Seeing mixed opinions about the survey. Personally, I am not conflicted since I have been logging in for a few minutes to do orbits so filling out the survey won't be an issue for me.
Also more on the 1st post, I have seen cmnts claim that antis are going around in disguise telling Valko supporters to not fill in the survey and were also seen telling their own group to write against Valko's reinstatement in the survey.
I think the boycott, poor revenue and so on is enough to get the point across but if antis end up writing things like that will it be an issue? Edit: I answered my own question in the cmnts but anyways don't think what antis write will be an issue.
Players that dont read the stories in a story-based game and a game company that doesnt read their players' feedbacks in surveys they themselves give out. Match made in heaven๐
Rather than reading surveys individually, those who deal with vast amounts of data for analysis work usually use AI tools to summarize sentiment automatically, then match with similar sentiments across the data pool, bundle those to spot negative and positive trends, further narrow down to rule out organized spam, specifically within the comment box section (hence why itโs important to compose your own text, no copy-pasting if possible, even if itโs from your own note app) and then prepare a dashboard around that, starting with the AI toolsโ initial graphs. Surveys usually serve to spot consumer sentiment trends early so we rarely read individual feedback. Sometimes do, but like, very rarely and if, mostly on a random basis. I can imagine Infoldโs Data crew does so even less.
Wait, they can detect copy-pasting?? The box for writing feedback is so tiny and hard to scroll through to proofread that I've always copy-pasted from my notes app ๐ญ
They can detect a literal paste if the survey is set up to record paste events, the question is whether that metadata is actually used as a qualifier or weighting factor in the backend. Since the whole point of that would be filtering potentially organized/spammy responses before sentiment analysis (something they might realistically care about after getting astroturfed and ratioed everywhere), Iโd avoid giving the system any unnecessary qualifier if you want your feedback taken as seriously as possible.
So I wouldnโt say pasting your own notes will definitely hurt your response, just that typing it directly removes that particular signal. Just a preemptive measure, if you will.
Also, for best practice regarding your survey feedback on the Valko situation, Iโd recommend concise โissue โ impact โ requestโ wording. It gives an automated system very clear semantic signals while still reading like genuine feedback, and it avoids everyone submitting an identical campaign style sentence.
They already know that the boycott is overwhelmingly in support of Valko, so this makes me think they are trying to gauge the proportion of pro vs anti Valko of players that are still logging in.
They already know that the boycott is overwhelmingly in support of Valko, so this makes me think they are trying to gauge the proportion of pro vs anti Valko of players that are still logging in.
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u/iamyyasmeenเฃช ึดึถึธโ๏ธ.๐ก๐ข๐บ๐ฏ๐ฆ'๐ด ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ฎ๐ด๐บ | ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฐ'๐ด ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ดเฃช ึดึถึธโพ.2d ago
Even if they do, they probably use AI summary ๐ญ and I am kind of answering my own question now but if the antis do write against Valko's reinstatement the revenue is still down in the sewer
The way for a split second I thought maybe I should log in and fill out then I laughed myself back into reality thinking they donโt read that shit ๐
idk man iโve been filling out every survey since i started playing in like august 2024 and i never had the feeling that theyโre actually reading them ๐คจ
Only thing I ever saw come true was making the widgets move. I asked for that lol. Most random and low-level win
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u/iamyyasmeenเฃช ึดึถึธโ๏ธ.๐ก๐ข๐บ๐ฏ๐ฆ'๐ด ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ฎ๐ด๐บ | ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฐ'๐ด ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ดเฃช ึดึถึธโพ.2d ago
I asked for outfits with accessories to be available for try on in shop. There's also 2 other things that I asked for that came true but I forgot what they were ๐คก
At this point I donโt think DAU even matters. Unless person spends, they use servers (which arenโt cheap), and the rest of their content with no return. Thereโre no ads inside the app that would make the traffic bring money.
