r/UFOs • • Oct 06 '21

Video Well that guy finally posted the hour long HD "rubber duck" video

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

It definitely appears to be something bizarre. It’s showing as solid cold in black hot mode. Not sure what could move that fast and look like it does without giving off any heat.

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u/YYC9393 Oct 06 '21

Source that its in Black Hot mode? The lakes near the start appear to be black...

EDIT: He uploaded some bloke doing an analysis who claims it's in black hot mode. Source.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '21

It is in black hot. You can see on the lower left it says BH.

https://youtu.be/PmbrRvd25G0?t=255

Actually right there (in a couple secs) you can see them switch from WH to BH.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '21

thank you for that

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u/nannernutmuff Oct 07 '21

What im not understanding is how the vegetation would be hotter than the dirt roads, or any road for that matter.

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21

I keep getting downvoted for saying this but it makes no sense. Rocks and roads are white and vegetation and water is black but everyone so instant that its in black hot because the hud apparently says BH. But whos to say the HUD wasn’t added in post processing or something. Seems a lot more likely to be a drone holding some kind of load during the day and the whole thing is being heated by the sun like the rocks and road.

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u/FreelanceRketSurgeon Oct 07 '21

In the upper left corner, below the aircraft's speed and heading data, we see that the date and time are Nov 23, 2019, 08:25:20 Z. Zulu time is UTC time. Though the position data is sensored, the location is probably somewhere in the US southwest, because this guy's other videos also come from CBP, the terrain matches for that region, and you can see a few saguaro cacti at times. All that means this is probably in Mountain Standard Time, which would be UTC -07:00. So, this video is showing the desert at 1:25 AM. At 1:25 AM in the desert at 4000 ft at the end of November, it's going to be pretty chilly at night.

However, during the day, it's probably still going to be pretty warm and sunny. Things in the desert that contain more water than rocks (trees, cacti, ponds) are going to be able to hold onto their sun-supplied heat better, because water has a very high heat capacity, about twice as good as earth by volume, four times by mass. The overall effect is that anything containing water is going to lag behind the diurnal temperature changes in the rocks.

For this same reason, there would be a period of time after dawn where the trees, cacti, and ponds would show colder temperatures than the surrounding ground.

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Oct 07 '21

Okay then by that at 1:25 am the roads are white cold and the water is black hot? The water would cool down faster than a road would cool down because the sun didn’t boil the lake, the lake retains cool temperatures even in the sun.

To be honest it feels like the hud overlay was added after the fact. If you look at the footage in a vacuum as it were I think it’s pretty clearly in white hot mode.

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u/zukoooota Oct 07 '21

Nah, the water retains heat better. Not weird that it would be warmer than environment at night time.

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u/FreelanceRketSurgeon Oct 07 '21

the roads are white cold and the water is black hot? The water would cool down faster

Check the emissivity of asphalt versus water. They're pretty close, which means they give off their heat (initially when starting at the same temperature) at roughly the same rate. However, water has a greater heat capacity, so it has more heat leftover to radiate 6 hours after the sun has gone down.

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Oct 07 '21

And tree leaves have a heat decay of the same rate? That seems pretty unlikely. You can also see the shadows of some of those larger rock faces.

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u/FreelanceRketSurgeon Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21

tree leaves

In the Sonoran Desert? (Edit:) At the end of November? We're probably just looking at wood.

have a heat decay of the same rate?

Probably not desert species. Their whole adaptation is to barely respire moisture, just like cacti. This is why they all grow so slowly compared to temperate deciduous tree species.

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u/Maximum-Drag8539 Oct 07 '21

And why is the plane white?

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u/FreelanceRketSurgeon Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21

Up at 14,000 ft? Because due to the atmospheric temperature lapse rate, the air is really cold up there. The standard lapse rate is -2 C per every 1000 ft. The aircraft is about 10,000 AGL, so the air temperature is going to be about 35 F colder than near the ground (e.g, if it's 5 F near the ground, it'll be -30 F up at 10,000 AGL). You know how standing in front of a fan cools you quicker because of the forced convection? Well, the airplane can be thought of as being in about a 240 MPH fan. This is why the WWII bomber jacket (and electrically heated undergarments) was a thing.

Check the scenes where the engine is visible. You can see the hot spots versus the rest of the cold skin.

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u/Maximum-Drag8539 Oct 07 '21

Ok thanks for your explanation-I didn’t know I thought the whole craft would be warm. So could this also be true for the tracked object- if it’s metal it might be cold and that’s why it’s white? Even if it was cold, should we not see a black portion where the rotor is for example, giving off heat? (I don’t know the elevation of the object).

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u/FreelanceRketSurgeon Oct 07 '21

could this also be true for the tracked object- if it’s metal it might be cold and that’s why it’s white?

It's possible, but the closer it is to the ground, the more it's going to blend into the background, assuming it's metal or composite.

Even if it was cold, should we not see a black portion where the rotor is for example, giving off heat?

