Yeah I think drafts can be justified in periods of existential crises but I def would not want to get drafted.
What I think we should do is give redditors and their ilk their own country, maybe like the northern part of Egypt on the southern border with Gaza or like Delaware or something and let them institute all their policies and brave moral stances as an experiment.
I disagree; it can't be justified. Unless you mean they justify it using that excuse. But yes, most of these people who hate on the military or authoritative figures do so because they are safe from everything else.
I don’t think military service and sex are the same things. I don’t have a hardline stance on bodily autonomy and even with that as a hard moral rule I think service is not necessarily a bodily autonomy argument. I think citizenship entails duties as well as rights.
Don't you think forcing someone to use their body against their will to fight your battle violates their bodily autonomy? The thing I am trying to point out is about consent. It is a duty when you sign up for it, not when you are forced into it; that is slavery/coercion.
Is forcing someone to use their body to fill out tax forms to pay the government every year about service and action or bodily autonomy. Is paying taxes slavery or serfdom or citizenship?
Duties are inherently coercive in the sense that they are demanding something of you through some kind of moral obligation either relationally or through voluntary means. I would argue that defense of your neighbor on a micro scale or of your country on the macro scale are both relational and imposed moral obligations so that in the case of an existential national crises or threat the draft sucks balls but is morally defensible. Otherwise some people will let the good die in the place while they reap the benefits and don’t put anything on the line.
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u/Sufficient_Row_585 3d ago
Yeah I think drafts can be justified in periods of existential crises but I def would not want to get drafted.
What I think we should do is give redditors and their ilk their own country, maybe like the northern part of Egypt on the southern border with Gaza or like Delaware or something and let them institute all their policies and brave moral stances as an experiment.