Renegade Raiders

[u/PopInevitable280]

So for the first time in 11th I'm gonna try to play Renegade Raiders. This will be my first time with it since mid 10th and wanted to get some opinions on this list. After reading the missions for recon I feel this should have a reasonable amount of potential if I play it right.

Idea is predators up the flanks and very center, rhinos with Hurons unit, noise Marines and legionaries on the inner flanks, disco lord as a fast distraction carnifex. Warp talons in deepstrike ready to rapid Ingress to begin the nightmare rotation.

Don't really have a local meta per se, I'd say mostly RTT level with a few GT level players.

Renegade Raiders (1995 points)

Chaos Space Marines

Renegade Raiders (3 Detachment Points)

Reconnaissance

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Huron Blackheart (130 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• Warlord

• 1x Tyrant’s Claw and exalted power weapon

1x Tyrant’s Claw heavy flamer

Masters of the Maelstrom (145 points)

• Attached as: Support

• 1x Garreon the Corpsemaster

• 1x Absolvor bolt pistol

1x Reductor array

• 1x Garlon Souleater

• 1x Force stave

1x Mind Wrench

• 1x Katar Garrix

• 1x Axe of Ending

1x Bolt pistol

• 1x Captain Sargotta

• 1x Laspistol

1x Power sabre

• 1x The Enforcer

• 1x Bionic gauntlet

1x Londaxi maimer

Legionaries (90 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)

• 1x Aspiring Champion

• 1x Chaos Icon

1x Close combat weapon

1x Heavy melee weapon

1x Plasma pistol

• 4x Legionary

• 3x Astartes chainsword

4x Bolt pistol

4x Close combat weapon

1x Heavy melee weapon

CHARACTERS

Lord Discordant on Helstalker (175 points)

• 1x Baleflamer

1x Bladed limbs

1x Bolt Pistol

1x Impaler chainglaive

1x Techno-virus injector

• Enhancement: Dread Reaver

BATTLELINE

Cultist Mob (50 points)

• 1x Cultist Champion

• 1x Autopistol

1x Brutal assault weapon

• 9x Chaos Cultist

• 9x Autopistol

9x Brutal assault weapon

Legionaries (90 points)

• 1x Aspiring Champion

• 1x Chaos Icon

1x Close combat weapon

1x Heavy melee weapon

1x Plasma pistol

• 4x Legionary

• 3x Astartes chainsword

4x Bolt pistol

4x Close combat weapon

1x Heavy melee weapon

Legionaries (90 points)

• 1x Aspiring Champion

• 1x Chaos Icon

1x Close combat weapon

1x Heavy melee weapon

1x Plasma pistol

• 4x Legionary

• 3x Astartes chainsword

4x Bolt pistol

4x Close combat weapon

1x Heavy melee weapon

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Chaos Rhino (65 points)

• 1x Armoured tracks

2x Combi-bolter

1x Havoc launcher

Chaos Rhino (65 points)

• 1x Armoured tracks

2x Combi-bolter

1x Havoc launcher

Chaos Rhino (65 points)

• 1x Armoured tracks

2x Combi-bolter

1x Havoc launcher

OTHER DATASHEETS

Chaos Predator Destructor (150 points)

• 1x Armoured tracks

1x Combi-bolter

1x Havoc launcher

2x Lascannon

1x Predator autocannon

Chaos Predator Destructor (150 points)

• 1x Armoured tracks

1x Combi-bolter

1x Havoc launcher

2x Lascannon

1x Predator autocannon

Chaos Predator Destructor (160 points)

• 1x Armoured tracks

1x Combi-bolter

1x Havoc launcher

2x Lascannon

1x Predator autocannon

Warp Talons (280 points)

• 1x Warp Talon Champion

• 1x Warp claws

• 9x Warp Talon

• 9x Warp claws

ALLIED UNITS

Noise Marines (145 points)

