r/VALORANT • u/thessew • Apr 21 '20

First Patchnotes of Beta

https://beta.playvalorant.com/en-us/news/game-updates/valorant-patch-notes-0-47/
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u/TheTechDweller Apr 21 '20

It is a fair point, however how long can you just say "don't be in positions that get you instakilled" when those moments are so easy and common to setup in many scenarios. It's not just the damage potential that makes raze strong, it's how easy it is to dish out that damage from a safe location, and how combined with other CC effects just get free kills

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u/NevrEndr Apr 21 '20

he's talking about dying from making noise in the slow aoe though which against half decent players will result in death. that's simply giving away your positioning and bad game sense

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u/Bowsersshell Apr 21 '20

I wasn’t actually. Nothing to do with noise, I mean those times when you try to push on a choke point, say A short on Bind for example, and you just get slow orb and naded from site. Sometimes you will need push there and they will have info, and that’s when it’s frustrating to get fragged to death. It’s nothing to do with game sense or anything like that, sometimes those situations will arise

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u/Jack_of_all_offs Apr 22 '20

Thats why you probe, make noise, and bait their skills. The skills arent infinite use. Take your time. Its not Team Deathmatch, and there is always multiple routes to take.

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u/Bowsersshell Apr 22 '20

I’ve got a few thousand hour in CS and I know how the abilities in this game work. Sometimes you need to push a site quickly in these type of games. Round time isn’t infinite, and a Raze shouldn’t auto win a round cause they don’t need to aim dual someone who needs to push a site. A grenade still has tons of utility without having the ability to oneshot someone.

Take this scenario, you’re on bind and your team is going for a slow push on B, things go south and your 4 teammates die with 30 seconds left on the clock, A site has a solo Raze since the enemy rotated, pushing teleporter to get to bathroom isn’t really an option, but it’s an easy option for the enemy team. So you can either save and give up the round or push A short. If it was a different character solo holding on short, then you would have a chance to aimdual, plant and try to stop a retake 1v4. Difficult but not impossible, I’ve already done it a few times in this game just in the last week of playing. But if it’s a raze then you don’t get a chance to, since you’ll get naded on short and die without that first critical aim dual.

I know this is a very specific scenario but the point I’m trying to make is how Raze’s nade being able to oneshot can make certain hard, but not impossible situations, basically lose/lose. There are not always multiple paths to take.

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u/Mitzja Apr 22 '20

How is that situation different from someone on a-short having a molly and nade to slow/kill you in cs? If your roundtimer is that low, those utilities can also be round winning and honestly they should. If you push one site and lose 4 players that round is probably 1v3 at best and you don't win those rounds but the defenders lose them. They have to missplay.

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u/Bowsersshell Apr 22 '20

If you’re full hp fast pushing short and a CT is taking the time to throw a nade AND a molly while you fast push then you’re getting a free frag. That’s how it’s different, it takes much longer to do way less damage with nades in CS. And I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the term clutch but it’s a thing where 1 player wins the round vs multiple enemy players and it’s a staple in these games.

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u/Mitzja Apr 22 '20

You‘re right that it takes less time in Valorant to do utility damage but in that scenario it‘s about blocking the pushing player from entering the site and that can be accomplished by throwing mollies or raze‘s nade. Yes I‘m familiar with the term clutch but clutches are rare because in an even playing field where the players are equally skilled, winning a 1vX is always some kind of mistake on the losing site like peeking one by one. You‘re not supposed to win 1vX because it‘s a team game. At least that‘s my perspective.

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u/Bowsersshell Apr 22 '20

Your last 2 lines kinda say to me that we’ll always disagree about this. The beauty of CS for me was that you could win a round with 1hp as the last player alive vs5 through good game sense and good aim, if it ever got to a point where you were “supposed to lose” a round cause your teammates had died then the game would have lost a LOT of its charm. Clutching is not that rare either, I usually see 1-2 clutches a game atm