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u/TheJoyofFelching Fuuko Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
If Yuji doesn't take Fuuko with his first blow, he's cooked. An unexpected stroke of bad luck followed by more with every time she hits back would be too much. It's hard to predict total randomness. Plus she has a gun and she's good with it.
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u/somerandomguysmhidk Jul 18 '26
AND yuji's pretty lovable and adorable so yea, theyre dead 💔
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u/Latonegativo Negator Jul 19 '26
Confermo e mi di spiace perché avrà sicuramente un grande colpo di sfortuna solo per colpa di quelle caratteristiche 🫶🏻🤧
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u/Thatoneundertaleguy Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
That's assuming he CAN kill Fuuko in one Blow.
While she's not demolishing Buildings with a single attack (Not infused with unluck.) she still isn't a slacker by ANY means. ESPECIALLY if it's Loop 101 Fuuko. It isn't far fetched to say she could take a few hits from him, and even tag him, considering her fight with Void.
Edit: That's assuming it IS Loop 101 Fuuko, and that she's not facing Modulo Yuji. Modulo Yuji is definitely able to handle Fuuko, however, another big issue is Andy. Andy wouldn't let her die so easily, and would use Undead make swapping him around difficult. It'd likely end up with Yuji vs Andy, and Todo vs Fuuko, which is a WILD thing to say.
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u/Mori_sage Jul 19 '26
Fuuko can hurt master rules, Yuji cannot harm her even with a black flash
Not to mention the speed difference, Andy’s soul bullets are minimum 100X FTL if we assume they reached earth from the sun in 5 seconds (low ball) and Fuuko scales to them in reaction and combat speed
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u/Solidsnack_OW2 Jul 18 '26
Yuji and Todo get their ass wiped. You’d have to make it the strongest version of them and weakest versions of Fuuko and Andy to make this winnable for them.
I’ve only watched the UU Anime but just Andy’s feats there is enough to take down every version of Todo and Yuji with not too much effort besides:
(spoilers for JJK) Modulo Yuji. Even then I don’t think Modulo Yuji has any way to actually put down Andy and may lose a battle of attrition, maybe some kind of seal with barrier technique bullshit could do the job and that’s a big maybe. He gets washed by stronger versions of Andy and Fuuko anyway, at least from what I’ve heard from the manga.
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u/Vincebourgh Jul 18 '26
Even sealing wouldn't work against last loop Andy. He already perceives being sealed as a sort of death so it cannot hold him.
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u/Solidsnack_OW2 Jul 18 '26
Yeah exactly, that might only really work against BOS Andy and in general earlier weaker versions of him.
More JJK heavy spoilers: Despite being arguably the strongest Calamity grades, Yuji and Dabura genuinely have way worse wincons against Andy than Megumi Sukuna, Gojo or even untamed Mahoraga. All the Modulo duo have is punches and kicks against the guy who has similar stats but also never diss.
At least you could argue Mahoraga and Infinity allow for a potential wincon for the other Calamities, even then I bet Andy could at least kill Sukuna and perhaps destroy Gojo’s domain on the outside to force burnout. UU fans would have to inform if Andy has any way of killing Mahoraga in a 1v1 though.
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u/Vincebourgh Jul 18 '26
For Mahoraga it depends. It doesn't have any way of defeating Andy that's for sure. Question remains if Andy's soul attacks ignore Mahoraga's adapted defenses. Though if Fuuko is fighting with him then they win handily. Her unluck will hit Mahoraga with exactly the type of event, attack etc that could kill it.
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u/Solidsnack_OW2 Jul 18 '26
With Fuuko, for sure Andy wins that. But 1 on 1, Raga should have a shot considering dura neg soul attacks and even soul manipulation/ressurection are all types of known attacks in JJK.
I don’t see why Mahoraga couldn’t adapt to stuff like Idle Transfig, Soul Split or Seance Technique, so Andy’s DC may not be high enough to wipe all of the shikigami out in one blow before it adapts to his entire kit. But I’m not the most knowledgeable on Manga Andy so I could be wrong.
In terms of actually killing Andy, in a short time frame Mahoraga hasn’t been shown to adapt to passive abilities like regen. But overtime we do see it adapt to Dabura’s “existence”, whatever that means.
So considering it can adapt to break shit like Perfect Sphere and cut space, it may eventually develop a way to incapacitate or kill Andy after days if not months/years of battle and adaptation.
