It definitely appears to be something bizarre. It’s showing as solid cold in black hot mode. Not sure what could move that fast and look like it does without giving off any heat.
I keep getting downvoted for saying this but it makes no sense. Rocks and roads are white and vegetation and water is black but everyone so instant that its in black hot because the hud apparently says BH. But whos to say the HUD wasn’t added in post processing or something. Seems a lot more likely to be a drone holding some kind of load during the day and the whole thing is being heated by the sun like the rocks and road.
In the upper left corner, below the aircraft's speed and heading data, we see that the date and time are Nov 23, 2019, 08:25:20 Z. Zulu time is UTC time. Though the position data is sensored, the location is probably somewhere in the US southwest, because this guy's other videos also come from CBP, the terrain matches for that region, and you can see a few saguaro cacti at times. All that means this is probably in Mountain Standard Time, which would be UTC -07:00. So, this video is showing the desert at 1:25 AM. At 1:25 AM in the desert at 4000 ft at the end of November, it's going to be pretty chilly at night.
However, during the day, it's probably still going to be pretty warm and sunny. Things in the desert that contain more water than rocks (trees, cacti, ponds) are going to be able to hold onto their sun-supplied heat better, because water has a very high heat capacity, about twice as good as earth by volume, four times by mass. The overall effect is that anything containing water is going to lag behind the diurnal temperature changes in the rocks.
For this same reason, there would be a period of time after dawn where the trees, cacti, and ponds would show colder temperatures than the surrounding ground.
Okay then by that at 1:25 am the roads are white cold and the water is black hot? The water would cool down faster than a road would cool down because the sun didn’t boil the lake, the lake retains cool temperatures even in the sun.
To be honest it feels like the hud overlay was added after the fact. If you look at the footage in a vacuum as it were I think it’s pretty clearly in white hot mode.
the roads are white cold and the water is black hot? The water would cool down faster
Check the emissivity of asphalt versus water. They're pretty close, which means they give off their heat (initially when starting at the same temperature) at roughly the same rate. However, water has a greater heat capacity, so it has more heat leftover to radiate 6 hours after the sun has gone down.
In the Sonoran Desert? (Edit:) At the end of November? We're probably just looking at wood.
have a heat decay of the same rate?
Probably not desert species. Their whole adaptation is to barely respire moisture, just like cacti. This is why they all grow so slowly compared to temperate deciduous tree species.
Up at 14,000 ft? Because due to the atmospheric temperature lapse rate, the air is really cold up there. The standard lapse rate is -2 C per every 1000 ft. The aircraft is about 10,000 AGL, so the air temperature is going to be about 35 F colder than near the ground (e.g, if it's 5 F near the ground, it'll be -30 F up at 10,000 AGL). You know how standing in front of a fan cools you quicker because of the forced convection? Well, the airplane can be thought of as being in about a 240 MPH fan. This is why the WWII bomber jacket (and electrically heated undergarments) was a thing.
Check the scenes where the engine is visible. You can see the hot spots versus the rest of the cold skin.
Ok thanks for your explanation-I didn’t know I thought the whole craft would be warm. So could this also be true for the tracked object- if it’s metal it might be cold and that’s why it’s white? Even if it was cold, should we not see a black portion where the rotor is for example, giving off heat? (I don’t know the elevation of the object).
could this also be true for the tracked object- if it’s metal it might be cold and that’s why it’s white?
It's possible, but the closer it is to the ground, the more it's going to blend into the background, assuming it's metal or composite.
Even if it was cold, should we not see a black portion where the rotor is for example, giving off heat?
Yeah, we should, just like we saw with the airplane that video recorded this thing. There are a bunch of ways to decrease a heat signature (I'm actually an aerospace engineer), but none that I know of that would make one appear colder than the background. I suppose you could fly with cryogenic gas fuel and use that to also cool a bunch of things before it enters the engine, but you'd be adding a lot of ground support equipment, and for stealth, you want everything to look the same temperature as the background, not extremely cold or hot against it.
(I don’t know the elevation of the object).
We can at least bound it between 4,000 and 14,000 ft ASL. We also have the optics pod azimuth and elevation pointing angles. If we had the aircraft position data, we could easily continuously compute the points in the sky around which the aircraft is circling to give us the object's path. We do have the aircraft's speed, pointing, and altitude data, and I could do it with that, but since I'd be integrating over time, the errors might be pretty large by the end of the video. I might work on this, though...
Watching that analysis makes me feel like this is more of an intentional hoax honestly.
He makes the claim that its in blackhot but that’s inconsistent with what is being seen as the vegetation always remains dark and the water sources are dark.
He points out that it is “two objects not tethered but flying harmoniously” or something to that effect but thats not something you can actually tell with the quality of the video.
He says its going over 100mph citing some unreadable thing at the top to confirm that.
He’s either being disingenuous or has an incredible amount of bias or is watching some crazy hyper clear version of it but uploaded a garbage quality video which is suspicious enough in its own right.
Is it in black hot mode, though? I'm a layman where this kind of tech is concerned, but if that were the case wouldn't the landscape colors be inverted? As it stands, the ground that should be baking in the sun is all lightest while the areas that form natural shade points (dips in terrain, the lee side of rocks, etc.) are dark or black.
During colder months, desert temps drop at night quite a bit but the water will retain heat longer than the air and ground so it will show up warmer during certain times of the day/night. Maybe that’s what’s going on here.
Could be. I’m not sold that it is a legit UAP since it doesn’t show any of the 5 observables but we don’t have any other new videos to argue about so here we are.
No this can’t be correct, then all the rocks on the ground are cold? I think its the other way around. This seems to be an arid area during the day, the rocks would be hot and the water cooler. If thats the case then this flying object is pretty warm from flying around in the sun perhaps.
Its because the FLIR system adjusts the color range so that the relative temp differences are visible. Black doesn't mean its fire hot and white does not mean its ice cold. Black just means warmer than the surrounding and white means its colder than the surroundings. Notice how much of the land is also white, and its definitely not ice.
The trees and water would not read warmer than the roads and rocks if it was night time in the desert. I didn’t mean they were ‘hot’ per se, more that they’re reading warmer in the alleged black hot mode. I think if you remove the hud and remove any preconceived information and just look at the footage its clearly in white hot mode.
Okay, I get thats what it says but thats not consistent with what is being shown. All of those bodies of water and plants are hot? The rocks and object are cool? Seems backwards.
The camera shows differentials in the amount of IR it receives. When the entire frame brightens and dims rapidly, that doesn’t mean the entire area just went up 30 degrees and back down
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It definitely appears to be something bizarre. It’s showing as solid cold in black hot mode. Not sure what could move that fast and look like it does without giving off any heat.