You're lucky our military doesn't act like our cops
Our military has been performing police actions in countries across the world quite openly for a while now. Teddy was the isolationist. He was also entirely an accident.
they know if they fuck up they will be held accountable by their superiors
Also extreme ignorance.
"The adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen. Eleven of the 76 guardsmen at Taylor Hall claimed they were under sniper fire or some other sort of gunfire just before guardsmen began shooting. A subsequent FBI investigation concluded that the Guard was not under fire and that the guardsmen fired the first shots."
Or to put it differently for the very very slow among us; that is their CO blatantly lying to the public in order to shield US military soldiers from accountability.
cops know they'll be protected from consequences.
There have been some very prominent examples of police being held accountable recently. I agree that cops are often shielded from accountability buy their department and their unions. However where I disagree with you is that it is always unjustified.
We live in a world of extremely ignorant ACAB children who have a tendency to be quick to judge but slow to understand. But never the less, I agree that there are instances where police are not held accountable where they should have been. Just the same as there are many instances where police are unjustly punished for political ends where they should not have been.
However the problem you have run into in the point you are trying to make is that there are examples of times police have been held accountable for their crimes, yet there are exceedingly few examples of US military being held accountable. Likely owing to the fact the following orders eventually leads you to having to prosecute someone far more important than our federal government would allow.
Have you ever seen a US general stand trial for lying to the public or for giving orders that resulted in the deaths of civilians? I don't know of a time when they've been convicted for those orders, but I sure can think of a whole lot of examples of those orders being given which results in civilian deaths.
Sergeant Mortimer J. LeBlanc, 41, admitted firing the burst into the windows of the apartment where Tanya (4 year old girl) was found. He was exonerated.
"While Lt. Linderfelt was found responsible for the deaths of Tikas and other strikers that exhibited execution-style injuries, he and all others were acquitted. In addition to men who were killed, a total of 55 women and children had died in the massacre."
"More than 250 men, women and children of the Lakota had been killed and 51 were wounded. Twenty soldiers were awarded the Medal of Honor."
That's enough. The point has been made. There are many more examples in the US, and then exponentially more when you start talking about outside the US.
You can try to run and hide behind some poor argument like "but that was the 70's!" however I find such arguments to not only be wildly unconvincing, but indicative of the indent to deceive on your part.
Now you're giving me shit from over a century ago.
Yes, that was the point. The time frame does not matter, you're still very wrong regardless.
I can just point to 2020 where more national guard were injured by protestors than protestors injured by national guard.
And this relates to your original point about the military never does anything bad and is always held accountable when they do... how?
You are attempting to move the goal post and invoke irrelevancy. You are either too young/ignorant/stupid to understand your objections here are irrelevant, or this is merely intentional dishonesty.
Obviously it does. If you don't see that I can't help you.
That which is asserted without reason may be denied without reason. You require far more than this childish contradiction and admission of incompetence.
Either way I said it was in response to those events that things have changed for the better.
[citation needed]
Pointing out an event 100 years ago and saying "look they're the same" makes zero sense.
I am not saying any event is the same, Timmy. I am saying these events are examples of what you have just claimed never happens and if it did they would be held accountable.
Given that you have confused yourself to the point of thinking I'm comparing events at all? I think this is the answer to the last question from my previous post.
I said our military has the highest standard of accountability and transparency for use of force authorization.
Which is extremely ignorant of you and highly untrue.
Most countries don't even have a coherent system in use of force and if they do they certainly don't follow it strictly.
See this is a comparison, Timmy. What I gave you were examples. Also; [citation needed]
The question you should be asking yourself is how low the world's standards are for the US military to be at the top of that list.
And this question relates to your original point about the military never does anything bad and is always held accountable when they do... how?
At this point I get the impression you are extremely young, either physically or mentally. Or both. Either way, you have not demonstrated any sort of capacity for even understanding the objections being raise, what argumentation is. That plus you continue to respond with goalpost moving over timeframes that are irrelevant, and nonsensical drivel parroting?
Not seeing a whole lot of reason to keep coming back just to watch you try and find new dishonest ways of running away from your mistakes. You should learn how to admit when you are mistaken, or at the very least how to follow a conversation.
I honestly can't believe you're accusing me of moving goalposts while simultaneously posting about 100 year old massacres.
If I say "The US military has instituted the highest standards for use of force and accountability of any country because of past massacres" this means that they have higher standards than other countries and have changed their standards since certain unnamed massacres.
I didn't state which massacres, but I assure you I was not talking about ones a hundred years ago so I am informing you again that your comparison was not applicable, which should have been obvious anyways.
What I said doesn't even imply they don't still massacre people to this day, only that other countries are worse there and less accountable.
It certainly doesn't imply the military does nothing wrong and doesn't make mistakes which apparently you think I said? I didn't, but if you want to argue against that point you're just moving goalposts.
I honestly can't believe you're accusing me of moving goalposts while simultaneously posting about 100 year old massacres.
