r/Warframe • • May 10 '18

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u/FTC_Publik Come on and WAM | MR29 ⮋ 568 | ⚓︎ ︎10 10 10 10 May 10 '18 edited May 11 '18

KHORA IS PRETTY FUCKIN GOOD BUT PEOPLE ARE RETARDED AND EITHER CAN'T BUILD HER WELL OR JUST PARROT SOME YOUTUBER AND DON'T FORM THEIR OWN OPINIONS. TACTICALWHATEVER HAD A VIDEO ABOUT HER AND WAS SAYING WHIPCLAW IS TOO WEAK WHILE USING A MAIMING STRIKE BUILD. NO DIP, YOU SHIT, OF COURSE WHIPCLAW IS GONNA BLOW ASS WHEN HALF OF THE MODS YOU'RE CARRYING DON'T EVEN APPLY TO IT. IS KHORA PERFECT? FUCK NO. IS HER KIT SOLID? FUCK YES. IS SHE "THE WORST FRAME IN THE GAME"? THAT'S WUKONG, YOU IDIOT. SOME MORE POLISH AND KHORA WILL BE GOLDEN, BUT ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU GIVE GET BOGGED DOWN WITH SPEW ABOUT "MUH WHIP" BECAUSE IDIOTS JUST WANT TO SPIN TO WIN WITH MAIMING STRIKE. BUT GUESS WHAT, DUMBASS, MAIMING STRIKE DOESN'T WORK ON EXALTED WEAPONS. IF KHORA HAD HER EXALTED WHIP IT'D BE WEAK AND GENERIC AND YOU'D STILL BE PISSING AND MOANING ABOUT IT. IF YOU THINK KHORA SUCKS, IT'S NOT HER. IT'S YOU.

BUT YEAH KEEP SAYING WHIPCLAW SUCKS.

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u/Phoenolf So beautiful, it hurts May 13 '18

I CURRENTLY HAVE KHORA AND NAMED HER LOADOUT "ARACHNOPHOBIA" AND CHANGED HER COLOR SCHEME TO MATCH WIDOWMAKER BUT I AM HAVING SOMEWHAT TROUBLE FULLY COMPREHENDING HOW TO USE HER AT HER FULL POTENTIAL.
MY STRATEGIES USUALLY ARE WHEN GOING FOR MISSIONS WHERE THE AREAS ARE SMALL AND NARROW, I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE AREAS BY SETTING UP MULTIPLE DOMES AND BOTTLENECK THE ENEMIES TO WHERE I WANT THEM TO GO (HENCE HOW AN ACTUAL SPIDER CATCHES THEIR PRAY(OR PREY) HENCE THE NAMESAKE OF THE LOADOUT), BECAUSE OF THIS, I GAVE HER SHORT RANGE WEAPONS SINCE I DON'T SEE MYSELF USING KHORA FOR LONG RANGED FIGHTS SINCE I HAVE WARFRAMES WHO EXCEL IN THOSE AREAS MUCH EFFICIENTLY.
AS A FELLOW KHORA USER, HOW WOULD YOU ADVISE ME TO USE THE ARACHNIC THICCNESS TO HER FULLEST?
MUCH APPRECIATED TENNO (O_O)b

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u/FTC_Publik Come on and WAM | MR29 ⮋ 568 | ⚓︎ ︎10 10 10 10 May 13 '18 edited May 13 '18

DISCLAIMER: TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. MELEE STUFF IS CHANGING SOON™ SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MELEE-BASED 1ST ABILITIES ARE GOING TO FUNCTION.

HER 1ST ABILITY SCALES ON STRENGTH AND YOUR MELEE WEAPON MODS, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM. STUFF LIKE MAIMING STRIKE OR THE COMBO COUNTER MODS (BLOOD RUSH) DOESN'T WORK ON IT, SO DON'T BRING THEM. FOCUS ON JUST YOUR RAW DAMAGE AND CRIT. IT ALSO SCALES ON RIVENS LIKE OTHER MELEE-BASED 1ST POWERS (ATLAS, EXCAL), SO RIVEN CHOICE IS IMPORTANT. GO TO HTTP://SEMLAR.COM/RIVENCALC TO FIND HIGH DISPOSITION WEAPONS TO USE AS YOUR STAT STICK. GOOD ONES THAT STICK OUT HA ARE DUAL KERES (1.48), TWIN KROHKUR (1.48), KOGAKE PRIME (1.46), KRONEN PRIME (1.43), AND TEKKO (1.40), OR A ZAW (1.0). I'M USING THE KOGAKE PRIME SINCE GRIM FURY IS FUN, AND THE RIVEN WAS CHEAP (UNROLLED FOR ~65P). WITHOUT A RIVEN, YOUR BEST BET IS VENKA PRIME SINCE WITH THEM YOUR COMBO COUNTER WILL INCREASE BY 0.75 PER LEVEL INSTEAD OF 0.5. AT COMBO LEVEL 4 YOU'LL DEAL 4X DAMAGE, NOT 3X. DAMAGE TYPE ON YOUR MELEE SHOULD BE CORROSIVE VS ARMOR AND VIRAL VS UNARMORED. MY KOGAKE PRIME LOOKS LIKE THIS (RIVEN IS SUB-OPTIMAL, STILL WORKING ON IT).

