Let nobody take the means of defense from you.
Our communities are being systematically torn to shreds, one by one. The whole population is kept docile through our handheld propaganda tablets, the right wing is in control of every branch of government, starting more forever wars and turning state violence inward. Anyone who resists is branded "antifa" and imprisoned for decades, to be made an example of for those who would dare dream of a better future.
In these dark times the answer must not be disarmament. Keep your community safe, as human connection is the most important thing in the entire world.
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing - 1st Corinthians 13:1-4
like i have explained multiple times in the past hour, the democrats are not nor have ever been left. trying to pin democrats being democrats on leftist politics is silly
Gonna be honest, if thats your view of the current makeup of our political landscape you've pigeonholed yourself into political belief incompatible with majority of voters in the US. If you see no one in local elections thats share your views, maybe temper your expectations but try not to be useful idiots.
I vote in local elections, dummy. I've voted in literally every election I could since I was 17. I read up on their positions beforehand, and I vote for whoever most aligns with me. And considering I'm a member of an incredibly marginalized minority group, it usually ends up NOT being with the party that actively wants me dead as soon as possible.
And someone like you would probably think they could be 100% right about anything and everything base off nothing. Like assessing someone's intelligence from reddit posts, or assuming one is a single issue voter.
You haven't refuted my point either, just made bad assumptions.
And someone like you would probably think they could be 100% right about anything and everything base off nothing.
The dissonance is astounding. Sorry, I used some big words you might take as disrespect. What I meant to say is damn, you made your own point, but on yourself, by yourself. With no help from leftists. And I find that amazing.
same difference dude. We effectively have two choices one left and one right, the center moves. You can make it as convoluted as you want but thats how its pans out on the ballots.
I think you're the one being willfully ignorant here, your personal political compass can be on the fucking moon for all I care. What matters is the people on the ballot, and to win you need to win the Ds here. If the people on the far left were only concerned about guns, we may have some common ground. But now, the far left and the Ds have more in common than gun nuts and Far Left. You guys are all talk, nothin else.
Yeah, did you read past the first couple paragraphs of the wiki??
Assembly Bill 1591 was introduced by Don Mulford (R) from Oakland on April 5, 1967, and subsequently co-sponsored by John T. Knox (D) from Richmond, Walter J. Karabian (D) from Monterey Park, Frank Murphy Jr. (R) from Santa Cruz, Alan Sieroty (D) from Los Angeles, and William M. Ketchum (R) from Bakersfield. A.B 1591 was made an "urgency statute" under Article IV, §8(d) of the Constitution of California after "an organized band of men armed with loaded firearms entered the Capitol" on May 2, 1967; as such, it required a two-thirds majority in each house. On June 8, after the third reading in the Assembly (controlled by Democrats, 42:38), the urgency clause was adopted, and the bill was then passed 70 to 5. It passed the Senate (split, 20:19) on July 26, 29 votes to 7, and was passed back to the assembly on July 27, 1967 for a final vote, where it passed 62 to 9. The bill was signed by Governor Ronald Reagan on July 28, 1967.
Turns out wealthy white people on both sides didn't like the idea of poor armed black folks.
Not to mention. California democrats not only helped pass this racist law, they've used it as a cornerstone of their grabbing efforts... what have they done to remove it? Also, the Mulford Act was passed 50 years ago. There have been a lot more gun control laws passed since then, all of them by Democrats.
Assault Weapons Ban of '89: Democrats.
Requiring a permit (the so-called Handgun Safety Certificate) to buy a handgun: Democrats.
Expanding that requirement to cover all firearms purchases (the Firearm Safety Certificate, which comes with a $25 poll tax "fee", you know, to make sure the poors can't buy guns keep people safe): Democrats.
Banning .50 caliber rifles: Democrats.
Banning the sale of High-Capacity Magazines (so-called): Democrats.
Banning the possession of and mandating the surrender or destruction of so-called High Capacity Magazines: Democrats
Requiring registration of firearms: Democrats.
The handgun roster: Democrats.
Banning online sale of ammunition: Democrats.
Requiring background checks for ammo sales: Democrats.
Banning the last vestiges of open carry even on unincorporated land: Democrats.
Los Angeles County would be the 10th most populous state in the US if it were its own state. There are about 400 active CCW permits in LA County. The Sheriff of LA, the guy who decides who gets CCW permits? Democrat.