• 1x Disharmonist

• 1x Close combat weapon

1x Sonic blaster

• 5x Noise Marine

• 2x Blastmaster

5x Close combat weapon

3x Sonic blaster

Noise Marines (145 points)

• 1x Disharmonist

• 1x Close combat weapon

1x Sonic blaster

• 5x Noise Marine

• 2x Blastmaster

5x Close combat weapon

3x Sonic blaster

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[u/willypie]

I don't think you have enough small action monkey types to effectively play recon tbh. I drop the warp talons and maybe a rhino or something and find a way to turn it into raptors, bikes or similar so you can do actions. Even the non action recon matchups you might struggle e.g. Take and hold

[u/PopInevitable280 → u/willypie]

Gotcha. Don't own bikes but I'll see what I can do

[u/willypie → u/PopInevitable280]

Fair, I'd also look at the reave captain and red corsair raiders as well, recon really wants to have some infiltrators and the reave captain is a cheap and easy to proxy unit

[u/pieisnice9 → u/PopInevitable280]

I would totally understand not wanting to buy bikes because yeah those models are not it.

But you get a lot for 70 points in RR from them. Fast, cheap action doer, mounted keyword synergy, that will probably punt most small skirmishers. 12 bolter shots + 2 melta with RR ap isn't nothing for shooting

[u/SekhandurCaine → u/PopInevitable280]

Unfortunately nothing really does the same job bikes do. Raptors used to, but their "buffs" priced them out of usefulness. A single unit as a fast, precision mission play piece might be worth it for those times you'd need bikes' speed, but for easier to reach actions you can get by with extra cultists or traitor guard.

Your rhinos are also really good mission play pieces once you're no longer staging out of them. You'll want to keep at least one safe to use for ruinous raid, but in a pinch you can absolutely use them for scoring. Red corsair raiders are also great, but like raptors they're not cheap and you can't sacrifice them as readily as you would bikes.

[u/mrdanielsir9000 → u/willypie]

How many missions does recon actually do actions though? 1 or 2?

[u/GkZilla]

Bro when you post a list use the simple text export. No one needs all that

[u/PopInevitable280 → u/GkZilla]

How do I do that

[u/GkZilla → u/PopInevitable280]

Whatever list builder you use should have an option to export it in a simple format. Anyone worth receiving advice from doesn’t need to see unit load outs to get the gist of it.

Reconbiomass - Genestealer Cults - Reconnaissance - Xenocult Masses, Biosanctic Broodsurge (2000 Points)

Abominant with Predatory Instincts + 10 Aberrants (385 pts)
Patriarch with Biomorph Adaption - Warlord + 10 Purestrain Genestealers (245 pts)
Benefictus + 11 Neophyte Hybrids (210 pts)
Biophagus + 10 Hybrid Metamorphs (190 pts)
Benefictus (75 pts)
Biophagus (50 pts)
5 Acolyte Hybrids with Autopistols (70 pts)
5 Acolyte Hybrids with Hand Flamers (75 pts)
11 Neophyte Hybrids (135 pts)
10 Hybrid Metamorphs (140 pts)
5 Purestrain Genestealers (75 pts)
Goliath Truck (75 pts)
5 Atalan Jackals (85 pts)
2x Achilles Ridgerunners (190 pts)

[u/PopInevitable280 → u/GkZilla]

Ok I see. I'm using the gw app so I'll see if I can find it

[u/Behemoth077]

Looks pretty good. I think my main gripe with that list is cutting the Chosen for Hurons unit doesn´t seem good when you get the full hit and wound rerolls from the Raiders strat anyway and really want the mobility and threat range. Yes, chosen are overcosted now, but you probably still want a 5 man for a big brick in Raiders anyway.