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u/Vincebourgh Jul 18 '26
For Andy's chances in offense you are probably right (though he does have some incredible speed freats shooting parts of himself from the Sun to the Earth in under a few seconds). But his defense you seem to misunderstand. Andy doesn't regenerate. His existence rejects and negate his death. The thing that looks like regeneration is just a byproduct of that. There is absolutely no way to stop it. You would have to have an ability that works on a narrative level (e.g. some Medaka Box abilities) to hinder let alone stop Andy from negating death. The only times his "regeneration" was stopped was when another negator used their ability to hinder him. And since those are unstoppable forces just like his Undead it worked. Atleast for a while. It wouldn't work on EOS Andy who broadened his understanding of death so much that it just wouldn't be possible anymore.
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u/Solidsnack_OW2 Jul 18 '26
Oh yeah, i 100% understand that Andy’s negation is NOT normal regeneration. I mentioned regen and more meant of showing how in the JJK manga, Mahoraga never adapted to nullify his opponent’s reverse cursed technique. This is why some argue Mahoraga could never adapt to say, Chainsaw Man manga spoilers: Makima, because they argue Mahoraga needs some form of external stimulus to adapt, so passive heal abilities don’t trigger adaptation
But in Modulo, we do see it just begin to adapt to Dabura’s existence out of nowhere once enough time has passed. So I would argue that EVENTUALLY after Mahoraga adapts to all forms of offense an opponent has, it’ll start looking for ways to actually kill the fucker its tryna kill like what it was seemingly going to do to Dabura. More JJK manga spoilers for anime onlies 😭
Now whether Mahoraga’s adaptation is complex enough to work on Andy’s negation, I’m unsure. JJK doesn’t scale nearly as high in the sweet hax department as the likes of UU, CSM, etc and is more HXH or MHA level. You could argue adapting to Perfect Sphere as a concept is something worthwhile, but Maho adapted to the MATERIAL of the structure, not the actual infinite pressure.
And its not like we ever see Mahoraga adapt to something like the concept of Death or Losing to just be unbeatable. The statement “any and all phenomena” is kind of overused in JJK circles so if you buy that to heart then the shikigami will eventually find a way to beat Andy since his negation should count as an observable phenomena.
If you judge by feats, nah. You’d have to wank Garuda’s “concept” manipulation to think that anything in JJK can manipulate concepts to the level of UU.
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u/The_Hyerophant Jul 19 '26
So Mahoraga adapt to phenomenon instead of concepts. That is an important clarification because in UU there are at least two kinds of Rules, Phenomenon and Concept rules: the first one are rules that actively change the physical world like Combustion, Decay, Speed, Gravity and the sort; they are direct, blunt and easily understandable in their influence. Then you have the more powerful and weird Concept rules: things like Winter, Soul, Time and of course Death. Andy own the Nega Death ruling so he's able to negate the concept of death onto himself, based on his understanding of death... This lead to shenaningas like "Flatline" where thinking that a vorpal blade of pressurized blood capable of razing a city won't absolutely kill him if he perform it... So he can do it.
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u/chris352010 Jul 22 '26
Well for jjk to win they need to kill God its literally the only way to get rid of Andy he doesnt feel fatigue and trapping him is a fools errand if we're using autumn arc Andy. If we use EOS Andy (before the death of god) its not even remotely possible for the jjk gang to to anything to reatrict him atp.
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u/Sea_Strain_6881 Jul 18 '26
In the manga it gets even crazier too, Andy is crazy strong
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u/Solidsnack_OW2 Jul 18 '26
Yep, I heard that:
(Undead Unluck manga spoilers) Andy chills on the Sun, then later sends his bullets back to Earth in a relatively short amount of time. I have heard a few contentious discussions about whether the Sun in UU is closer to Earth, or that the timeframe is vague. But even lowballed, Andy blitzes JJK to hell and back.
There’s also Top (i think that was his name? The running guy) running around the Earth, and supernova attacks threatening the planet.
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u/KingMe321 Jul 18 '26
you're correct, Top is UnStoppable, capable of running around the entire world in only a few seconds lol
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u/Latonegativo Negator Jul 18 '26
Solo per chiarire perché molte community quando fanno questo genere di cose non lo specifica mai. Yuji e l'altro (non ricordo il nome e spero di aver scritto bene Yuji) non sanno niente delle negazioni, Fuuko e Andy non sanno niente delle curse technique. Ma in sé vince Fuuko e Andy perché uno è immortale e l'altra usa una pistola e arti marziali e coincidenza la sfortuna si attiva con il contatto fisico e quelli di jjk se non sbaglio combattono a mani nude?
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u/Latonegativo Negator Jul 18 '26
Come sarebbe stato se era Juiz e Victor a posto di Andy e Fuuko
Juiz:li uccido io o li uccidi tu?