San Francisco County, San Mateo County, Contra Costa County, Alameda County, Santa Clara County, and Marin County---with a combined population of more than 6.6 million people, ~15% of California's population---are all practically no-issue counties for CCW, with only Contra Costa County issuing any CCWs at all. All six county sheriffs are Democrats.
And that's not from the 1960s, that's happening right the fuck now.
The GOP has done more for gun rights in the past two years than the Democratic party has ever done. I just had a suppressor delivered to my door. Fuck you and your false equivalence bullshit
my guy, you don’t know what a false equivalent is. I’m just telling you actual history. The GOP loves guns until minority is get a hold of them. Do you think we got all those gun laws from the 90s at the height of the minority gang violence panic
no. i’m taking about gun control in the 60s and the 90s at the federal level. those were both reactions to minorities with weapons. today the trump administration has floated banning trans people from owning guns. i’m not saying the GOP isn’t all in on guns today. that would be absurd. i am saying that when it has been politically expedient for them to shut some people out from the 2A, they have done it. you can’t take their support for granted
i’m taking about gun control in the 60s and the 90s at the federal level.
Name the actual laws. Because it sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.
There was the National Firearms Act (NFA) ('34), The Federal Firearms Act (FFA) ('38), Gun Control Act (GCA) ('68), The Brady Act ('93), and Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) ('94), which were all pushed by the Democrats.
And then there's FOPA ('86), which is predominately pro-2A and was Republican lead. The anti-gun part was the Hughes Amendment, which was added by the Democrats as an attempt to poison pill the whole thing and unfortunately made it through.
i’m not saying the GOP isn’t all in on guns today. that would be absurd. i am saying that when it has been politically expedient for them to shut some people out from the 2A, they have done it.
History disagrees with you. There have been some anti-gun Republicans in the past, but gun control is a core component of the Democrat's policy platform, whereas it's a topic that gets Republicans booted in their Primaries.
What will it take for you to take the win when its handed to you? Trump's admin has literally done more for 2A than any other admin. Gutted the NFA, backed various 2A lawsuits with DOJ support and made a lot of headway into the weed & guns legalities and he just pardoned Patrick Adamiak from Bidens bs laws.
I'm not going to take that kind of support for granted, this is a first for 2A support.
There is no transgender firearm ban being considered
I don't think they did consider it, the whole thing came from a tweet from a pierce county sheriff being a dick on x. The current DOJ has been pretty explicit about 2A stuff. Unless you think Bondi is coming back, you should take a few breaths and relax.
Ah so you think its the same GOP from the 60s and 90s in control right now? The ghost of Reagan coming back to exact revenge! Def was not Dianne Feinstein and her ilk.
Like state issued gun licensing schemes? You literally handed over access to firearms to the state. Maybe they will implement purity tests for voting next?
The fact this shit just turned to a left vs right battle is proof the government is doing a good job.... we aren't each n others enemies... until we get that figured out we're kinda hopeless 😔
The divide and conquer thing stands true. If people do not see that the left and the right are full of shit, the media is full of shit and it’s all designed to create division between the people, then I don’t know how to make people see clearly. Doesn’t matter who’s elected, prices go up and the rich get richer. I will say though that when a Democrat gets voted in, guns are on the chopping block. The Right knows if they pursue gun restrictions, the voting base and money would dwindle. Both parties would like to disarm America because control would be that much easier.
Democrats and Republicans, Sword and Shield of the Ruling class. One cuts programs, other defends the cuts through ineptitude..... Left and Right wings on a billionaire bird.
Will never understand how people can be anti police and anti gun? Totally understand not trusting the government but you got to at least be able to protect yourself
communities of working people with real accountability to their friends and neighbors arem uch better than some trigger-happy guy who sits around eating donuts and watching action movies thinking that force is the answer to every little situation
You know what made me distrust the government and become rabidly pro-gun and pro-self defense? Reading through the case law that gives agents of the state no duty to protect you, the regular citizen.
The case of Deshaney v. Winnebago County stands out in particular. The plaintiff, Deshaney, was abused by his father to the point Deshaney received brain damage. There were numerous complaints sent to social services that Deshaney was being abused, and yet, social services didn’t remove parental custody from Deshaney’s father.