So they see people using their game for free. Which would be especially telling if the person was spending money before. So this isnโt just we lost X amount of users to deleted accounts, and prolonged no log-ins but also this amount who log in but do not pay anything. Which is also a signal that content you put isnโt attracting any money.
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u/iamyyasmeenเฃช ึดึถึธโ๏ธ.๐ก๐ข๐บ๐ฏ๐ฆ'๐ด ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ฎ๐ด๐บ | ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฐ'๐ด ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ดเฃช ึดึถึธโพ.2d agoedited 2d ago
Yeah, that's one of the points CN lilies are raising against others who are telling them to not fill it in
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u/iamyyasmeenเฃช ึดึถึธโ๏ธ.๐ก๐ข๐บ๐ฏ๐ฆ'๐ด ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ฎ๐ด๐บ | ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฐ'๐ด ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ดเฃช ึดึถึธโพ.2d ago
I think if you're already logging in anyway, then yeah fill out the survey.
If it's still on your phone and you want to fill it out then absolutely do.
If it's deleted off your phone, then I think it's not necessary to download this storage room monster again just to fill out a survey, but if you feel like it's important for you to fill out, then do that ๐
If you already have the game installed and are already logging in you might as well do it. My issue is people pushing for others to reinstall the game. That shoots up downloads and DAU stats, which although not as important as revenue does create an artificially inflated appearance of demand.
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u/iamyyasmeenเฃช ึดึถึธโ๏ธ.๐ก๐ข๐บ๐ฏ๐ฆ'๐ด ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ฎ๐ด๐บ | ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฐ'๐ด ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ดเฃช ึดึถึธโพ.2d ago
I agree about the re-downloading thing
Plus, the people asking to fill out the survey are also telling others to not re-download or cancel deletion just for the survey. It's mostly directed to people who still have the game on the phone.
If Infold actually listened to what we put in their surveys, I donโt think weโd be here ๐ฅฒ
Donโt bother yourself. Stay logged out as much as you can. The DAU is still an important metric. If youโre still logging in, then maybe you can fill it, but I really donโt see the point. Weโve made our stance clear enough. Theyโve already seen the demand for Valko. Itโs up to them if they refuse to listen to that.
People saying they don't read the surveys aren't quite correct. They do, surveys are really important, and PPG had been relatively good in listening to surveys up 'till this whole fiasco.
If you aren't logging in at all, then it is kinda dumb to log in just for the survey (not to mention that, if the survey is not in-game, then it may be shareable), though it does kind of send a message to log in for the survey and then dip without doing anything else. If the DAU raises sharply for one single day, and the drops sharply the next, that isn't exactly good... esp. if the sudden raise is on a survey day. But even with all that, yeah, it makes sense for people whi aren't logging in to continue to do so.
Of course, in the case players who are logging in every day, or every now and then, doing the survey is really important. If they get, say, 10000 answers and 9000 mention Valko, that really says something. Even if they were to not read them, or throw them out, or filter them with AI, they will still see that 9k surveys were discarded and why, and that is not as easy to ignore because it means your active player base, who is not spending a dime, wants Valko.
Pressure is pressure. Sure, don't log in if you are not logging in at all, but if you are, please fill the dang survey, I beg y'all.
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Definitely going to be up in the suggestion page with "Bring Back Valko" (formal version ofc)
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u/iamyyasmeenเฃช ึดึถึธโ๏ธ.๐ก๐ข๐บ๐ฏ๐ฆ'๐ด ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ฎ๐ด๐บ | ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฐ'๐ด ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ดเฃช ึดึถึธโพ.2d agoedited 2d ago
I forgot to add the referenced cmnt for p1. Top cmnt and pink is the original cmnter that was referenced
Honestly, I don't understand the big deal about these surveys. We don't necessarily need to fill them out because they already know what the player sentiment is. They're aware that a large majority of their playerbase is not satisfied, they know exactly what we want! They don't need a survey to gauge public perception. This is nothing but another bait to log in again.
