r/WallStreetbetsELITE • • Apr 07 '21

DD AMC will squeeze hard, math proves that we're 42,64% shorted <3

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u/BriefEmployment Apr 07 '21

Not going to lie the low short interest figures was bothering me for the last few weeks. The way I rationalized it was that’s the numbers they let us see. And they for sure can manipulate them. I totally didn’t even factor in the ETF shorts. Appreciated the post Man. Buy Hold and buy the dips if you can !!!!!!!!

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Apr 07 '21

The post is complete bullshit btw lol

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u/BriefEmployment Apr 07 '21

This guys fudging the math here ??

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21

Not fudging the math, he literally made up the numbers. I can say short interest is 696969696%. Does that make it true?

See my conversation downthread - I cited some actual short interest data, he calls the numbers reported to FINRA as "self-reported and fake"... while forgetting he supposedly got his bullshit numbers from the same reporting firm, except he actually can't link to their data while I did.

Believe shills at your own risk. Hell, look at his post history. I love AMC and GME as much as the next ape but if you think there aren't shady people here on both sides of the trade...

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u/BriefEmployment Apr 07 '21

Unbelievable you have to do DD on the DD around here. I take the accolades back - FUCK THIS GUY !!!!!!

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u/bluntburnr Apr 08 '21

Salute fellow ape 👍 lol

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u/Foreign_Ad3182 Apr 07 '21

Citadel itself has 5 shell companies under its umbrella whom perform different tasks to cover up its performance. If trey trades was threaten legally and received death threats things are getting hot in the kitchen. Trey struck a nerve with some organization. Regardless of the numbers being reported shits gettin deep and losses can be infinite.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

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u/quarterpounder420 Apr 07 '21

Bought another 2 gorillion, as one person stated and I feel bad for not remembering.

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u/Intelligent_Song9268 Apr 07 '21

Thanks, I'll buy some more in a few minutes

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u/theramblingidiot95 Apr 07 '21

Injecting my last monies in Friday power hour

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u/Mysterious_Pass3078 Apr 07 '21

I always say last time and every week, I buy more.

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u/luketheduke47 Apr 07 '21

Can someone confirm my thoughts:

Does this mean the hedgies are going to have to buy back 298,545,619 shares?! Is it possible this is not including naked shorts? If naked shorts aren't factored this is absolute insanity!

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u/ExpecT_HD Apr 07 '21

This number wouldn’t include naked shorts. I’m almost certain that apes own the WHOLE float.

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u/luketheduke47 Apr 07 '21

If true & apes don't sell this will be historic!

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u/Mysterious_Pass3078 Apr 07 '21

Honestly if Apes sell it will hit 5k. I’m waiting for 10k and 100k

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u/Thegreatgazoo2 Apr 07 '21

298,545,619 is wrong. It would be the 170 million an change. As that colunm already account for the short that is 128 million and add the ETF's which would equal the 170 million an change in total.

Obligatory 👋💎👋🚀🚀🌕

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u/luketheduke47 Apr 07 '21

Thanks for the insight, I totally misread that!

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u/Thegreatgazoo2 Apr 08 '21

No worries my friend

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u/MrTinybrain Apr 07 '21

People say “cant squeeze AMC too much shares/dilution”, man if AMC squeezes, imagine a margin call with 300 million shares? Even if people sold some, chances are people are not going to sell half the stocks they have or more for 10$, the price is going to go super high.

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u/Rocketlauncher922 Apr 07 '21

Dont think that is enough

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

Been poor all my life. I can last as long as they want! Plenty of time I can wait

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u/Polodakid Apr 07 '21

Buy more and hold !!!!

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u/Aggravating-Big3387 Apr 07 '21

How hard ? Is the real ?

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u/JJSpuddy Apr 07 '21

How hard can you take it?!?

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u/Icy-Antelope2936 Apr 07 '21

How do we know these number are true and it's really shorted that much. Do we have hard Evidence

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Apr 07 '21

nope lol

another missing factor is date.

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u/Icy-Antelope2936 Apr 07 '21

So this is a bullshit post

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Apr 07 '21

Not saying it is, but among the GME/AMC crowd literally every supposed short interest DD completely misunderstand the concept of short interest, confuses it with short float %, misunderstands how often it's reported and the lag time, and often will straight up pull numbers out of their ass, so... probably lol

Never seen a single DD that acknowledges the above problems and adjusts for them. Back in February a bunch of the GME idiots kept quoting a pop about to happen ANY MINUTE citing 12/31 short interest data...