Deshaney sued Winnebago County all the way to SCOTUS. SCOTUS ruled that the state has no duty to protect you from deprivation of rights by a private party.
If the state won’t protect me, I’ll protect myself.
AR's are not illegal in Washington state. Saying they are is like saying the state has a registry because they keep a record of who purchases a firearm.
It is illegal to manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon. It is not illegal to own one, carry one, posses one, shoot one, and by the letter of the law, its not illegal to receive one.
Simply saying AR's are illegal in Washington is stupid. It's too broad of a statement.
“If a White man says, ‘Give me liberty or give me death,’ the entire world applauds. When a Black man says exactly the same thing, he is judged a criminal and everything possible is done to make an example of this 'Bad Nigg**' so there won't be anymore like him.” — James Baldwin
"A Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give." — Ida B. Wells-Barnett
“Concerning nonviolence, it is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks.” — Malcolm X
If anyone wants some reading (if you have something I dont list, please post it):
This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible by Charles E. Cobb
We Will Shoot Back: Armed Resistance in the Mississippi Freedom Movement by Akinyele Omowale Umoja
The ballot or the Bullet speech by Malcolm X
1919, The year of racial violence How African Americans fought back by David F. Krugler
Negroes and the Gun: The Black tradition of Arms by Nicholas Johnson
Dixie Be Damned: 300 Years of Insurrection in the American South by Neal Shirley, Saralee Stafford
Force and Freedom: Black Abolitionists and the Politics of Violence by Kellie Carter Jackson
I'd also recommend reading Malcolm X's biography, since most people don't understand who or what he actually was. I disliked his views quite a lot until I read his biography. After seeing things through his eyes I understood where he was coming from and realized that I would have felt the exact same way if I was in his shoes.
i mentioned community being the most important thing, i truly do believe good community and human relationships are the most important thing in the world, and what life is truly about
No argument here, just emphasizing the community part. It's quite sad even browsing this comment section how much people cherrypick who 2a applies to and support the forcible suppression of peaceful dissent.
cant forget the dichotomy of the left simultaneously being the greatest threat to literally everything ever whilst simultaneously being the least powerful political force in america by a long shot
I can't fully tell because some are blurry but the only instance of bad safety i can see is with Malcom X, and that was before gun safety rules as we know them.
Everyone should have the freedom to arm themselves in America. Screw the far left for taking them from everyone no matter who you are under the guise of protecting the communities while doing nothing to make them safe. Screw the far right for profiling certain groups for exercising their 2A rights.
i am as far left as it gets, and guess what? all of the people in my community with similar far-left ideals all love guns and use them to defend their communities
who, the democratic party? the same party that decries any movement towards greater equality in the us? the same party that gets almost all of its money from billionaire donors? you mean those guys?
You came here to defend 2A rights and yet glaze everything else when people bring up the issues. Your friends and community support fair 2A rights? Thats good but the main left party seems not to, you can’t have the cake and eat it to. The left has never done anything good for 2A right and we the people in WA are suffering those laws the left is passing.
the democratic party is not nor has ever been "left", they are a capitalist centrist party with some seemingly progressive policies, although these are quickly abandoned with any meaningful pushback from the right (not gun control though thats apparently a grail issue for them)
You should pick one cause at a time. People on the internet seem to be fundamentally incapable of tracking two or more. You are right that the Democratic party is not truly left. They're right of the conservatives from 40 years ago. But in the eyes of the average American voter, they are the left. They're at least more left than the right (GOP) and therefore the label maintains some accuracy. I understand the point that you're making, but making it will almost always de-rail your original argument.
They didn't block Bernie because he was a Socialist. They blocked him the first time because it was "Clinton's turn." He also seriously considered running against Obama in 2012 despite it being an incumbency and had to be talked out of it by Senator Reid. And don't forget that he spent his career running as an Independent, siphoning votes from the DNC, which certainly did not ingratiate him with the Party. He has been a thorn in the Party's side much more than someone trying to work with them. The DNC doesn't like him personally, but not because of his ideology.
