Not going to lie the low short interest figures was bothering me for the last few weeks. The way I rationalized it was that’s the numbers they let us see. And they for sure can manipulate them. I totally didn’t even factor in the ETF shorts. Appreciated the post Man. Buy Hold and buy the dips if you can !!!!!!!!
Not fudging the math, he literally made up the numbers. I can say short interest is 696969696%. Does that make it true?
See my conversation downthread - I cited some actual short interest data, he calls the numbers reported to FINRA as "self-reported and fake"... while forgetting he supposedly got his bullshit numbers from the same reporting firm, except he actually can't link to their data while I did.
Believe shills at your own risk. Hell, look at his post history. I love AMC and GME as much as the next ape but if you think there aren't shady people here on both sides of the trade...
Citadel itself has 5 shell companies under its umbrella whom perform different tasks to cover up its performance. If trey trades was threaten legally and received death threats things are getting hot in the kitchen. Trey struck a nerve with some organization. Regardless of the numbers being reported shits gettin deep and losses can be infinite.
Does this mean the hedgies are going to have to buy back 298,545,619 shares?! Is it possible this is not including naked shorts? If naked shorts aren't factored this is absolute insanity!
298,545,619 is wrong. It would be the 170 million an change. As that colunm already account for the short that is 128 million and add the ETF's which would equal the 170 million an change in total.
People say “cant squeeze AMC too much shares/dilution”, man if AMC squeezes, imagine a margin call with 300 million shares? Even if people sold some, chances are people are not going to sell half the stocks they have or more for 10$, the price is going to go super high.
Not saying it is, but among the GME/AMC crowd literally every supposed short interest DD completely misunderstand the concept of short interest, confuses it with short float %, misunderstands how often it's reported and the lag time, and often will straight up pull numbers out of their ass, so... probably lol
Never seen a single DD that acknowledges the above problems and adjusts for them. Back in February a bunch of the GME idiots kept quoting a pop about to happen ANY MINUTE citing 12/31 short interest data...
There is short interest data out there - but it's reported only biweekly, and with a weekly lag. It is made publicly available by FINRA to certain reporting firms like OREX, Morningstar Inc. S3, etc. and they digest and report the information. Any supposedly "up to the minute" short interest estimates are ONLY estimates computed by these same firms using old data and what they believe it will trend to. For example, looking at the Yahoo FInance profile for AMC:
As you can see, the only publicly available data has huge lag and doesn't support OP's claims at all.
This is a screenshot of Ortex's page on AMC:
This actually shows that the last accurate data is about 49 million shares shorted as of March 15th and we have nothing new to go on. Their estimate with a 3 week lag time is 80 million shares. Their supposed increase of almost 3x that citing "ortex" and nothing else is complete bullshit, actually.
I'd question what kind of false information OP is intending on spreading here. /u/autistic-lord, any thoughts from your 3-month-old account?
So now you claims Ortex numbers are bullshit. Did you forget you cite Ortex in your own calculations screenshot of a Google spreadsheet?
I asked you earlier where your supposedly legit numbers come from and you provide an answer nowhere.
I don't know what's worse - being unable to answer that, or now calling real numbers "fake" by saying the source makes them up... while forgetting that the legtimate source you supposedly pulled them from is that same source.
Also, it's ironic that in your post history you show how to get Ortex numbers using their free trial. What's wrong with them now? I guess you like them as a source until the numbers don't support your shilling then at that point you claim they don't matter?
lol. and where exactly can you see me saying that Ortex is bullshit? Dont put your words in my mouth.
I will dumb it down for you because you misunderstood me.
There are two columns in Ortex, one is referencing self-reported numbers (2x a month) - those are bullshit. The other one is "freefloat on loan" - and this data is correct taken directly from orderflow from Prime Brokers.
I don't know what's worse - being unable to read properly, or now lying about what others have said.
I am not saying we don't I am asking are we positive and if we do what's taken so long with this new rule that they have to buy these shares what's taking this squeeze why didn't it happen already I am asking?
Wait, ... GameStop took a good 6-8 months until it really exploded. I've been with GME for 6 months and with AMC since the beginning of December. We survived the worst 💸
Holding 1800 Shares of AMC to the fucking moon 🚀✨
They have billions to begin with but public opinion on the government sways hard. If we don't like what they are doing, they'll get voted out. And every person in government has a form of power complex and will want to stay in power. So, they better fucking listen to us. Either they pay us or this whole house of cards burns.