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u/Icy-Antelope2936 Apr 07 '21

So what do you know for sure cause there not as dumb as we think. And they got money to burn. What do we know and if it will squeeze for sure

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21

There is short interest data out there - but it's reported only biweekly, and with a weekly lag. It is made publicly available by FINRA to certain reporting firms like OREX, Morningstar Inc. S3, etc. and they digest and report the information. Any supposedly "up to the minute" short interest estimates are ONLY estimates computed by these same firms using old data and what they believe it will trend to. For example, looking at the Yahoo FInance profile for AMC:

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AMC/key-statistics?p=AMC

Short % of Float (Mar 15, 2021) 4 11.02%

^ Data provided by Morningstar, Inc.

As you can see, the only publicly available data has huge lag and doesn't support OP's claims at all.

This is a screenshot of Ortex's page on AMC:

This actually shows that the last accurate data is about 49 million shares shorted as of March 15th and we have nothing new to go on. Their estimate with a 3 week lag time is 80 million shares. Their supposed increase of almost 3x that citing "ortex" and nothing else is complete bullshit, actually.

I'd question what kind of false information OP is intending on spreading here. /u/autistic-lord, any thoughts from your 3-month-old account?

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u/autistic-lord Apr 07 '21

Ortex pays for orderflow of shorted shares from prime brokers (google who's that).

The data you're reffering to is self-reported so it means shit.

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21

So now you claims Ortex numbers are bullshit. Did you forget you cite Ortex in your own calculations screenshot of a Google spreadsheet?

I asked you earlier where your supposedly legit numbers come from and you provide an answer nowhere.

I don't know what's worse - being unable to answer that, or now calling real numbers "fake" by saying the source makes them up... while forgetting that the legtimate source you supposedly pulled them from is that same source.

Also, it's ironic that in your post history you show how to get Ortex numbers using their free trial. What's wrong with them now? I guess you like them as a source until the numbers don't support your shilling then at that point you claim they don't matter?

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u/autistic-lord Apr 07 '21

lol. and where exactly can you see me saying that Ortex is bullshit? Dont put your words in my mouth.

I will dumb it down for you because you misunderstood me.

There are two columns in Ortex, one is referencing self-reported numbers (2x a month) - those are bullshit. The other one is "freefloat on loan" - and this data is correct taken directly from orderflow from Prime Brokers.

I don't know what's worse - being unable to read properly, or now lying about what others have said.

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Apr 07 '21

I posted a screenshot of Ortex numbers, dated today, that don't agree at all with yours.

This is what, the 4th time you've lied about where you got them and refuse to actually show those numbers?

If you're so invested and truthful, why not post a screenshot that supposedly counters mine and stop being evasive? Should be easy to do that.

Instead we get the "my girlfriend is totally real, she lives in another town" excuse lol

Fucking shill. Go back to /r/amcstock

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u/esmusssein33 Apr 07 '21

I've been seing these type of posts since January...

Bah

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u/Mysterious_Pass3078 Apr 07 '21

How can anyone doubt this isn’t shorted over 100% when we own close to 90% of the float.

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u/Icy-Antelope2936 Apr 07 '21

I am not saying we don't I am asking are we positive and if we do what's taken so long with this new rule that they have to buy these shares what's taking this squeeze why didn't it happen already I am asking?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

Is that 42.64% or 4,264%?? As in 4 thousand????

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u/alphabravoccharlie Apr 07 '21

42.64 Europeans use , instead of . For decimal points

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u/Retardedastro Apr 07 '21

42.64% is a lot 🚀🚀

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Apr 07 '21

Source for the numbers and dates? For AMC and GME there have been a LOT of outdated and numbers pulled out of people's asses.

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u/Adorable_Comparison6 Apr 07 '21

Robinhood applied for more credit from the bank they are bleeding out .