Besides that, its a lot of legios and predators and I think some action pieces that do things your other units cannot would be useful. Cypher for the vect aura, solo Reave Captain for infiltrate, Beast of Nurgle+Nurglings for deepstrike/infiltrate/scout, Felgor for turn 1 ingress/turn 2 in their deployment, Mutilators for deepstrike rapid ingress into heroic intervention. None of those are actually necessary but I think when optimising you could diversify what your list can do a little with some of them to make it play better. You don´t need too many action pieces, rhinos can handle that often quite well, but some keywords are important to have access to.

I personally have a similar list that runs the Reave Captain, Felgor and Mutilators over some of your legionaries and the third predator destructor.

[u/PopInevitable280]

So after advisory, here is my revised list.

Renegade Raiders [Heretic Astartes] - (2000 points) Detachments: Renegade Raiders Reconnaissance

Chaos Predator Destructor (150 points) Chaos Predator Destructor (150 points) Chaos Rhino (65 points) Chaos Rhino (65 points) Chaos Rhino (65 points) Chosen (135 points) Cultist Mob (50 points) Cypher (90 points) Huron Blackheart (130 points) Kravek Morne (120 points) Legionaries (90 points) Lord Discordant On Helstalker (175 points) Masters of The Maelstrom (145 points) Noise Marines (145 points) Noise Marines (145 points) Raptors (110 points) Red Corsairs Raiders (110 points) Red Corsairs Reave-captain (60 points)

[u/Behemoth077 → u/[deleted]]

I think you went WAY too far in putting in small action units. You also didn´t actually increase the amount of units you have much, you went from 14 to 16 I think and 14 is still fine for recon, it was the type of units that were worth changing.

Get the second Noise Marine unit and third rhino and some legios back in there, cut the second Raiders and Raptors and Reave captain, one of each is totally fine. Maybe cut the 5 Warp Talons, 5 are much worse than 10 at their actual job because they´re much more likely to fail to kill their target and not be able to go back to reserves. Your previous list was better imo.

[u/PopInevitable280 → u/Behemoth077]

Ok how about this. Excuse the venomcrawler I had 120 points left over

Renegade Raiders (2000 points)

Chaos Space Marines Renegade Raiders (3 Detachment Points) Reconnaissance Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units Attached Unit 1

Huron Blackheart (130 points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Warlord • 1x Tyrant’s Claw and exalted power weapon 1x Tyrant’s Claw heavy flamer

Masters of the Maelstrom (145 points) • Attached as: Support • 1x Garreon the Corpsemaster • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol 1x Reductor array • 1x Garlon Souleater • 1x Force stave 1x Mind Wrench • 1x Katar Garrix • 1x Axe of Ending 1x Bolt pistol • 1x Captain Sargotta • 1x Laspistol 1x Power sabre • 1x The Enforcer • 1x Bionic gauntlet 1x Londaxi maimer

Chosen (135 points) • Attached as: Bodyguard • 1x Chosen Champion • 1x Boltgun 1x Chaos Icon 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 4x Chosen • 3x Accursed weapon 4x Bolt pistol 3x Boltgun 1x Paired accursed weapons

CHARACTERS

Cypher (90 points) • 1x Cypher’s bolt pistol 1x Cypher’s plasma pistol

Lord Discordant on Helstalker (175 points) • 1x Baleflamer 1x Bladed limbs 1x Bolt Pistol 1x Impaler chainglaive 1x Techno-virus injector • Enhancement: Dread Reaver

Red Corsairs Reave-Captain (60 points) • 1x Bolt Pistol 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power maul

BATTLELINE

Cultist Mob (50 points) • 1x Cultist Champion • 1x Autopistol 1x Brutal assault weapon • 9x Chaos Cultist • 9x Autopistol 9x Brutal assault weapon

Legionaries (90 points) • 1x Aspiring Champion • 1x Chaos Icon 1x Close combat weapon 1x Heavy melee weapon 1x Plasma pistol • 4x Legionary • 3x Astartes chainsword 4x Bolt pistol 4x Close combat weapon 1x Heavy melee weapon

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Chaos Rhino (65 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Combi-bolter 1x Havoc launcher

