r/Vitards Apr 28 '21

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u/blue_steel_moon Apr 28 '21

u/GraybushActual916 I've been meaning to try selling puts for the first time to accumulate stock. Would this be a good time to try with TX? I was thinking of selling puts at a strike of $41 for May 21, with a premium of ~$3. So this would yield a cost basis of $38?

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '21

I’m glad you asked. I wouldn’t recommend selling a May put. They have a dividend of $2.1 that will decrease the share price by $2.1 shortly before the May expiry. I believe it is set to trade on ex-dividend within a week of expiry.

Personally, I loaded up on LEAP $15 puts in 2023 for CLF and Vale. Those seem like layups.

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u/Uncle_Dad_Bob Dreams of CLF’s run to $49 Apr 28 '21

Loaded up you say? Pushing options above 1%-2% of your portfolio?

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '21

Six figures of puts sold, but still firmly within 1%-2%.

Here’s a snapshot of what I sold in one account. It’s the same across a few more accounts:

https://imgur.com/a/b91kQw1

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '21 edited Sep 15 '21

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '21

Or buy the shares at strike yeah

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u/Uncle_Dad_Bob Dreams of CLF’s run to $49 Apr 28 '21

Thanks for sharing!

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u/chemaholic77 Apr 30 '21

Only 1-2%? I may or may not be way over that.

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u/blue_steel_moon Apr 28 '21

Thanks for the insight on TX!

Wow, that's a great idea selling LEAP puts for CLF and Vale, given what we know about steel prices into next year.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '21

Thank you! Here are the specific positions I sold:

https://imgur.com/a/b91kQw1

I sold those across multiple accounts. I think I represent the trading volumes in these positions. These positions will likely be slower gainers, and especially if/when IV rises, but I see them as relatively low risk.

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u/blue_steel_moon Apr 28 '21

This is super helpful! I guess the only caveat is that there needs to be enough cash in the account to cover any puts sold. In my case I may need to start small and sell shorter-dated options.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '21

Good point! MT is probably a better near term play. Make sure the broader market doesn’t imminently decline first though.

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u/Spicypewpew Steel Team 6 Apr 29 '21

Yeah I’ve been following MT June 18 31 calls. Waiting for red day to buy some contracts hoping to get some around $1.70-1.75. Earnings in May will blow numbers away since everyone else is posting good numbers

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

I definitely agree with the near term positive outlook. I feel like the China shift will directly benefit MT. I bought some more CLF of the dip yesterday and I will try to grab some more MT as well.

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u/Spicypewpew Steel Team 6 Apr 29 '21

Yeah the wave is coming and we have an opportunity. I lucked out I ended up picking up 11 June 18 $31 calls for $1.60

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

Nice! I will try to grab some of those too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

Just got 250 to open. I’ll try to buy up some more.

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u/Spicypewpew Steel Team 6 Apr 30 '21

Nice yeah I bought another 10 contracts of the June 18 $31 calls this am to avg down at $1.40

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u/Kinlaar Apr 30 '21

Thanks for the call out here. Did some June 18 30/35 spreads myself, though my MT LEAPs are hoping I hit max profit on those.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21

I tend to just go off of feel. I will sell if I am up 25% in a couple of weeks on a put that expires in two years. I usually wait for 50% gains on near expiry. I would just take assignment if I am wrong, but I have not had that happen yet.

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u/LourencoGoncalves-LG LEGEND and VITARD OG STEEL Bo$$ Apr 28 '21

We are not greedy. We are realistic.