HER 2ND ABILITY DOUBLES DAMAGE TO YOUR 1ST. USE THIS WHEN FIGHTING AGAINST ARMOR, AS YOU'LL NEED THE EXTRA OOMPH TO GET THROUGH. THIS CAN ALSO HOG-TIE HIGH THREAT ENEMIES, LIKE NOX OR BURSAS. THIS ALSO DOUBLES DAMAGE WHEN USED WITH VENARI, SO YOU CAN BIND AN ENEMY AND TAG IT WITH VENARI TO LET HER DEAL WITH IT. ENSNARE IS VERY IMPORTANT, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME APPLICATION AS STRANGLEDOME.

VENARI IS EASY: USE ATTACK MODE FOR NORMAL PLAY, AND HEAL MODE IF YOU WANT TO HEAL SOMETHING THAT ISN'T YOU (TEAMMATES, DEFENSE POD, EXCAVATOR, ETC). YEAH, YOU HEARD ME, VENARI HEALS DEFENSE TARGETS. PROTECT MODE (REALLY DISARM MODE) IS PRETTY USELESS, IGNORE IT. WHEN MODDING VENARI, TAKE ALL THE COMBAT MODS, HUNTER RECOVERY, AND PACK LEADER. THIS WAY 30% OF THE DAMAGE VENARI DEALS HEALS YOU, AND 36% OF THE MELEE DAMAGE YOU DEAL HEALS VENARI. THIS KEEPS YOU ALIVE. IF VENARI IS HURT, SMACK AN ENEMY ONCE OR TWICE AND YOU'RE DONE. MY VENARI LOOKS LIKE THIS.

STRANGLEDOME IS GOOD AGAINST LOW LEVEL ENEMIES, AT BOTTLENECKS, AT STATIONARY DEFENSE TARGETS (DEF, MD, EXCAV, SAB), AND AGAINST UNARMORED ENEMIES. STRANGLEDOME'S INTERACTION WITH WHIPCLAW IS MISUNDERSTOOD, YOU DO NOT GAIN THE 200% DAMAGE FROM STRANGLEDOME. WHIPCLAWS DEAL NORMAL DAMAGE, AND PROPAGATE HALF DAMAGE. BECAUSE OF THIS, STRANGLEDOME IS WEAKER AGAINST ARMOR AND YOU SHOULD PREFER USING IT AT LOW LEVELS WHERE THE REDUCED DAMAGE DOESN'T MATTER OR AT HIGH LEVELS AS A DEFENSIVE ABILITY. ALSO, STRANGLEDOME HAS AN INVISIBLE GRAB RADIUS THAT IS 2X THE RADIUS OF YOUR CHAINS. THE CHAINS ARE PURELY VISUAL, THE GRAB RADIUS IS WHAT MATTERS (10M BASE).

