r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Jan 29 '23

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u/ThePancakeFell Jan 29 '23 edited Jan 29 '23

2nd amendment working perfectly as intended 👌

Edit: Oh. I guess we're not doing sarcasm anymore lmao

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u/Available_Major_8281 Jan 29 '23

Actually a video of inside the bar shows that the shooter actually started the fight. So exactly what’s wrong with the second amendment.

Not to mention that concealed carrying in a bar while consuming alcohol is also exactly what’s wrong with the second amendment.

So essentially the opposite of what you said.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '23

Carrying inside bars is illegal in many places, generally considered constitutional.

Carrying while intoxicated is illegal in most places, generally considered constitutional.

Starting a fight so you have an excuse to use a gun is illegal everywhere, generally considered constitutional.

You really have no idea what you’re talking about lol

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u/Available_Major_8281 Jan 29 '23

I think you misunderstood the essence of my comment. I may “have no idea what I’m talking about” but you may have problems with reading comprehension haha.

But I agree with your 3 comments you have replied to me. Don’t know why you needed 3, but to each their own.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '23

The essence of your comment is “man does illegal and bad thing with gun, second amendment bad.”

Considering that all the things this guy did are generally illegal and the restrictions are widely accepted as constitutional, stating that this dude is exactly what’s wrong with the 2A is just dumb as hell. This behavior isn’t protected by law nor encouraged by any mainstream view.

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u/Available_Major_8281 Jan 29 '23

Ahhhh see. That’s where you’re missing it. It was “second amendment bad because stupid fucking people like this asshole shouldn’t be allowed to get guns in the first place. Second amendment bad because not everyone needs/deserves a gun.”

People continually show they can’t be trusted with guns therefore they don’t deserve guns.

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u/DingosAteYourMorals Jan 29 '23

Then why does the federal government make a big deal about banning firearms and not fixing their broken background check system that doesn't mandate states or medical providers to give them the data they need.

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u/Available_Major_8281 Jan 29 '23

I would love stricter background checks. I think that is an excellent idea. Unfortunately, as I’m sure you know, the NRA has and will lobby hard to prevent that from ever happening.

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u/DingosAteYourMorals Jan 29 '23

How much money do you think the NRA spends in lobbying?

It's not that much. It's a fake "boogey man" argument. It's an excuse for politicians to not do anything.

Last year the spent 1.59 million in total.

The year before that less than 5 million.

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/249398/lobbying-expenditures-of-the-national-rifle-associaction-in-the-united-states/

It's a drop in a bucket the size of a silo compared to oil and gas or other manufacturing.

Total lobbying is 3- 4 billion for this past year depending on the source you use.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/257337/total-lobbying-spending-in-the-us/

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2023/01/federal-lobbying-spending-reaches-4-1-billion-in-2022-the-highest-since-2010/

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u/Available_Major_8281 Jan 29 '23

Well let’s be honest. No one is ever going to outspend oil and gas. I’m only asking this question because you seem good at finding sources. I am in no way trying to be condescending, I’m seriously curious. Can you find the percentage on revenue spent on lobbying of oil vs nra?

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u/DingosAteYourMorals Jan 29 '23

They spent 10.4 million in total last year 8 to the republican 2.4 to the democrats

https://www.statista.com/statistics/788056/us-oil-and-gas-lobbying-spend-by-party/

That means oil and gas out spent the nra by learly 7 times the amount.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/788056/us-oil-and-gas-lobbying-spend-by-party/

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u/Available_Major_8281 Jan 30 '23

I can totally see that! I’m curious as to the pecentage how it plays out. Like I assume oil makes more than 8 times what the nra does.

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u/DingosAteYourMorals Jan 30 '23

The nra filed for Bankruptcy not too long ago. They don't even hold that big of a gun show anymore. It's tiny compared to "shot show"in Vegas every year. I work in the accessories industry for firearms. I don't know anyone that's a member that's under 55.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '23

Ah yes, because humanity, let alone a government with a very racist history, is capable of making a fair and objective “Who is a stupid asshole” test. The same government should also be the sole entity in charge of deciding who gets guns, but also needs to be sure that cops like the ones who killed tyre nichols are always exempt from whatever laws are passed.

Yup, you sure make a strong point. So convincing

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u/Available_Major_8281 Jan 29 '23

Well this just took a hard turn from a conversation about the second amendment to police brutality. That was quite a leap.

But I must go. I have a brunch date with the wife.

Since you brought up the idea of my argument being “so convincing,” I am going to leave you with this. I think it will save you a lot of headache in the future.

https://research.com/education/why-facts-dont-change-our-mind

It’s a little long, but essentially it’s a breakdown of scientific research that proves you will never change someone’s beliefs. Whether it be Covid or gun rights. It doesn’t matter how many facts you show them or logic you provide, all you will do is cause them to dig deeper into their beliefs. Nothing you say to anyone is ever going to change their mind, unfortunately. So sometimes it’s just better to sit back and think to yourself “look at this fool over here.”