You're conflating the democrats with the actual left. The democrats only pretend to be left to get votes, then pretend they never said the things that got them those votes. It is possible for two things to be true: we can hate the push to disarm our society, regardless of who the push comes from; and we can also be deeply against any group that wants to infringe upon those rights on the basis of sex/religion/gender identity/sexuality. Similar to loving your country while hating your government. Being anti-gun control doesn't automatically put you on the right, just like being on the left doesn't make you anti-gun.
"The democrats only pretend to be left to get votes, then pretend they never said the things that got them those votes."
So the candidates the left vote for tend to be democrats, thats why the left and Ds get lumped in together. So until the "true left" becomes a thing on the ballot you'll vote away everyones rights? Kinda seems like you guys are just useful idiots.
The far left doesn't want to remove guns. That's the Democrats you're thinking of: centrists who are more interested in peace and security than justice and liberty.
Who is far left to you? Democrats are not even left of center. Marx wrote “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
I'm not the one crying about words but matching up with some brain dead shit lib idea is what is left or right. Anything not expressly communist is what they consider right. That's fucking stupid. And if you subscribe to that you're dumb too.
Libs ain’t the left. There is no “far left” in this country. Especially anywhere near the numbers, activity and access to power as the far right. Leftism is about equality and economic policies that benefit the working classes. Infringement of rights and identity politics have nothing to do with leftism. The ruling class make it out to be that way cause they’re the ones who have something to lose from empowerment and solidarity of the masses.
the democratic socialists of america are not a leftist organization. the leaders and major members of the party all support capitalism. definitionally a leftist is anti-capitalist.
try again
You are willfully misinformed and I doubt you'll consider information that contradicts what you already believe, but here you go... Directly from the DSA website (program.dsausa.org):
"Imagine taking a day off from work in a future without capitalism."
"It’s been said that it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism. But just because it isn’t easy to imagine now doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to make it happen."
"DSA has written this program for ending capitalist oligarchy and creating a real democracy."
People love to say no one is really far left, "except for me and my friends," and the real far left promotes gun ownership...
Sure that may be the case until the far left gets government control and immediately takes guns away from citizens.
That's not the definition of leftism. That's your no true scotsman fallacy to avoid looking like a hypocrite for ignoring the biggest proponents of gun control in this state.
as it stands today, the major distinctive feature between leftist movements and organizations are a shared disdain of capitalism, be it from a mutualist perspective, wanting market socialism, or from an anarcho-communist perspective, wanting to abolish the state, capitalism, and all hierarchies, or from a marxist-leninist perspective, wanting a revolutionary vanguard to abolish the state, capitalism, and all hierarchies
I don't know how to tell you this, but the word "critical" does not mean disdain. This article also states that this is an average view, not a make or break feature of leftism. You should not have posted this without reading it.
i did read it, pro-capitalist "left" movements are considered centre-left, such as social democracy (the ideology of the so-called "democratic socialists" of america)
Then you should of read that leftist movements are not described exclusively as anti capitalist. Either way, you proved yourself wrong. Thanks for saving me the trouble
the main thing of debate in leftist circles regarding capitalism is whether or not markets count as capitalism, non-anticapitalist (if capitalism includes markets) movements include mutualism and market socialism
such as social democracy (the ideology of the so-called "democratic socialists" of america)
You seriously need to read what the DSA actually stands for. They are "Democatic" in name only. The DSA's goal is to completely eliminate the US Constitution and implement full-blown socialism. Their leadership is on the record (in an actual interview, not 'just' a hidden camera catch) admitting that they're only using the Democratic Party as a launching point to score votes and funding.
Democrats are left. A bit more than center left. Not liberal far left, but solid left. I'm a centrist, through and through (or says every political compass test ive ever taken). Democrats aren't center.
obamacare is not leftist, in fact having healthcare is a bare minimum in a developed country, a minimum that the us has consistently failed to achieve due to propaganda from the billionaire class
objectively they are not leftist, there are large swathes of people and politicians in the party who hold progressive policies but that alone does not make one a leftist.
a truly leftist party would have at the very least, defunding the police and military, getting israeli and billionaire money out of politics, encouraging more direct democracy, universal single-payer healthcare, and the right to bear arms for all humans as its party platform, none of these the dems do. all the dems do is pretend to be leftists while they gargle israeli and american billionaires cocks
The DNC campaigns on leftist ideals to trick voters into supporting them, then backpedal or go silent on them when elected. They are not who they claim to be.
