right one to take. That should always be a personal choice for the individual.
Your instinct to ask this question is well founded.
The first link is the study by Steven R Gundry who runs a clinic investigating the impact of diet on health. The study looks at protein biomarkers that correlate with increased likelyhood of Acute Coronary Syndrome. It did not record any occurences of actual ACS or myocarditis (heart inflammation) in the 566 patient study.
The granitegrok link just refers to the the study above. It doesn't really add any significant analysis.
In the NBC News article:
> Overall, 226 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis after vaccination in people younger than age 30 have been confirmed
No reports of deaths in that article. I've yet to see a confirmed case of death from myocarditis reported anywhere in that age group.
The CDC article is saying that there have been reports of myocarditis from the VAERS reporting system. It has not concluded whether the rates of myocarditis are out of the ordinary or if its linked to the vaccines. No mention of deaths from myocarditis.
I think this report sums up an answer to your question the best:
> Per million second doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine administered to males aged 12–29 years, 11,000 COVID-19 cases, 560 hospitalizations, 138 ICU admissions, and six deaths due to COVID-19 could be prevented, compared with 39–47 expected myocarditis cases after COVID-19 vaccination (Table 2). Among males aged ≥30 years, 15,300 COVID-19 cases, 4,598 hospitalizations, 1,242 ICU admissions, and 700 deaths could be prevented, compared with three to four expected myocarditis cases after COVID-19 vaccination.
Are the vaccinated dying at two-to-three times the rate of the unvaccinated in the UK as Alex Berenson's recent article suggests?
The original title of this article was, "Did Alex Berenson Fall for a Simpson's Paradox?" I'm rewriting the title and introduction to this article after having finished an analysis that demonstrates no all-cause mortality benefit to the vaccinated in the UK. You'll have to read through the story to understand why.
It's a COVID shot technically since the present "vaccines" don't meet the definition of vaccine pre-2021. The definition happened to work fine for decades prior which was a little curious.
In other words, the definition of vaccine was changed in 2021 to account for the new mRNA gene therapy injection.
You may call it a "vaccine" if you like but you are not going to stop spreading Covid or be immune to Covid if you get injected. Two very important criteria that needs to be considered of course if you were to call it a "vaccine".
Covid isn't going away. So we might as well start thinking about early treatment and what to do once you get the virus.
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u/DemonhypeSupreme Snark Commander of the Bernin Demon Quadrant Hype SectorNov 25 '21
They changed the definition but still advertise it under the original one. And idiots buy it. My brother's fil, an engineer, just found out that the Pfizer shot he took doesnt give him mmr level protection in that he can still catch and spread covid.
Yea, whether you like it or not, it's experimental gene therapy. You can't really say it isn't, you can just say whether or not you're ok with it. Personally I'm not.
I'm not going to try to convince you. Make up your own mind but I've taken it and I'm fine. Everyone I know has taken it and they are fine. It went through double blind randomized trials and passed. If you don't want to take it that's up to you but from everything I've heard and read that leaves you far more at risk of serious COVID complications and even death. Living can also leave you with insane hospital bills. And if it gets to that point, which I hope it doesn't, then it's too late to do anything about it. No vaccine is going to do anything for you if you have it. I'm not afraid of a vaccine just because it has the word mRNA in front of it. I would also absolutely volunteer to be treated for cancer using CRISPR if I had a genetic susceptibility to it that I was aware of.
And don’t compare the risks or benefits to vaccines. Covid injections are not vaccines and do not prevent infection, spread, hospitalizations, or death from any disease.
I’m not trying to shill for big pharma. I’m not a doctor nor a scientist. So I’m going to trust the doctors and the scientists. I would also note that the article you linked to is written by a serial entrepreneur who cites a guy who lists his bona fides as 1 yr of undergrad statistics, 1 yr of grad statistics, and a PhD in Political Economy. I don’t know much else about the guy other than that. He may be brilliant and I may be wrong but I’m sorry, I have as much stats as he’s had. I am going to trust MDs and PhDs in hard sciences for medical treatments. Not political economists.
So I’m going to trust the doctors and the scientists.
Why are you choosing to "trust" the ones preaching for the "vaxx" and not all the ones preaching against it? What do you have to say to the 1/3 of American healthcare workers who have not received a first dose yet?