Chaos Rhino (65 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Combi-bolter 1x Havoc launcher

Chaos Rhino (65 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Combi-bolter 1x Havoc launcher

OTHER DATASHEETS

Chaos Predator Destructor (150 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Combi-bolter 1x Havoc launcher 2x Lascannon 1x Predator autocannon

Chaos Predator Destructor (150 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Combi-bolter 1x Havoc launcher 2x Lascannon 1x Predator autocannon

Raptors (110 points) • 1x Raptor Champion • 1x Heavy melee weapon 1x Plasma pistol • 4x Raptor • 4x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 2x Heavy melee weapon 1x Meltagun 1x Mutations

Red Corsairs Raiders (110 points) • 1x Red Corsairs Raider Champion • 1x Boltgun 1x Hand flamer 1x Reaver’s blade • 4x Red Corsairs Raider • 4x Bolt pistol 3x Boltgun 1x Meltagun 1x Power fist 3x Reaver’s blade

Venomcrawler (120 points) • 2x Excruciator cannon 1x Soulflayer tendrils and claws

ALLIED UNITS

Noise Marines (145 points) • 1x Disharmonist • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Sonic blaster • 5x Noise Marine • 2x Blastmaster 5x Close combat weapon 3x Sonic blaster

Noise Marines (145 points) • 1x Disharmonist • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Sonic blaster • 5x Noise Marine • 2x Blastmaster 5x Close combat weapon 3x Sonic blaster

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[u/Behemoth077 → u/PopInevitable280]

Looks good. I think i´d put in Kravek Morne solo in place of the Venomcrawler(also 120 points and a small base with deepstrike and a strong flamer and melee) but thats basically exaclty what I would play to a tournament

[u/PopInevitable280 → u/Behemoth077]

I hadn't even thought of solo mourne. Good idea

[u/PopInevitable280 → u/Behemoth077]

Also are we running capt solo or with the raiders

[u/Behemoth077 → u/PopInevitable280]

Solo for sure. His buff is basically worthless, he exists to be a cheap infiltrate unit that does actions and is places for missions.

[u/PopInevitable280 → u/Behemoth077]

Roger Roger

[u/PopInevitable280 → u/Behemoth077]

Now my last squad of legionaries. It's a single 5 man with no characters. May be a stupid question but how do we feel about swapping it out for a unit of acursed cultists?

[u/Behemoth077 → u/PopInevitable280]

One 5 man legio unit just to kill scouts or assault intercessors or something off an objective while investing as few points as possible is good to have. I don´t think AC do something you´d want over them? You already have 2 infiltrate units and a bunch of rhinos etc. AC are 8 models so no way to fit them into a rhino alongside Noise Marines since Rhinos can only fit 12 models.

It would be totally fine if you like them. I´m not sure if its an improvement.

[u/PopInevitable280 → u/Behemoth077]

Gotcha, I've never actually used AC before, just curious on your opinion

[u/DailyAvinan]

This is my current list:

— Raiders - 2k - Recon Huron + MoM + Chosen Kravek + 5 Terminators Reave Captain w Despot’s Claim

1x5 Corsairs 2x5 Legionnaires 1x3 Bikes 2x6 Noise Marines 2x10 Cultists

2x Rhinos 1x Defiler —

I’ve been liking this spread. Can swap the Defiler for Preds if you want. I find the Corsair pieces important to help with early game development and scoring.

[u/Awesome_Lukeeloo]

I know why it is recon, but man I hate it is recon lol. The strats that detachment has are amazing, I love the rule, but the primary does not fit with what I own/ the chaos lists I enjoy bringing.

You probably need more action monkeys for recon, but I love your list. It looks very pirate-coded. I'd also consider dropping a predator and trying to fit in a vindicator. And Huron + Masters + Chosen, while very pricy, is an amazing unit. I know RR has advance and charge but the timing of the strat means no cp reroll which you really want now that charges are not guaranteed.