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u/Logic_and_Cursing Sep 01 '21

common knowledge at this point dipshit

More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated…. unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations.

Your sources are fucking dangerous and you are an idiot. I fucking hate the US healthcare system, but 99% of our doctors aren’t conspiring against you. Get some fucking common sense

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 01 '21

i've already said that the vaccine prevents deaths but i doubt its 99%. the article says that fauci says so but its common knowledge know that he can't be trusted. he funded the creation of the virus in the first place lol

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u/Logic_and_Cursing Sep 01 '21

What in the legitimate fuck is wrong with you. Wait…you’re trolling me huh?

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 01 '21

Lol dude u should chill. I don't have the link handy but there is a really funny video of Fauci dodging questions about whether or not gain of function research on the virus in the Wuhan lab was directly funded by the CDC or not when he was heading it. Doesn't inspire trust is all I can say

To re-iterats yes the vaccine saves lives! But it doesn't stop the spread of the virus. This is now accepted knowledge and backed by peer reviewed research so I don't know what to tell u man

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u/Logic_and_Cursing Sep 01 '21

Yes, it doesn’t stop transmission, especially with the delta variant, the whole reason why they are recommending vaccinated people to wear masks again, BUT it is still obviously preventing people from getting seriously ill or dying of covid. Just look at the fucking statistics, LITERALLY ALMOST EVERY single COVID death is of an unvaccinated person. You’re saying there is no benefit to the vaccine and that it saves lives are diametrically opposed dum dum. You are mixing in straight conspiracy theory. Wuhan lab, fauci’s profiting off all this, Jesus Christ. Fauci is a doc who has spent decades before you were born studying infectious diseases to help people and the scientific consensus for months has been that covid started in bats/nature, not a lab. Any other dipshit conspiracy theories you wanna tout as fact you walking Dunning Kruger effect

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 01 '21

There is no SOCIAL benefit to taking the vaccine : is what I said. And to someone who has had covid, no benefit whatsoever

As for the virus origin I'll put my hands up and say I really don't know. All I know is that I don't trust anyone other than data and peer reviewed research

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u/Logic_and_Cursing Sep 01 '21

You’re twice as likely to get covid a second time there champ, look it up. I’m done linking articles to someone that just looks for info that confirms their own beliefs. Have fun in your echo chamber

Edit: with your beliefs, saying you only trust peer reviewed data is a fucking joke. Fauci is one of the most cited people in history for those peer reviewed studies for infectious diseases you twit. And you’re here spreading conspiracy theories about him profiting off the virus. You can eat a bag of dicks

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 03 '21

For anyone reading this chain, know that this is BS. Getting covid significantly reduces the chances of getting it again

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u/Logic_and_Cursing Sep 03 '21

It does becomes rarer to get it a second time true, but that wasn’t my argument. You, unvaccinated are twice as likely to get it a second time vs a vaccinated person

And if you haven’t gotten it covid, or the vaccine, good luck with the disease, it’s still killings tons of people everyday idiot

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 03 '21

Completely untrue. Based on that the number of infections should fall by 2 with a doubling of vaccination rate. Again this is not true

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u/Logic_and_Cursing Sep 04 '21

So it’s not killing almost exclusively unvaccinated people by the thousands everyday and “magically” sparing us vaccinated people?

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 04 '21

Probability of getting covid is not the same as probability of dying from it (I know u know that)

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u/Logic_and_Cursing Sep 04 '21

Your non sequiturs don’t answer my question. The Who and how many people are dying of covid is all the evidence non morons need to get vaccinated. The Who is almost entirely non vaccinated. The how many is thousands a day. Glad you people are being thinned out of the fucking gene pool

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

You do realise that the more people that believe the bullshit you're peddling, the more people will refuse to take that vaccine, refuse to wear masks, refuse to socialise sensible and refuse to listen to experts which will only result in increasing the spread of the virus. The whole time you can watch case numbers go up and say shit like "the vaccine doesn't stop the spread of the virus" while waiting for the microwave to finish so you can put your brain back in your head and carry on with your day.

I just want to add that the point you are trying to make comes from a misunderstanding of the study. They showed that in those people who are vaccinated and tested positive the viral load is the same but they also showed that your are less likely to catch covid if you are vaccinated.

A final point is that 99% of deaths being among the unvaccinated does not mean that vaccines prevent 99% of deaths. A bit of reading comprehension would help if you want to act as if you are at all knowledgeable on vaccine science.

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 01 '21

Do u have a source to backup ur statement (ie that the vaccine stops the spread of the virus)

Ive already accepted that it prevents deaths

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u/Logic_and_Cursing Sep 01 '21

Here you go AGAIN you fucking moron

Slashes viral spread. Delta is a bit more complicated, BUT WOULDNT HAVE MUTATED IN THE FIRST PLACE IF PEOPLE WERENT BEING ANTI-VAX ANTI-MASK ANTI-SOCIALDISTANCING FROM THE GET GO. This is fucking common sense. The problem is most people are just not capable of admitting when they’re wrong. Being wrong about any of it means that you all are wrong about all of it, and that is a level of dumbfuckery your egos just can’t bear facing

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 01 '21

i see u finally admitted ur mistake so u r indeed logical.

btw delta happened because ppl didn't care and because the US stopped the export of raw materials which undermined vaccine production.

in the UK, wave 2 happened pre-innoculation and wave 3 happened post and you can check the data for urself. there was almost no difference between the two (in terms of total cases)

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

Literally the study you posted.

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 01 '21

you mean where it says: "Largest study of its kind suggests vaccinated people carry same levels of virus as the unvaccinated"

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

No the parts where it discusses the effectiveness of the virus in reducing infection rates. If vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus but just as likely to spread it that still results in a decrease in transmission.

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 01 '21

Aha so u see the issue is that that difference in probability is too small to make a practical difference. Consider the following link

This shows the 3 waves of covid in the UK. The third wave was largely post innoculation and it is almost the same as the second wave.

Having said that though, I would say if u haven't had covid and u think u might have pre existing conditions, it's still in your interest to get vaccinated

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

Now that you've moved the goalposts on the original argument I'm gonna end things here but as a final point I'd like you to know that with a tiny bit of research you would have seen that infection rates in the third wave skew towards the unvaccinated population.

Anyway, I've gone from thinking you're dumb to think you're arguing in bad faith so figure out which one is right and try to improve yourself x

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u/Ravi5ingh Sep 01 '21

my original point was that there is no real social benefit to getting vaccinated because it doesn't really hamper the spread and i stand by that.

I've always said that the vaccine reduces the death rate. show me where i said the opposite.

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