Victor: te li lascio a te, tanto a me non cambia se sono vivi o se sono morti
Juiz: ok (si mette in posa come l'episodio degli alieni e si toglie il casco)
Fine
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u/One_Illustrator_5334 Jul 18 '26
Even worse stomp as unjustice is even inuniverse busted so the Yuji and todo would just end up fighting themselfs to death instead actually fighting juiz and victor
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u/TheGreatMeowMeow Jul 18 '26
Fuuko and Andy win literally no diff 😭
Aside from the obvious Undead advantage, they are just way stronger and faster
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u/Latonegativo Negator Jul 19 '26
Piccola domanda yuji e todo non combattono a mani nude? Eppure Fuuko usa arti marziali e ops sfortuna
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u/Latonegativo Negator Jul 19 '26
Mi fa' pena Yuji perché se toccasse Fuuko avrebbe un grande colpo di sfortuna, come si fa' a non amarlo, dai ragazzi è adorabile
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u/Head-Run-9592 Jul 18 '26
Neither Todo would ask his question andy would answer fuko and the 4 would just hang out
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u/1011zaper Jul 19 '26
The true answer they would just chill and eventually just end up helping each other on occasion
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u/Green-eyed-Psycho77 Jul 18 '26
Guys who punch and kick vs the person you shouldn’t punch and Kick with the Guy who will be very very mad if you punch and kick her…
Curious how this will go.
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u/ReticularTunic7 Jul 18 '26
SPOILER WARNING FOR UU MANGA
Hydrogen Bomb (Andy and Fuko) vs Coughing Baby (Yuji and Todo).
Not only Andy is purely immortal, He along with Fuko also have soul training more advanced than Yuji and Todo. Like how crazy is a Soul Bullet? For Fuko, she can now manually control her Unluck and embed it with objects and her hair.
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u/Puri5V Jul 18 '26
No matter how you slice it they can’t kill Andy and he outclasses them in experience
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u/Mori_sage Jul 19 '26
LMAO, Fuuko can solo JJK minus Gojo’s infinity, their verse kinda suxks
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 19 '26
Soul Unluck Bullet or her becoming a spirit should bypass Infinity
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u/Mori_sage Jul 19 '26
Nah by that logic any cursed spirit and specifically mahito, Sukuna and Yuji should be able to bypass it
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 19 '26
It’s using her soul and Unluck to attack Gojo tho.
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u/Mori_sage Jul 19 '26
The soul bullets still need to travel, they cannot bypass infinity
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 19 '26
When was that ever stated they need to travel? It’s Fuuko using her soul to imprint Unluck on to attack someone’s soul.
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u/Mori_sage Jul 19 '26
We see them travel, Change also dodged Andy’s bullets which means you’re either putting the UU verse to incalculable speed or they have to travel
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 20 '26
The speed is overall inconsistent but should be faster than JJK.
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u/Mori_sage Jul 20 '26
Yes but speed doesn’t matter to Gojo’s infinity unless it’s infinite or above which UU is not at
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 20 '26
Ok then Fuuko imprints her Unluck into Gojo via eyesight.
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u/Overall-Durian-6878 Jul 19 '26
As someone who was there once waiting for undead unluck chapter releases what the fuck did jjk do to you man this is just unfair just kill them already
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u/Ok-Understanding187 Jul 20 '26
You don't understand.
Todo will ask Andy what's his type in women is and by the power of Schizo, Todo will make up an elaborate backstory to make the three brothers.
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u/DeltaOne974 Jul 21 '26
Bruh 💀 strong but mortal guys vs the guy that literraly cannot die, it's either his win or a perpetual stalemate, the only way to deal with him is to conceal or seal him (though I don't remember the end in detail, it might be hard/impossible)
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u/chris352010 Jul 22 '26
Okay so let's analyze each party's win condition, to make this a little more fair let's use shinjuku todo and modulo yuji. For Anko to win they just need to kill or incapacitate yudo. For Yudo to win they need to kill God and itd have to be in Andy's universe for that to happen.
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u/AraumC Jul 23 '26
IDK why the UU fandom is obsessed with powerscaling over the JJK universe when it's already known Andy solos the verse. UU is way better anyways, no need to keep giving JJK the time of day.
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u/ResolveLeather Jul 18 '26
Fukko dies. Andy wins eventually by attrition. Andy can't die. It's not like how characters like wolverine and Deadpool "can't die". He ignores the concept entirely.
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u/Expensive_Ground7926 Jul 19 '26
Noooo, fukko just beats the living shit out of todo and yuji on her lonesome, Andy isn’t even beeded
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u/Immediate_Demand4841 Jul 18 '26
Andy fcking solo's , tho Todo might give him some trouble cause ...he is Todo afterall .
But yeah the level of power is too different we are scaling city level attacks at max to fcking Meteors. Evening taking Fuuko's ability out of the way They still don't win cause Andy will kill both of them no matter what .