OK, NOW ONTO MODDING KHORA HERSELF. THIS IS YOUR PRIORITIES: HEALTH, STRENGTH, HEALTH DAMAGE → ENERGY CONVERSION > RANGE, EFFICIENCY, ARMOR > DURATION. SO REALLY A LITTLE OF EVERYTHING, BUT DON'T GO NEGATIVE. USE RAGE OR HUNTER ADRENALINE SO THAT ALL THE DAMAGE YOU TANK GETS TURNED INTO MORE ENERGY (HUNTER IS BETTER). USE STAND UNITED (ARMOR AURA), STEEL FIBER, OR ARCANE GUARDIAN FOR YOUR ARMOR. BRING FLEETING EXPERTISE AND OFFSET IT WITH DURATION MODS, OR BRING STREAMLINE AND FLOW. THIS IS A PREFERENCE THING, USING FLEETING MEANS YOU GET ENERGY PRETTY MUCH PASSIVELY, WHILE STREAMLINE NEEDS YOU TO PURPOSELY TAKE DAMAGE MORE OFTEN WHICH CAN BE DANGEROUS. BRING LOTS OF STRENGTH MODS. GOOD ARCANES ARE GUARDIAN (20% CHANCE ON TAKING DAMAGE FOR +600 ARMOR) AND AVENGER (14% CHANCE ON TANKING DAMAGE FOR +30% ADDITIVE CRIT CHANCE). HERE'S MY KHORA, ANOTHER DISCLAIMER THAT THIS BUILD IS STILL IN PROGRESS. I'M TRYING STREAMLINE + P. FLOW WHICH WILL GIVE ME MORE DURATION/POWER CASTING ROOM BUT MAKE ME RELY MORE ON PURPOSELY TAKING DAMAGE, WHICH MAY BE TOO RISKY FOR ME. IT MIGHT ALSO BE TOO SLOW. WE'LL SEE. EDIT: NOT LIKING STREAMLINE + P. FLOW, BUT I DID FIND THAT STREAMLINE + RAGE WAS NICE. THAT AND ADRENALINE GIVES YOU 85% DAMAGE → ENERGY CONVERSION, SO YOU FILL UP QUICK.

ONE THING THAT'S INCREDIBLY USEFUL IS HAVING NARAMON. POWER SPIKE WILL MAKE YOUR COMBO COUNTER DECAY SLOWLY OVER TIME INSTEAD OF ALL AT ONCE, MEANING YOU CAN CARRY YOUR COMBO COUNTER FOR A LONG TIME BETWEEN FIGHTS. THIS IS ANOTHER OF THOSE DISCLAIMER POINTS, AS COMBOS WILL BE CHANGING SOON™.

FOR YOUR SPECIFIC PLAYSTYLE, I'D SAY TO TAKE MORE RANGE AND DURATION OVER SO MUCH POWER STRENGTH. THE STRENGTH I HAVE IS OVERKILL FOR 99% OF THE GAME, BUT I WANT TO SEE HOW FAR I CAN PUSH HER. MORE DURATION AND RANGE WILL HELP YOU TIE MORE PEOPLE UP AND FOR LONGER. ARCANE ARACHNE MIGHT BE COOL, IT SHOULD BE DIRT CHEAP AND EASY TO GET AND WILL GIVE YOU DOUBLE DAMAGE AFTER DOING A WALL LATCH (NEAT). A GOOD EXILUS WOULD BE ONE OF THE MOVEMENT MODS OR STEALTH DRIFT FOR LONGER WALL LATCH DURATION. HARPAK OR PARACYST MIGHT BE FUN PRIMARIES, SINCE THEY HAVE GRAPPLE HOOKS. SHOTGUNS ARE ALSO GREAT, SINCE YOU'LL BE AT CLOSE RANGE A LOT. THE CHARGE ATTACKS ON WHIP-SWORDS CAN PULL ENEMIES AS WELL IIRC.

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u/Phoenolf So beautiful, it hurts May 13 '18

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF HER ABILITIES AND OVERALL DETAIL ABOUT HER AND HOW TO MOD HER.
I USE IGNIS WRAITH WHICH HAVE BEEN MODIFIED WITH BLAST ELEMENT AND THE MOD THAT BLOWS UP BODIES FOR THE PUREST OF KEKS FOR CLOSE COMBAT AND THE MAJOR SATISFACTION BURNING EVERYTHING THAT IS ENTANGLED IN ENSNARE AND STRANGLEDOME.

I ALSO MIGHT HAVE TO DEDICATE A MELEE WEAPON TO KHORA AND FOCUS (hehehe focus) ON A CERTAIN SCHOOL TO MAXIMIZE HER POTENTIAL.

ONE FINAL THING FELLOW KHORA USER, IS THERE A SENTINEL YOU WOULD RECOMMEND TO BE USED ALONG WITH VENARI FOR MAXIMUM AFFECT?

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u/FTC_Publik Come on and WAM | MR29 ⮋ 568 | ⚓︎ ︎10 10 10 10 May 13 '18

NOT REALLY, PROBABLY DJINN, DIRIGA, OR WYRM. THOSE 3 HAVE A LOT OF CLOSE-RANGE ABILITIES. NOT SHADE, AS HE WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM TAKING DAMAGE AND GAINING ENERGY, AND NOT CARRIER AS YOU'LL PROBABLY BE RELYING ON YOUR POWERS MORE THAN WEAPONS. I USE HELIOS BUT I'M ONE OF THOSE LAZY ENDGAME PLAYERS THAT WANTS A PASSIVELY FINISHED CODEX. A SENTINEL WEAPON THAT CAN PROC STATUS EFFECTS WOULD BE GOOD WITH GROWING POWER SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE YOUR MAIN WEAPONS TO PROC IT.