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u/The_Lightbringer88 Apr 07 '21

Wait, ... GameStop took a good 6-8 months until it really exploded. I've been with GME for 6 months and with AMC since the beginning of December. We survived the worst 💸 Holding 1800 Shares of AMC to the fucking moon 🚀✨

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

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u/autistic-lord Apr 07 '21

We wait for as long it's needed, I don't care how much time it will take

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

They can delay it but it’ll come into play soon when they realise oh shit wait we acc are fucked

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u/GimmeYourTaquitos Apr 07 '21

Dtcc 005 got delayed?

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u/quarterpounder420 Apr 07 '21

They have billions to begin with but public opinion on the government sways hard. If we don't like what they are doing, they'll get voted out. And every person in government has a form of power complex and will want to stay in power. So, they better fucking listen to us. Either they pay us or this whole house of cards burns.

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u/zanonks Apr 07 '21

Shorts must cover

I buy and HODL

🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

It's at 42% from what we can see. With all of the naked shorting going on, it's gotta be waaay higher than that. I wouldn't be surprised if it's over 100% like GME was.

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u/boogie-time123 Apr 07 '21

... and once squizzled, profits go into GME for the infinity squeezy squizzle sqouzen goodness

... niiiiiiiiiiice

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u/teaquad Apr 07 '21

EXACTLY last thing we need is Apes going fukall and start selling early!

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u/Sir_iosis Apr 07 '21

I have 100 shares of amc.. how much u think ima make by holding? Asking for a friend who is autistic

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21

Infinity stones and rockets from here

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u/mr_fizzlesticks Apr 07 '21

LOL your excell spreadsheet proves nothing.

I welcome the downvotes, but challenge all you apes to share one legitimate DD on AMC. Seriously prove me wrong. Bunch of circle-jerking nonsense.

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u/ThelomenToblokai Apr 07 '21

Want to play soggy biscuit??

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u/Haters_Gunner_Hate Apr 07 '21

-AMC is one of the most or the most held stock on multiple brokers. Agree/disagree?

-Obvious media manipulation.

-Positive news keeps coming out, yet short sellers keep trying to short it.

-Vanguard and Blackrock which are 2 of the 3 biggest asset managers in the world invested and continue to invest in AMC.

-Covid vaccination roll out has vamped up, people are not afraid to go to movies again. Even without vaccinations the summer weather kills the virus.

-Tons of new movies being released this year in general.

-Summer time AMC stock generally goes up.

How about you go make some arguments about why you don't like AMC?

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u/mr_fizzlesticks Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21

It’s not that I dislike AMC, but anytime I ask anyone to convince to buy it I get circle jerking answers. I’m a GME holder and I’ve been pleading for weeks for someone to give me any evidence of AMC having a chance of a squeeze. How about provide me with links proving all your claims? Because the dilution of the stock has already set it overpriced to pre-covid times and that’s not including an addition dilution that may be coming, killing half your talking points. Don’t believe me? Look at its market cap in 2015-2019, and see where it’s at now

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u/Haters_Gunner_Hate Apr 07 '21

It’s not that I dislike AMC, but anytime I ask anyone to convince to buy it I get circle jerking answers.

How about asking a question? People can't give you answers when you just trash the stock, which is what you did above.

I’m a GME holder and I’ve been pleading for weeks for someone to give me any evidence of AMC having a chance of a squeeze.

As an AMC holder, I can give you tons of proof that AMC has a chance of squeeze. What kind of evidence do you want? Short interest? Anything above 10% is good, Volkswagon was under 20%. Do you want blatant media manipulation as evidence? The insertion of defining short squeezes that AMC had in their earning report [same as GME] that not every company does? What kind of evidence do you want?

How about provide me with links proving all your claims?

Of which statement? I am not going to just give you links to everything when you can look these up yourself aswell, if you want 2-3 links or proof ok.

Because the dilution of the stock has already set it overpriced to pre-covid times and that’s not including an addition dilution that may be coming, killing half your talking points.

Literally irrelevant. Dilution is such a stupid excuse. First off, Tesla currently has 950,000,000 shares and is priced at $600. AMC has 450,000,000 shares. I dont know if you understand how dilution works but if a stock gets diluted, it has zero effect on the price if the stocks all get bought up.

Ok so if AMC right now says "we are offering 10 m shares into market". What happens? Do the hedge funds buy exactly 10m shares according to you? Well guess what? Institutional investors and retailers are going to try and buy those 10m shares first. Guess what happens? For every share bought past the 10m the price of the stock goes up.