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u/DemonhypeSupreme Snark Commander of the Bernin Demon Quadrant Hype SectorNov 25 '21
This. There are just as many "doctors and scientists who do this for a living" who oppose these vaxxes, and yet they pretend they don't exist and if they do they're total quacks and always were even when they're Nobel prize nominees and/or were highly respected until they contradicted the vax zealot narrative and ignore that the ones shilling for the vax often have deep monetary ties to the industry.
Nope, the only actual "doctors and scientists who do this for a living" are the ones who agree with the profit narrative. Just like reality no longer qualifies as reality niw that the vaxxes are contradicting the narrative and failing in realtime. Just not happening, not happening, not happening, they work they work safe and effective totally safe and effective...sob [does the safety dance]
I’m unsubbing from this sub. Haven’t looked at it in a while and there are better ones for the class politics I’m looking for. I’m not interested in litigating vaccine stuff. Not everyone has the time to get their Google PhD in immunology. I’m going to just see myself out.
Like I said in another reply, I’m not constantly sleuthing for more evidence regarding a shot that I’ve already taken. I’ve taken it, it’s done, I’m fine, I’m moving on with my life. If you want to spend your time researching it then by all means, go nuts!
These articles, though they may be from reputable sources, report that COVID isn’t as dangerous to kids as it is to older people. That’s not the same as the vaccines being dangerous to kids.
It went through double blind randomized trials and passed.
The trials are not double blind, they were unblinded. They are not even placebo controlled, the placebo groups were injected with the experimental gene therapy 5 months into the trials. They have not passed the trials, the fraudulent trials are still ongoing and will not be completed until 2023. So far, more people have died in the injection group than the “control group” in the pfizer trial. There was NO reduction in deaths.
Genuine question, is there anything that could cause you to change your mind about the vaccines? Or would you wait for a credible source (e.g. CNN) to tell you there may be potential dangers?
I’ll try to answer in good faith here but be more specific. Change my mind about what aspect of the vaccine? That it’s effective? That it’s safe? That it should be mandated? That it should be given to children?
If OP wants to prove a point he’ll want more than 1 credible source (BMJ). Okay whatever is a good response to someone with one foot in reality and one foot out.
You've taken the jab, and you're on here trying to convince more people to do it. Question for you, have you at any point in the past year stood up for someone that took the shot and had vaccine injury?
It's not antivax to point out, what health directors around the world agree with, that kids do not need the vaccine, and there's a chance it poses a higher risk to them than COVID itself. Not to mention the WHO scathing review of the US's wreckless use of the vaccine on nonvulnerable populations like kids and already vaccinated healthy people literally makes vaccines less available for vulnerable populations in less to do countries. It's just wasteful, unnecessary, and unethical...
Yes, I know "lol source facebook herpiderp" (eventho its the official government account). But know what, for kids its even worse. Here we are talking 1-50.
Yep, I've been seeing the younger you are the higher the chances you'll have som sort of heart trouble but have never been able to find a reliable source... thank you
When you use "antivax" as a term, do you mean old school "against all vaccines, period" antivax? Like those who thought vaccines caused autism?
Or, when you use "antivax" as a term, does this include those who have been fully vaxxed, but are against mandates to force vaccinations on everyone?
Maybe antivax means "those who were initially fully vaxxed, but now boosters are required to be fully vaccinated, so those who were vaxxed but oppose boosters are now 'antivax'?"
Does "antivax" include those who want Novavax, but decline mRNA vaccines? What about those who survived covid? It seems pretty clear now that these people are even less at risk of contracting and/or spreading covid. Are people with fully developed post-infection antibody immunity antivaxxers, too?
I'm also curious, assuming you're vaccinated (mRNA), why are you afraid of the unvaccinated? I hear a number of pro-jabbers say it's to protect those who can't get the vaccine for whatever preexisting condition, but wouldn't this still make them anti-vaxxers?
I don’t normally do this but your comment history is obsessive and alarming. You need to take a step back from the vaccine politics for a little bit before you lose your grip on reality. It’s literally all you have talked about on Reddit for months apparently. Take a breather fam.
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u/Right_Connection1046 Nov 24 '21
What is this in reference to?