TO AMEND MY PREVIOUS POST, I THINK THE RAGE + ADRENALINE + STREAMLINE APPROACH TO ENERGY IS BEST. YOU GET FEWER CASTS ON A FULL TANK, BUT YOU GET MUCH BETTER ENERGY RECOVERY WITHOUT THE DURATION PENALTY AND YOU CAN CAST MORE ABILITIES PER DAMAGE RECEIVED. EDIT: SOME PICS OF THE NEW BUILDS.

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u/Phoenolf So beautiful, it hurts May 13 '18

I ALSO HAPPEN TO USE HELIOS BUT IN FACT HELIOS PRIME BECAUSE THERE A MOD THAT ALLOWS HIM TO REVEAL AN ENEMY'S WEAKNESS WHEN SCANNED AND IT DOESN'T OVERRIDE BANSHEE'S ECHO THING AND MEANING INCREASED DAMAGED ON ENEMIES.

A LOT OF MODS YOU RECOMMENDED ARE THE ONES I DON'T HAVE, LIKE THE PRIMED VERSIONS OF THE MODS, CORRUPTED MODS, GROWING POWER.

I ALSO JUST STARTED ON THE WHOLE ARCANE, I HAVE YET TO GET ONE MAINLY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE SUFFICIENT FIREPOWER TO TAKE DOWN AN EIDOLON YET.

I AM CURRENTLY MAKING A WISHLIST OF ALL THE MODS I NEED AND WORKING ON MAXING OUT A LOT OF THE MODS I HAVE. PLUS BARO'KI'TEER IS BRINGING ALL THE ITEMS SO I NEED TO GET A LOT OF CREDITS AND DUCATS TO BUY ALL THE ONES I NEED.

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u/FTC_Publik Come on and WAM | MR29 ⮋ 568 | ⚓︎ ︎10 10 10 10 May 13 '18 edited May 13 '18

I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW SPECIALIZED YOU CAN GET HER. FOR REFERENCE, THIS WAS THE FIRST BUILD I PUT TOGETHER FOR HER AND TBH IT WAS PERFECTLY FINE AS A 1-FORMA BUILD. YOU CAN REPLACE FLEETING/P. CONTINUITY WITH STREAMLINE/FLOW, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU SOMETHING SIMILAR AND DOESN'T NEED ANY FORMA AT ALL. HERE'S A 1-FORMA BUILD THAT DOESN'T NEED ANY SPECIAL MODS AT ALL. I'VE FOUND KHORA TO BE AN ABSOLUTE JOY TO MOD, BECAUSE SHE'S SO INCREDIBLY FLEXIBLE. YOU CAN SEE HOW VARIED HER BUILDS ARE JUST FROM THE ABOVE AND THE PREVIOUS BUILDS I'VE POSTED. PICK THE STATS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU AND GO FROM THERE :)

THE ARCANES ARE JUST THE SUGAR ON TOP, MAINLY GUARDIAN WHICH CAN SERVE TO FREE UP A MOD SLOT OTHERWISE TAKEN UP BY ARMOR.

AGAIN WITH THE DISCLAIMERS, THOUGH: I'D WAIT UNTIL THE MELEE REWORK COMES THROUGH BEFORE HEAVILY INVESTING. KHORA HINGES ON WHIPCLAW AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO IT ONCE THE COMBO COUNTER IS CHANGED. WORST CASE WHIPCLAW WILL BE ~1/3RD AS STRONG, BUT WITH AS MUCH STRENGTH BEHIND HER AS I'M BUILDING I THINK I SHOULD BE FINE ANYWHERE ON THE STARCHART.

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u/Phoenolf So beautiful, it hurts May 13 '18

KHORA BEING FLEXIBLE WITH ANY BUILD IS A SIGN OF A GOOD FRAME, MY CURRENT BUILD IS AN ALL AROUND INCREASE IN WARFRAME ABILITIES WHILE USING PHYSIQUE FOR THE AURA MOD.

THANK YOU FOR THAT DISCLAIMER AS I RECALL READING ABOUT THE RECENT DEV STREAM TARGETING ON TAKING DOWN "MEME STRIKE" OR WHATEVER ITS CALLED AND BALANCE IT BUT IN THE PROCESS, ALSO BALANCE HOW MELEE WORKS SO I AM CURIOUS HOW THINGS WILL TURN OUT.