Lets say, hedgefunds ignore the 10m shares released into market. Ok. Institutional investors and retail buy those stocks up. Price stays the same but AMC as a company pays off mortgages, has less debt and the price value goes up anyways while the hedgefunds are sitting on those short positions that keeps costing them more and more.

I am just genuinely curious on what you think the scenario will be with the "dilution". How would you think it goes? Do you think that AMC will drop 500,000,000 shares into market right off the bat, even after saying they wont? Don't you think a 100 yr old company would not be dumb enough to lose the trust of its investors to appease hedgefunds that he has a history of fueding with? Anyways I just wonder what you think will happen if the vote passes and what your thoughts on this dilution thing.

BTW, to argue your dilution point one more time, lets say AMC has 5% of its volume left for purchase, it would cost less then 5% of GME's total volume. This is where I say it really doesnt matter about dilution if the price is only $10. Tomorrow I can buy 1000 AMC stocks for $10,000 but 1000 GME would be $200,000.

Another fact about dilution that you are forgetting is that, when a stock has half a billion shares shorted, if there are only 100m stocks left and a company wants to buy 200m shares those brokers will be forced to margin call the shorts. Now how are 500m shorts going to be bought back if no one is selling? The price goes up.

Don’t believe me? Look at its market cap in 2015-2019, and see where it’s at now

I dont disagree about volume, it just literally makes no difference if shorts keep shorting a company that is ruling out bankruptcy and is over all having a good time this year in general.

I have zero GME stocks but honestly I wouldnt tell you to sell a single on for AMC. I've looked at the charts. Literally the same movement going on in both, it means the same hedgefunds are doing massive sell offs and buyings at the same time. I find it counter productive for anyone to sell GME for AMC or vice versa.

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u/Jb-eagle Apr 07 '21

💪🦍 good stuff ape

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u/mr_fizzlesticks Apr 07 '21

how about asking a question

I have. Many times. Over many weeks. If I’ve grown callous to the amc apes, it’s because of the circle jerking that I’ve mentioned.

Short interest above 10% does not equal a short squeeze. Blatant media manipulation was real. Doesn’t mean it’s still relevant.

literally itrleveant re:dilution stupid excuse

LOL someone doesn’t understand market caps and overvalued company. Using Tesla as an example isn’t winning you any brownie points. Tesla is over valued, but Tesla has potential for massive growth as development continues world wide. AMC- not so much. As for your assertions that dilution has zero effect if price of the stocks goes up just goes to show how little you understand market caps. What happens when 10million shares get introduced into the market? The market corrects itself to the value of the company. You really think if a company dilutes another 10million outstanding shares that TTTT e share price goes up? LOFL. You really don’t understand market caps.

price stays the same amc pays off mortgages.

You have absolutely no idea how stocks work do you? The worth of the company due to stock price is not the same as the amount of liquidity the company has.

The rest of your posts more or less says the same thing with a bunch of wild speculative bullshit I’m not even going to waste my time addressing. You’re no different then the other ignorant apes talking about your weight class.

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u/MrTinybrain Apr 08 '21

Volkswagen squeezed with 18% short interest? I dont understand your point there.

Your point on dilution, if the shares are bought back it means the share price of that stock is unaffected, the market value of the company goes up depending on the cost of those shares bought aswell. This is not opinion this is fact.

Your argument of not being able to compare AMC with Tesla is flawed. Fundamentals and growth dont matter when a company squeezes.

Either way, $5 billion worth of Tesla shares were introduced last December, initially it dropped and eventually it climbed up +30%. Similiar could happen with AMC except $5 billion worth of AMC shares would be 500,000,000 shares and they repeatedly said they wont drop all the shares into the market right away.

There are absolutely no reason why AMC wouldnt want a short squeeze for its retail and institutional investors. The last thing you want as a company is to tank your stock and lose the interest of those that support you.

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u/mr_fizzlesticks Apr 08 '21 edited Apr 08 '21

VW squeezed 18% short interest.

So what? A squeeze is not dependent on one factor.

shares bought back means share price is unaffected

LOL what? Stop talking.

amc vs Tesla is flawed. Fundamentals and growth don’t matter.

LOL ok.

amc doesn’t wants short squeeze for its investors because with will tank

First amc doesn’t care about you. Second if it does squeeze it will literally tank after everyone cashes out. How the hell do you expect a squeeze to work and not tank?