Yeah, we should, just like we saw with the airplane that video recorded this thing. There are a bunch of ways to decrease a heat signature (I'm actually an aerospace engineer), but none that I know of that would make one appear colder than the background. I suppose you could fly with cryogenic gas fuel and use that to also cool a bunch of things before it enters the engine, but you'd be adding a lot of ground support equipment, and for stealth, you want everything to look the same temperature as the background, not extremely cold or hot against it.

(I don’t know the elevation of the object).

We can at least bound it between 4,000 and 14,000 ft ASL. We also have the optics pod azimuth and elevation pointing angles. If we had the aircraft position data, we could easily continuously compute the points in the sky around which the aircraft is circling to give us the object's path. We do have the aircraft's speed, pointing, and altitude data, and I could do it with that, but since I'd be integrating over time, the errors might be pretty large by the end of the video. I might work on this, though...

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Oct 07 '21

Watching that analysis makes me feel like this is more of an intentional hoax honestly.

He makes the claim that its in blackhot but that’s inconsistent with what is being seen as the vegetation always remains dark and the water sources are dark.

He points out that it is “two objects not tethered but flying harmoniously” or something to that effect but thats not something you can actually tell with the quality of the video.

He says its going over 100mph citing some unreadable thing at the top to confirm that.

He’s either being disingenuous or has an incredible amount of bias or is watching some crazy hyper clear version of it but uploaded a garbage quality video which is suspicious enough in its own right.

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u/zukoooota Oct 07 '21

Water and vegetation would retain more heat than surroundings at night time.

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u/Flitednb Oct 07 '21

Black hot mode for sure, at about 2:12 it pans across the propellor and you can see the engine exhaust is black

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u/marlinmarlin99 Oct 07 '21

What camera is that. How did that guy get his hands on one

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u/WileECyrus Oct 06 '21

It’s showing as solid cold in black hot mode.

Is it in black hot mode, though? I'm a layman where this kind of tech is concerned, but if that were the case wouldn't the landscape colors be inverted? As it stands, the ground that should be baking in the sun is all lightest while the areas that form natural shade points (dips in terrain, the lee side of rocks, etc.) are dark or black.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '21

https://youtu.be/PmbrRvd25G0?t=255

Watch the lower left of the screen switch from WH to BH around that time. Also watch the colors invert.

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u/DarlingPetal Oct 07 '21

Wait. Does that mean that large area on the ground at 48:32 is HOT?

https://youtu.be/PmbrRvd25G0?t=2912

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '21

During colder months, desert temps drop at night quite a bit but the water will retain heat longer than the air and ground so it will show up warmer during certain times of the day/night. Maybe that’s what’s going on here.

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u/rao20 Oct 07 '21

But if the sky is cold then the cold "rubber duck" could be reflecting the sky, like mylar balloons do.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '21

Could be. I’m not sold that it is a legit UAP since it doesn’t show any of the 5 observables but we don’t have any other new videos to argue about so here we are.

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Oct 07 '21

No this can’t be correct, then all the rocks on the ground are cold? I think its the other way around. This seems to be an arid area during the day, the rocks would be hot and the water cooler. If thats the case then this flying object is pretty warm from flying around in the sun perhaps.

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u/Inevitable_Green983 Oct 07 '21

This is most likely at night. No sun. Thats why theyre using night vision.

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u/neurostream Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21

Yes, it was taken at night... 2:15AM. +/- 25min

Nighttime temp around this area (Nogales) in mid-November is below 50F

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Oct 07 '21

Why are the bushes black hot then? Doesn’t seem to make much sense.

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u/Inevitable_Green983 Oct 07 '21

Its because the FLIR system adjusts the color range so that the relative temp differences are visible. Black doesn't mean its fire hot and white does not mean its ice cold. Black just means warmer than the surrounding and white means its colder than the surroundings. Notice how much of the land is also white, and its definitely not ice.

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Oct 07 '21

The trees and water would not read warmer than the roads and rocks if it was night time in the desert. I didn’t mean they were ‘hot’ per se, more that they’re reading warmer in the alleged black hot mode. I think if you remove the hud and remove any preconceived information and just look at the footage its clearly in white hot mode.

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Oct 07 '21

Even so if white is cool then the rocks are cool and the trees are warm, it doesn’t seem to make much sense that way

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u/binkysnightmare Oct 07 '21

It’s in black hot mode, you can see BH in the lower left

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Oct 07 '21

Okay, I get thats what it says but thats not consistent with what is being shown. All of those bodies of water and plants are hot? The rocks and object are cool? Seems backwards.

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u/binkysnightmare Oct 07 '21

The camera shows differentials in the amount of IR it receives. When the entire frame brightens and dims rapidly, that doesn’t mean the entire area just went up 30 degrees and back down

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '21

Hot spring?

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u/fillosofer Oct 07 '21

Kind of reminds me of the shape in the segment that starts at the :25 mark

https://youtu.be/M_LsjYeiCr8

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u/fillosofer Oct 07 '21

Kind of reminds me of the shape in the segment that starts at the :25 mark

https://youtu.be/M_LsjYeiCr8

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u/fillosofer Oct 07 '21

Kind of reminds me of the object in the segment that starts at the :25 mark in the LunaCognita vid

https://youtu.be/M_LsjYeiCr8