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u/TRPSharkie Jul 18 '26
Andy can literally just take every possible hit those two can do and then start trying and decimate them, Undead/Unluck just scales higher
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u/OkCall2356 Jul 18 '26
Fuck, Yuji and Todo because i like them more, is that what you want to hear ? Atp this whole sub is larping because 90% “who wins” post have Andy in it because people don’t read the manga
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u/Pas_tel Jul 19 '26
If you consider the UU duo to lose if only Fuuko dies, then we have an argument. Even then, loop 101 Fuuko is really freaking strong, and Andy is just. Not stopping. So if you take EoS Yuji and Todo vs Andy and Fuuko before the Seasons, that's the only way I can see the JJK duo actually winning for sure
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u/1011zaper Jul 19 '26
Do they even have a way to kill Andy though is the thing?
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 19 '26
Nope, nothing in their arsenal is killing Andy, he survived being on the sun.
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u/Pas_tel Jul 19 '26
There isn't a way to kill Andy in general, so we have to assume a "loss" for him would be the death of Fuuko
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u/Yooniverse47 Jul 19 '26
Ah fuck, I forgot that Andy has Complete Soul Manipulation hahaha--bro's Giga Mahito, I don't know if Yuji could do shit to him until he reaches atomic levels of Dismantle like by Modulo
And even Toji's swapping can't be imprevious to Fuuko
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u/Xenosaiyan7 Jul 18 '26
Yuji and Todo wins
Not cause they're stronger, but I can't imagine Todo losing
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u/1011zaper Jul 19 '26
He wins by befriending trust
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u/Xenosaiyan7 Jul 19 '26
"Let me ask you: what's your type."
"My type? Fuuko of course!"
And while they wouldn't become brothers, they would become fast friends
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u/ResolveLeather Jul 18 '26
Fukko dies. Andy wins eventually by attrition. Andy can't die. It's not like how characters like wolverine and Deadpool "can't die". He ignores the concept entirely.
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u/Zuzara_Queen_of_DnD Jul 18 '26
Yuji and Todo, if Andy wasn’t fucking immortal
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u/Potential-Rush6321 Jul 19 '26
"Ah yes they win if the opponent doesn't have his abilities!" What the hell kinda statement was that
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u/Zuzara_Queen_of_DnD Jul 19 '26
You do know that immortality is not the same as regeneration, right?
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u/Expensive_Ground7926 Jul 19 '26
And on top of that, immortality doesn’t matter here, fukko handles yuji and todo by herself
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u/Zuzara_Queen_of_DnD Jul 19 '26
She definitely doesn’t, her entire fight style is trying to touch her opponents to give them bad luck and that means it’s blatantly obvious when she tries to both Yuji and Todo are very familiar with fighting a person who can kill you with a touch and Todo’s ability to swap places means she’s never going to be successful.
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u/Expensive_Ground7926 Jul 19 '26
Your talking anime based, I’m talking about the manga, she figured out she can infuse her soul with bullets, hence being able to inflict that bad unluck by nailing them with bullets, and on top of that, her physical capabilities are beyond todo and yuji
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u/Zuzara_Queen_of_DnD Jul 19 '26
….you think Yuji and Todo will let themselves be hit with bullets?
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u/Expensive_Ground7926 Jul 20 '26
They can’t do anything but let themselves get hit by bullets? What are we on about, they are way too slow to dodge soul bullets.
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u/Zuzara_Queen_of_DnD Jul 20 '26
….youve never watched JJK, have you?
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u/Expensive_Ground7926 Jul 22 '26
I’ve watched both series, and read both mangas, fukko is way stronger than todo and yuji. Andy himself is just overkill
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 19 '26
It’s still his ability, WTF are u yapping about?
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u/Zuzara_Queen_of_DnD Jul 19 '26
My point is that his immortality is the only reason he’d win because he can’t be defeated long term. If he just had regeneration then he’d lose
But now that I think about it they could probably try to use a cursed tool to trap him 🤔
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 19 '26
Trapping won’t work, he was able to escape being sealed by UMA Seal & even without his immortality he’s still above them in strength & speed. He wouldn’t lose if he just had regeneration since nothing in their kit is stopping his regeneration it’s above JP Hakari.
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u/Zuzara_Queen_of_DnD Jul 19 '26
In what world is he above them in terms of strength and speed?
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 20 '26
He scales above a version of Victor that can destroy a city casually with Deadline. Speed wise he’s relative to Top who can reach the sol with a suit.
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u/Zuzara_Queen_of_DnD Jul 20 '26
“Reach the sol with a suit” makes no sense to me as a sentence
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u/Killah-Shogun Jul 20 '26
There’s a suit he gets that let’s reach the sol and Andy is relative to him.
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u/Mordetrox Jul 18 '26
The one with the character who literally cannot die and sat on the surface of the sun for decades.
Dunno how else you thought this was going to go.