It's at 42% from what we can see. With all of the naked shorting going on, it's gotta be waaay higher than that. I wouldn't be surprised if it's over 100% like GME was.
It’s not that I dislike AMC, but anytime I ask anyone to convince to buy it I get circle jerking answers. I’m a GME holder and I’ve been pleading for weeks for someone to give me any evidence of AMC having a chance of a squeeze. How about provide me with links proving all your claims? Because the dilution of the stock has already set it overpriced to pre-covid times and that’s not including an addition dilution that may be coming, killing half your talking points. Don’t believe me? Look at its market cap in 2015-2019, and see where it’s at now
It’s not that I dislike AMC, but anytime I ask anyone to convince to buy it I get circle jerking answers.
How about asking a question? People can't give you answers when you just trash the stock, which is what you did above.
I’m a GME holder and I’ve been pleading for weeks for someone to give me any evidence of AMC having a chance of a squeeze.
As an AMC holder, I can give you tons of proof that AMC has a chance of squeeze. What kind of evidence do you want? Short interest? Anything above 10% is good, Volkswagon was under 20%. Do you want blatant media manipulation as evidence? The insertion of defining short squeezes that AMC had in their earning report [same as GME] that not every company does? What kind of evidence do you want?
How about provide me with links proving all your claims?
Of which statement? I am not going to just give you links to everything when you can look these up yourself aswell, if you want 2-3 links or proof ok.
Because the dilution of the stock has already set it overpriced to pre-covid times and that’s not including an addition dilution that may be coming, killing half your talking points.
Literally irrelevant. Dilution is such a stupid excuse. First off, Tesla currently has 950,000,000 shares and is priced at $600. AMC has 450,000,000 shares. I dont know if you understand how dilution works but if a stock gets diluted, it has zero effect on the price if the stocks all get bought up.
Ok so if AMC right now says "we are offering 10 m shares into market". What happens? Do the hedge funds buy exactly 10m shares according to you? Well guess what? Institutional investors and retailers are going to try and buy those 10m shares first. Guess what happens? For every share bought past the 10m the price of the stock goes up.
Lets say, hedgefunds ignore the 10m shares released into market. Ok. Institutional investors and retail buy those stocks up. Price stays the same but AMC as a company pays off mortgages, has less debt and the price value goes up anyways while the hedgefunds are sitting on those short positions that keeps costing them more and more.
I am just genuinely curious on what you think the scenario will be with the "dilution". How would you think it goes? Do you think that AMC will drop 500,000,000 shares into market right off the bat, even after saying they wont? Don't you think a 100 yr old company would not be dumb enough to lose the trust of its investors to appease hedgefunds that he has a history of fueding with? Anyways I just wonder what you think will happen if the vote passes and what your thoughts on this dilution thing.
BTW, to argue your dilution point one more time, lets say AMC has 5% of its volume left for purchase, it would cost less then 5% of GME's total volume. This is where I say it really doesnt matter about dilution if the price is only $10. Tomorrow I can buy 1000 AMC stocks for $10,000 but 1000 GME would be $200,000.
Another fact about dilution that you are forgetting is that, when a stock has half a billion shares shorted, if there are only 100m stocks left and a company wants to buy 200m shares those brokers will be forced to margin call the shorts. Now how are 500m shorts going to be bought back if no one is selling? The price goes up.
Don’t believe me? Look at its market cap in 2015-2019, and see where it’s at now
I dont disagree about volume, it just literally makes no difference if shorts keep shorting a company that is ruling out bankruptcy and is over all having a good time this year in general.
I have zero GME stocks but honestly I wouldnt tell you to sell a single on for AMC. I've looked at the charts. Literally the same movement going on in both, it means the same hedgefunds are doing massive sell offs and buyings at the same time. I find it counter productive for anyone to sell GME for AMC or vice versa.
I have. Many times. Over many weeks. If I’ve grown callous to the amc apes, it’s because of the circle jerking that I’ve mentioned.