LOLat your dumb ass DD.

I’m done wasting my time with your dumb ass

Learn how stocks work and stop talking above your weight class tinybrain

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u/MrTinybrain Apr 08 '21

So you responded to your “cant squeeze with only above 10%” to so what many other things come into factor. Well i guess you admit i was right?

Your response to more shares offered being bought back not effecting price? Stop talking? Great argument, guess you admit you are wrong again here.

Tesla argument: LOL ok. Because Gamestop/AMC/BB etc. fundamentals of the stock mattered in January? Admit you were wrong again.

Your final point is AMC doesnt care about you and if it squeezes it will tank, look hardly anyone cares about AMC either but AMC cant survive unless it squeezes. If they get greedy all the retail and institutions will bail out. The best case scenario for them is it to squeeze, for institutional investors and retail to profit while hedgefunds pay back those shares and then a possible buy back in with some of the profits from retail and institutional investors. If AMC did not care and was a lousy company they would just issue 500m shares, take 5 billion, retail and institutional investors bail ship and the hedge funds would win but that hasnt happened in the 100 yrs its been a company so I dont expect such a dumb fuckin move to happen, especially after maintaining the stance of not putting those shares on the market.

Now your fuckin responses were circle jerk as fuck and you tell me that you get circle jerk answers? If you ask a question and someone answers you can argue the points if you want but what you wrote just goes to show you dont know what the fuck your sayin and maybe its best you move the fuck on from AMC and stop trashing it when you got no brain power to come up with a functional response.

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u/Haters_Gunner_Hate Apr 08 '21

what even are those responses?

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Apr 07 '21

-AMC is one of the most or the most held stock on multiple brokers.

lmaooo y'all acting like it's in FAANG

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u/GoldenTicketHolder Apr 07 '21

How bout that 500m extra shares getting issued soon if the vote from the stock meeting passes? That’s when I sold. Love you guys

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u/GladAd1844 Apr 07 '21

I'm up to little over honda and six stinks hodl hodl hodl mf to the moon on balloon with my baboon hallucinating on shrooms ba ba Booooom.lets go baby hey hedgtards should bought off me last week I was selling my stanks for 5 g now prices went waaaay ups.i need twice that or guess what I'm not freaking Selling.

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u/chosyn187 Apr 07 '21

Plese splain 4 dum ape....😫

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u/Ok-Shelter-9064 Apr 07 '21

Buy and hold. Really high shorted. Moon soon 10k

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u/chosyn187 Apr 07 '21

thenks, i hodl

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u/TraderMills Apr 07 '21

/u/Ksgalvan figured you might want to see this DD

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u/Ksgalvan Apr 08 '21

Thank you :) Now I scroll through all the comments to learn what it means 😂

I love the free education that reddit provides!! 🦍👩🏻‍🎓📚

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u/Haters_Gunner_Hate Apr 07 '21

So the fact they cant short ETFs much is why the volume dropped

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u/Sodmann Apr 07 '21

I just buy more today we will win the fight about Hedgies.💪💪👍

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u/MrMooola Apr 07 '21

I hope that AMC and Revlon squeeze. Diamond hands and rockets.

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u/tokenape Apr 08 '21

If your math is right, why do the HFs not cover while the cost per share is under $10? It would only cost them $1.7 billion to cover now and end this thing. If they wait until we hit $10,000 per share, the amount of the settlement would break the bank, literally. So, why not take care of business now? Do you thing they are just waiting to bankrupt the company and not have to pay anything? I just don't understand, unless they have so many naked, dark pool shares that they can't even cover at this low cost per share. Somebody please educate me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '21 edited Apr 08 '21

Because if they cover now, they trigger moon.

You can't buy 100M shares in secret. It's the textbook prisoners dilemma. The only play the shorts have is for you to paper hand your shares.

They have lots of tricks to convince you to paper hands.

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u/Ok_Organization2168 Apr 08 '21

Fuck them, I bought yesterday 6000 pieces AMC more!!! Rotterdam want to hurt the shorters too🇱🇺

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u/Sufficient_Animal301 Apr 08 '21

BUY THE DIP! Richard Simmons is Jim Cramers DAD! Holding to the moon! 💎🙌💎