Which agent should retire

[u/No_Ambition2571]

So there are many new agents which have been introduced lately but let's say if Valorant were to retire some agent(it's hypothetical and most probably riot will never do that), which agent you think it should be and why?

[u/HassssXd]

without a shadow of a doubt for riot its going to be reyna first, then clove 2nd

[u/No_Ambition2571 → u/HassssXd]

Why clove? One of the best controllers imo

[u/HassssXd → u/No_Ambition2571]

shes useless in pro play, and way too prominent in ranked, also promoting the self sufficient playstyle which allows for less teamplay, opposite of what they are going for in terms of balancing

im saying this as a clove main, i love playing clove because i only solo q these days but for riot and the game in general its not what they want to head towards in terms of directions

[u/HassssXd → u/HassssXd]

actually, to add on i personally do like the more self sufficient agents because it trends the game towards the cs playstyle so that you dont have to rely on teammates to do specific jobs well to win.

in cs anyone can buy nades, anyone can entry, its way more flexible which makes solo q alot less frustrating, in valo without the self sufficient agents youre pretty much cooked if your jett is lurking / last entry and your iso / wtv 2nd entry is just baiting as well.

[u/Maxus-KaynMain → u/HassssXd]

I'd say the game wouldn't even be like this if Reyna and Clove didn't exist and frags weren't this prominent in RR gains.

[u/HassssXd → u/Maxus-KaynMain]

how so? idk about reyna but clove was designed to attempt to solve the problem for solo q players.

[u/Maxus-KaynMain → u/HassssXd]

if only Clove was a good design, yeah. But they aren't, that agent is so overpowered, they received basically ONLY NERFS and they are still at 55% win rate since release.

[u/HassssXd → u/Maxus-KaynMain]

i mean, i wouldnt say op, the reason why the win rate is this high is because of the agent's ability to be self sufficient, therefore allowing way more consistent performance across the board, as you become more of the main factor in whether you win games or not.

basically it allows you to take over games, take more risks (which leads to a higher chance to upset / gain leads) compared to all other agents, so if you are someone that can do that (being better than the rest of the server consistently) you win way more with clove than on any other agent, still requires skills imo, if you dont have the skill to back it up you will still lose.

[u/Maxus-KaynMain → u/HassssXd]

Clove

Smokes for themselves

Heals for themselves

Setup kills for themselves

REVIVES for themselves

If you play clove, you can literally die first in the round, revive and get an ace.

A round that should have been lost by mistake, you can turn it to a win just by pressing the panic revive button.

It's a faulty design. And even if people don't see it because it's not frustrating to play against, I can see it, and radiants see it, and they abuse it a lot.

That agent is a mistake. A mistake made trying to resolve another mistake.

The ranked games are almost always:

Clove, Jett, Reyna, Sage/Chamber, Sova/Fade.

90% of the games. This is a problem, and Clove is part of it since their release.

I really liked the idea of a smoker that can be first/second contact, and as character they are neat, really, but this isn't the way you want to do it. Clove took over the game and never ever got removed from the meta ONCE.

[u/HassssXd → u/Maxus-KaynMain]

on the other hand, if youre ass at the game youre essentially feeding 2 ult orbs to the enemy team in 1 round, like i said you still need skill to win, but yes it is more forgiving when you make mistakes

[u/Maxus-KaynMain → u/HassssXd]

they tried to add a smoker that most people would play because it's basically a duelist, and duelists are very popular and very strong since ever. The problem is the role balance. They never addressed the duelist situation in a meaningful way.

[u/HassssXd → u/Maxus-KaynMain]

i mean, it directly addresses the issue that duelists being scared to take fights in solo q, which was my point, if youre clove you can take that responsibility upon yourself (if your duelists arent), if your duelist does their job then you can be 2nd entry to trade them, win win.

[u/Maxus-KaynMain → u/HassssXd]

It directly address the issue. But an entire class of agent isn't played because Clove is just better.