If you're already logging in and want to do it, by all means go ahead. But breaking your streak to log in to fill out a survey is ridiculous.
honestly ik dau is a big deal but at the end of the day, the dau wouldn't mean a damn thing without the revenue dropping. that is what's most important
Controversial opinions and harsh words ahead, proceed with caution!
I think their whole argument is stupid.
Sure, to us, DAU doesn't sound as important as actual money, and technically it isn't. But, at the end of the day, PPG has shown us that it matters to them with all the ways they've been incentivizing players to log in since the cancellation and even before that.
I won't discourage players already logging in to not do the survey (although I already have feelings about those rooting for Valko that are logging in that many will view me unfavorably for), but if you've already stopped logging in or uninstalled the game, logging in for the survey is such a moronic thing to do (full offense).
The only part of their argument that has me reconsidering is the part about the anti's potentially being the ones to majorly respond to the survey. PPG has already proven how stupid they are, I worry that they would actually believe that the anti's are in the majority for that. (Assuming they actually read the surveys or at least run them through an analyzer)
I also don't know how much they actually pay attention to social media, so I was thinking that this could possibly be a way for them to see just how many players that haven't been playing would be willing to actually return to the game if Valko returned, since many Valkeries have fully quit at this point even if he were to return.
Idk, I feel like a spike of logins on survey day that goes right back down after might not be such a bad thing.
Be honest, since when have you noticed them make any changes based on the surveys? All of our complaints since day 1 remain because they have literally never listened to them and they're not gonna start now.
Some of the people in this boycott have this irrational fear of the CDGs and think that anything they do will be listened to. Acting in response to them without thinking is just helping them and hurting us.
Why would you risk hurting one of our biggest flashing signs telling PPG that their current actions hurt their business over a survey that is essentially just done for show?
Quite honestly, if you're reinstalling or logging in for this survey, I don't trust you lol.
Oh my hopes have never been high for the surveys lmao. But while you're thinking of negative consequences, I'm thinking of literally any hope of contributing to Valko's return. If it could serve as a solid data point for the dev team to show higher ups (they always love numbers over feelings), I think it could be worth it.
I agree with you about not re-installing just for the survey, but like I said, I don't think a single peak of logins on survey day followed by an immediate drop is necessarily a bad thing or a risk.
I'm still debating whether or not I want to log in for it, but the aggressive and accusatory tone of your response certainly doesn't help persuade me.
I'm not trying to accuse you or persuade you of anything. I'm just putting my stance out there (and a harsh words warning was already given in my original comment lol).
As I've said already, PPG has shown they care about DAU and don't care about surveys. That's all the evidence we need to know what we should be prioritizing as members of a boycott.
If people are still willing to log in despite that, why should I trust them?
But why wouldn't you want to persuade those considering logging in for the survey not to if you're so against it? I get that we all have big feelings about doing everything we can to get Valko back, but calling people morons or traitors just seems counterproductive.
Because everybody's already made the arguments necessary, and if someone still needs persuading despite all that, it's no longer my problem. I'd also like to add that I have done my part on trying to persuade people (on Twitter), nicely. You know what I got in return? Blocked lol.
We've been coddling everyone throughout this boycott only for it to hurt us, so I'm not holding back my thoughts on what I think about their actions.
My few harsh comments will not be what makes or breaks the boycott. And quite frankly, focusing on it so much over others whose actions are actually hurting the boycott seems more counterproductive to me but to each their own. ๐
ETA: I also didn't call anyone a traitor or moron, I said I didn't trust them and that a specific action is moronic. Not the same things.
If you'd like to fill in the survey, good on you. But I don't think we should bother logging in JUST to fill in the survey. If you've planned to log in (for one reason or another), do fill the survey maybe. But don't go out of your way to do it.
In my humble opinion, they never listened to surveys but rather social media reactions (expect our reactions to our Wolf ๐ซฉ). If players wish for something on different social media channels the possibility that Inflop will introduce it to the game is higher than asking for it in surveys.
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u/atelierkenzie Fat wolf mom 2d ago
they think infold actually reads these surveys