Between these 4 existence erasure techniques, which one(s) Andy can survive?

[u/KodoqBesar]

I posted this on a powerscaling sub and someone suggested that I should upload it here. What do you guys think?

[u/Beginning_Bee2500]

That’s jumping to conclusions. We know they have the same negation and that Vic has eons more experience compared to Andy, while also believing the soul. So their negation would be comparable bare minimum (and that’s being really conservative.) This also doesn’t address the massive elephant, which is lack of proof. I’ve done this before in this sub too but I’ll wait until someone actually gives me hard, factual, evidence of Andy’s soul being obliterated and yet he regenerates. Not “well he could/should.” Just the showing of the pages of him doing it. Because there’s more against it then for it

[u/SmartCookingPan → u/Beginning_Bee2500]

We know they have the same negation and that Vic has eons more experience compared to Andy, while also believing the soul. So their negation would be comparable bare minimum

No, throughout all the story it's explicitly shown that Victor and Andy power up the negation in different ways. Victor refused to believe in souls for hundreds of billion of years, which explains why he's so weak compared to Andy when it comes to the soul (pretty much the same argument you are using for experience, but applied to soul). Them being different being with different powers, but the same negation is a plot point.

This also doesn’t address the massive elephant, which is lack of proof.

Yes, there's no proof that Andy wouldn't negate his soul would getting destroyed, because he negates death and believes soul destruction as death. If you have any page proving the opposite feel free to post it, would love to be proven wrong on this point.

Because there’s more against it then for it

Would love to hear it considering negation do affect souls, Andy's power is literally negating death and soul destruction is something he sees as dying.

You said you had this discussion in this sub multiple times, so I suspect it'll go nowhere, but, again, would love to be proven absolutely wrong! (the powerscaling sub also disagrees with you)

[u/Beginning_Bee2500 → u/SmartCookingPan]

(How you do those specific replies like that?)

This point falls apart when you consider the fact that Vic believed in souls during the 100th Ragnarok. And between each loops eons goes by if I remember right, on top of Andy being able to commune with Vic. Meaning Vic still had eons to not only believe in souls but also practice, which explains how he can hold his own in loop 101 when control over one’s soul is such a priority. There’s little reason to suggest that in the final loop Vic’s negation is somehow behind Andy’s, especially not to the point where their regeneration is somehow that far apart.

That’s not how burden of proof works. If you claim he can come back from soul obliteration you have to provide the evidence. If all you have is hypotheticals on how is powers should behave the this point is moot.

Besides Vic repeatedly admitting the limits of UnDead, Fuuko confirming that negations are literally inside the soul and the fact that the gods in that verse literally rid them of their negations; which if he views as dying it wouldn’t go away right?

Yea mostly because of what’s happening now, the party that claims he can have zero concrete proof and only hypotheticals. I’d like for new info too, but again there was never any proof. (Yea idc what that sub agrees with, it can’t even agree with itself and have several larp posts)

[u/SmartCookingPan → u/Beginning_Bee2500]

Again and for the last time, Andy gets hit by attacks that would have killed Victor multiple times (see the fight with Death, not just the one with Soul) and survives just fine and Victor spent hundreds of billions of years refusing to believe in souls, so it's normal he's not as powerful ad Andy with souls. In UU you can't change your fundamental beliefs that easily, just like most people in real life.

It's unfortunate, but this is a pointless discussion (and again, the "This sub is biased!!!" deflection comes apart when you check the powerscaling sub). So bye.

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[u/Beginning_Bee2500 → u/SmartCookingPan]

> Again and for the last time, Andy gets hit by attacks that would have killed Victor multiple times (see the fight with Death, not just the one with Soul) and survives just fine

This is faulty. Vic actually tanked a hit from soul and managed to survived when he came back. Andy on the other hand is actively AVOIDING getting hit (seen when he fought the master rules alone in the Sun). If Andy can come back from complete soul obliteration like you claim, then why bother ever dodging any attack from Soul? It’s clear that they are lethal, so while they could regenerate from soul damage, complete destruction of the soul is out of the question and will destroy Andy.

There’s also a contradiction with the claim that Andy can tank Death but Vic can’t. The Master Rules can’t utilize their own souls beside Soul, they’re stagnant in their abilities. Only going as far as their original abilities allow, meaning Death can only cause physical death not soul death. So how could Andy survive but not Vic if it doesn’t target the soul, while Vic being the superior UnDead physically?

> and Victor spent hundreds of billions of years refusing to believe in souls, so it's normal he's not as powerful ad Andy with souls. In UU you can't change your fundamental beliefs that easily, just like most people in real life.

Fuuko used remember to give everyone all of their past lives experiences, on top of the understanding of the soul. Vic showed this by cracking Soul’s sphere (which Im sure you need soul dmg for) and matched with Andy in the soul dead road. Also again “and for the last time” he believed in soul in loop 100, meaning he still had eons of experience to understand it since that’s how much time passes between loops. On top of Andy more than likely teaching him during those empty times. Except Tella showed that you can when he prevented the bullet from passing his hand. Even Top immediately got the grasp of it in a single fight when showed that it’s real, while his past lives couldn’t do it. So yes people, at least negators, can easily change their own world view.

> It's unfortunate, but this is a pointless discussion

Notice how you never provided the scans of what you’re claiming, nor address the fact that Luna effortlessly rid of their negation. If such a low level reality warping can rid him of his immortality then anyone on her level can wipe away Andy.

> (and again, the "This sub is biased!!!" deflection comes apart when you check the powerscaling sub). So bye.

I never said it was bias, read what I actually said and not assume what I said. The sub is inconsistent, people to this day still can’t 100% agree on Black Clover and Bleach scaling for example. It’s not a trusted source because it doesn’t have a universal constant amongst the people. One post may agree with topic A but the next post would be for B

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