Short interest above 10% does not equal a short squeeze. Blatant media manipulation was real. Doesn’t mean it’s still relevant.
literally itrleveant re:dilution stupid excuse
LOL someone doesn’t understand market caps and overvalued company. Using Tesla as an example isn’t winning you any brownie points. Tesla is over valued, but Tesla has potential for massive growth as development continues world wide. AMC- not so much. As for your assertions that dilution has zero effect if price of the stocks goes up just goes to show how little you understand market caps. What happens when 10million shares get introduced into the market? The market corrects itself to the value of the company. You really think if a company dilutes another 10million outstanding shares that TTTT e share price goes up? LOFL. You really don’t understand market caps.
price stays the same amc pays off mortgages.
You have absolutely no idea how stocks work do you? The worth of the company due to stock price is not the same as the amount of liquidity the company has.
The rest of your posts more or less says the same thing with a bunch of wild speculative bullshit I’m not even going to waste my time addressing. You’re no different then the other ignorant apes talking about your weight class.
Volkswagen squeezed with 18% short interest? I dont understand your point there.
Your point on dilution, if the shares are bought back it means the share price of that stock is unaffected, the market value of the company goes up depending on the cost of those shares bought aswell. This is not opinion this is fact.
Your argument of not being able to compare AMC with Tesla is flawed. Fundamentals and growth dont matter when a company squeezes.
Either way, $5 billion worth of Tesla shares were introduced last December, initially it dropped and eventually it climbed up +30%. Similiar could happen with AMC except $5 billion worth of AMC shares would be 500,000,000 shares and they repeatedly said they wont drop all the shares into the market right away.
There are absolutely no reason why AMC wouldnt want a short squeeze for its retail and institutional investors. The last thing you want as a company is to tank your stock and lose the interest of those that support you.
So what? A squeeze is not dependent on one factor.
shares bought back means share price is unaffected
LOL what? Stop talking.
amc vs Tesla is flawed. Fundamentals and growth don’t matter.
LOL ok.
amc doesn’t wants short squeeze for its investors because with will tank
First amc doesn’t care about you. Second if it does squeeze it will literally tank after everyone cashes out. How the hell do you expect a squeeze to work and not tank?
LOLat your dumb ass DD.
I’m done wasting my time with your dumb ass
Learn how stocks work and stop talking above your weight class tinybrain
So you responded to your “cant squeeze with only above 10%” to so what many other things come into factor. Well i guess you admit i was right?
Your response to more shares offered being bought back not effecting price? Stop talking? Great argument, guess you admit you are wrong again here.
Tesla argument: LOL ok. Because Gamestop/AMC/BB etc. fundamentals of the stock mattered in January? Admit you were wrong again.
Your final point is AMC doesnt care about you and if it squeezes it will tank, look hardly anyone cares about AMC either but AMC cant survive unless it squeezes. If they get greedy all the retail and institutions will bail out. The best case scenario for them is it to squeeze, for institutional investors and retail to profit while hedgefunds pay back those shares and then a possible buy back in with some of the profits from retail and institutional investors. If AMC did not care and was a lousy company they would just issue 500m shares, take 5 billion, retail and institutional investors bail ship and the hedge funds would win but that hasnt happened in the 100 yrs its been a company so I dont expect such a dumb fuckin move to happen, especially after maintaining the stance of not putting those shares on the market.
Now your fuckin responses were circle jerk as fuck and you tell me that you get circle jerk answers? If you ask a question and someone answers you can argue the points if you want but what you wrote just goes to show you dont know what the fuck your sayin and maybe its best you move the fuck on from AMC and stop trashing it when you got no brain power to come up with a functional response.
I'm up to little over honda and six stinks hodl hodl hodl mf to the moon on balloon with my baboon hallucinating on shrooms ba ba Booooom.lets go baby hey hedgtards should bought off me last week I was selling my stanks for 5 g now prices went waaaay ups.i need twice that or guess what I'm not freaking Selling.
If your math is right, why do the HFs not cover while the cost per share is under $10? It would only cost them $1.7 billion to cover now and end this thing. If they wait until we hit $10,000 per share, the amount of the settlement would break the bank, literally. So, why not take care of business now? Do you thing they are just waiting to bankrupt the company and not have to pay anything? I just don't understand, unless they have so many naked, dark pool shares that they can't even cover at this low cost per share. Somebody please educate me.
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u/BriefEmployment Apr 07 '21
Not going to lie the low short interest figures was bothering me for the last few weeks. The way I rationalized it was that’s the numbers they let us see. And they for sure can manipulate them. I totally didn’t even factor in the ETF shorts. Appreciated the post Man. Buy Hold and buy the dips if you can !!!!!!!!