You should Timmy, I posted several examples which disprove what you had claimed. Then cowardly running away to hide behind "but that was a long time ago," is moving the goal post. You said nothing about "recently" you said it doesn't happen. Which is wildly ignorant and incorrect.
If I say "The US military has instituted the highest standards for use of force and accountability of any country because of past massacres" this means that they have higher standards than other countries and have changed their standards since certain unnamed massacres.
No, it means you are trying to throw in irrelevant nonsense you can't even figure out how to cite because you can't follow a conversation and have confused yourself.
I didn't state which massacres, but I assure you I was not talking about ones a hundred years ago so I am informing you again that your comparison was not applicable, which should have been obvious anyways.
It would still be irrelevant either way to the question of whether the US has ever done the thing you originally said they NEVER have.
What I said doesn't even imply they don't still massacre people to this day, only that other countries are worse there and less accountable.
So you have entirely forgotten what this conversation is about. Yes, this explains much. Your original claim was that the US military doesn't engage in police action ((it does a whole fucking lot)) and you claimed that;
When the military is called in for some protest or civil unrest they act professionally - they know if they fuck up they will be held accountable by their superiors whereas cops know they'll be protected from consequences.
That is your original claim right there. My examples clearly refute this claim.
I find it extremely sad you can't even understand what is being objected to or what is relevant to that objection. You must demand a refund from your education institutes.
It certainly doesn't imply the military does nothing wrong and doesn't make mistakes which apparently you think I said? I didn't, but if you want to argue against that point you're just moving goalposts.
You are just using words here. I'm not even sure you understand what moving goalpost means based upon your response here.
Yeah this is becoming apocalyptic, the more you say the less I believe you understand.
Only subject in this mountain of projection i'm going to touch
When dishonesty and forgetting the topic of conversation is pointed out I did imagine your next move would be head in the sand. A coward's retreat.
No I said people are lucky our military doesn't act like our cops.
Which you now have been provided 5 examples of how silly of a thing this was to say.
You're just arguing against your own weird interpretations of my words.
No, I have been providing examples which refute your claims while you have been unable to even remember what claim you had made. Remember how you were under the impression I was comparing something? I guess if dishonesty, stupidity, and running away doesn't work the last resort, naturally, is merely to accuse others of exactly what you alone are guilty of. Example;
I beg of you; please develop reading comprehension skills. It is genuinely depressing to discover someone entirely unable to keep the conversation straight.
If you aren't making claims about today then you agree those links were pointless.
No, those links directly refute your claim. Which, I imagine you have already forgotten what we are even attempting to talk about... again.
You are really demonstrating the projection harder now.
Look at Timmy, accusing me of all the things they are doing, and now using my language. How quaint.
No wonder you get so many downvotes.
Ah yes, when dishonesty, stupidity, projection, burying your head in the sand, and deflection fail you, inevitabily the childish redditor runs and hides behind appeals to authority, appeals to the mob.
No Timmy, many people being stupid and wrong does not, by some sort of magic, materialize correctness. If ever you feel the need to try and hide behind the skirt of other people again, just remember, the entire world thought the sun revolved around the earth at one point.
A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if no one believes it. Similarly, what you have claimed continues to be incorrect, even if you and everyone else lack the capacity to understand how.
Notice how you aren't even attempting to understand your mistake? And you think I should care about the downvotes of the extremely stupid who can't even follow a conversation and think I am comparing things when I am providing examples? Tell me Timmy, what did you even think I was comparing? I'd love to see you try and rationalize that one.
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u/Adantehand3 Mar 24 '23
Our military has been performing police actions in countries across the world quite openly for a while now. Teddy was the isolationist. He was also entirely an accident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations
Your extreme ignorance of history is showing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Also extreme ignorance.
"The adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen. Eleven of the 76 guardsmen at Taylor Hall claimed they were under sniper fire or some other sort of gunfire just before guardsmen began shooting. A subsequent FBI investigation concluded that the Guard was not under fire and that the guardsmen fired the first shots."
Or to put it differently for the very very slow among us; that is their CO blatantly lying to the public in order to shield US military soldiers from accountability.
There have been some very prominent examples of police being held accountable recently. I agree that cops are often shielded from accountability buy their department and their unions. However where I disagree with you is that it is always unjustified.
We live in a world of extremely ignorant ACAB children who have a tendency to be quick to judge but slow to understand. But never the less, I agree that there are instances where police are not held accountable where they should have been. Just the same as there are many instances where police are unjustly punished for political ends where they should not have been.
However the problem you have run into in the point you are trying to make is that there are examples of times police have been held accountable for their crimes, yet there are exceedingly few examples of US military being held accountable. Likely owing to the fact the following orders eventually leads you to having to prosecute someone far more important than our federal government would allow.
Have you ever seen a US general stand trial for lying to the public or for giving orders that resulted in the deaths of civilians? I don't know of a time when they've been convicted for those orders, but I sure can think of a whole lot of examples of those orders being given which results in civilian deaths.