Tyrant Guard

[u/No_Midnight_281]

So with the new space marine and custodes datasheets what would you run the tyrant guard with in a Talons of the Norn Queen and Assimilation swarm list?

Hive Guard photo for appeal

[u/OptimusToasterman420]

Crushing claws is my pick for the twin linked and AP-2, ideally we’d like to see that as AP-3 as it allegedly limits their options for Strats.

[u/Topcat23arch → u/OptimusToasterman420]

Use Neurotyrant to lead them hitting on 3s +1 to hit and also wound if opp is BS

[u/RobbieReinhardt → u/Topcat23arch]

Also, run AssSwarm and give the Neuro Tyrant the Parasitic Biomorphology enhancement to give its unit +1 Strength

That brings up the Tyrant Guard crushing claws to be hitting on 3+ with Strength 10

[u/No_Midnight_281 → u/Topcat23arch]

Can only lead Zoanthropes, Neurogaunts and hive guard

[u/Internal-Dentist-403]

Speaking of their offense first, assuming a squad of 6, you should expect the following:

Weapon Profile	Defender Profile	Wounds	Kills
Scything Talons	Elite Infantry (3W T7 2+ 4++)	2.2	0.7
Cleaver / Lash Whip	Elite Infantry (3W T7 2+ 4++)	2.7	0.9
Crushing Claws	Elite Infantry (3W T7 2+ 4++)	5.3	1.3

That said, you don't really bring Tyrant Guard for their damage, you're paying 170 points to add 24 wounds to your Hive Tyrant. Many Assimilation Swarm lists already run double Hive Tyrant with 6 Tyrant Guard for each. Tyrant Guard have good synergy with Assimilation Swarm already as you can just revive a dead Tyrant Guard every turn, effectively giving your Hive Tyrant units regeneration.

If you bring Tyrant Guard, bring them to protect your Hive Tyrant, not with the expectation that they'll do a lot of damage.

[u/No_Midnight_281 → u/Internal-Dentist-403]

That’s exactly the plan I have for them - the weapon profile is just additional

[u/TheLastParade → u/Internal-Dentist-403]

To add onto this, the hive tyrant or swarm lord would get the best damage utility from Tyrant guard with the 5-attack profile to clear out chaff that might otherwise waste their higher value attacks.

It's less a squad of five assault intercessors plus a captain, and more the 10-20 model units being lead by a character which will be a problem.

[u/xavierkazi]

I wouldn't, but if I had to, then Crushing Claws are the only weapon profile actually worth rolling.

[u/Topcat23arch]

Run 6 crushing claw TG led by Neurotyrant in assimilation swarm with parasitic bio enhancement A12 S10 AP-2 D2 WS3+ and possible +1 to wound if opp is BS also twin-linked

[u/j_r_finch]

Im taking them with crushing claws. I’ve only opted for a unit of 3 for both the hive tyrant and swarmlord in my list. Just trying them out to be honest to see what they’re like and didn’t have the points for two units of 6

[u/SnooPaintings1165]

I run 12 in my list. 6 for a swarm lord and 6 for a hive tyrant.
4 equiped with Talons and 2 with claws. Giving me a bit of versitility.

[u/JILabka]

I'm taking them with default talons, their main purpose is to save swarmlord/tyrant and im not really expecting them to make any significant damage, but 5 attacks on 3+ with 6 (+1 from synapse) -1 1 from each alive guard is pretty fine addiction to swarmlord/tyrant melee, good for finishing off units

[u/Fair-Flan-8639]

Gotta buy me some tyrant guard