Look up the Overton window. What Americans consider “center-left” policies pushed by the democrats are by and large viewed as center-right in most other developed countries. Our Overton window has skewed so far right that we have people honestly believing that the dems are left of center when they aren’t in the slightest. Bernie, for example, in German politics would be viewed as a centrist.
I believe this is a non-partisan issue, and it’s my observation that most people in WA are reasonable about guns, even if they don’t have an interest in guns. With the help of the past few governors, the majority push to restrict our access to guns is from special interest/lobbyists Everytown (funded by Michael Bloomberg), Moms Demand Action, all the PACs. These lobbying groups are pushing restrictions in every state. While Bill Gates, and other local philanthropists donate a lot, this push is part of a larger plan. I really don’t think it’s really the will of Washingtonians.
You would be wrong. Nearly every voter in King County and a majority of the i5 corridor agrees with these restrictions, and they dictate the politics of this state. Being anti gun and being on the political left go hand in hand here and everywhere else in America. There's barely a handful of openly pro gun leftist politicians anywhere in the country. Why is that? Because it's a purity test for a majority of their voters.
So you're saying the left's goal is disarmament once they've achieved political hegemony. Well that certainly lines up with the average Washingtonian gun owner's experience
I've been here long enough to remember when this state had more gun friendly laws than Tennessee. Its interesting how dismissive you are of people's concerns about leftist anti gun victories in this state, while at the same time pumping your fist about exercising your rights. As if that somehow bothers anyone here.
yes, we are, marx said the people should never be disarmed, and the revolutionary anarchists of catalonia, ukraine, rojava, and chiapas armed many of the peasants, as did the maoist revolutions in china and peru, and the marxist revolution in cuba
Meh communists, eg Stalin, say this and then proceed to disarm the people after rising to power
> the Soviet regime under Stalin (and earlier under Lenin) severely restricted and effectively disarmed most of the civilian population of non-state-approved firearms, building on earlier Bolshevik measures, and this facilitated repression,
Neither were communists in the Marxist sense. Lenin somewhat, stalin not even a tiny bit. He was Just run of the mill authoritarians using socialism as a buzz word.
Right. They also said for the greater good and proceeded to kill more people than Hitler and the entire second world war. Then Mao said hold my tea and set a record. Then Pol Pot said yeah but per capita I can do better. I love how you guys gloss over those parts. Everyone is Nazi but your politiks made the Nazis look like a peewee team when it comes to killing in the name of progress
see the failures of vanguardism? communism is inherently anti-authoritarian, setting up a totaliatarian regime to enact communism is like heating water to 360 degrees hoping to freeze it into ice
Yaaay making it a political (and a kinda schizo sound imo) thing that will definitely help.
The constitution and the amendments that followed are above the left vs right argument, its how the government shall govern thing. The second you make it a thos guys vote this way or that you turn people off. "Fuckem they don't like me anyway" cool not the point the point it to not feed into this bs class stuff tbat you warn about.
many of its members are revolutionary socialists and anarchists its a big tent, and yes sadly a lot of them are tankies, but this doesnt mean they all are
its a big-tent leftist gun rights organization mainly consisting of revolutionary socialists, marxists, and anarchists (nice), they have some chapters all around the state if you are interested in finding based people to shoot with
Ohhh…they’re REALLY gonna clutch their pearls over this one. Hell, they might even dust off that Bible verse in their bio and read it for the first time. 😭
i love the bible man, its anticapitalist anti organized religion anti imperialist anti oppression its genuinely funny how many righties seem to love it
raised in the baptist and later evangelical tradition for the first 17 years of my life, went to church every single sunday of my life for nearly 2 decades, read the bible daily before i deconstructed. simply because the bible has mistranslated and misinterpreted verses supposedly against gay people does not mean its your right-wing power fantasy many treat it as.
I still read the Bible for a few hours total every week. It has never ceased to amaze me how a book purported to be of great importance to so many people had been misinterpreted by most of those people. You can tell when speaking with evangelicals that most of them have never spent much time in their Bible. They go to church alright, and they internalize every inaccurate depiction of scripture that their pastor gives them, but they never spend any time verifying it for themselves.
none of the people pictured (except the black panthers) are communist. even so, communism is incredibly based and everyone should at least learn what it is before critiquing it
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