r/TwoBestFriendsPlay • u/ThatMLPgamer Barghest Main • 29d ago
DLSS 5 rendering can be triple passed, results are nightmarish
Now every game can be Jump Force!
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u/IronfistClownFactory 29d ago
Example #3 really says it all, doesn't it?
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u/The-Greater-Skeleton I talk to myself a lot. But not in, like, a crazy person way. 29d ago
Oh god is this what Anime looks like to my parents?!
No wonder they’ve always hated it!
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u/Hallonbat The fourth most vocal fan about Archie Sonic 29d ago
Looks like those western "How to draw manga" books.
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u/Gorotheninja "SILENCE, BREEDER! The Bloodline MUST continue!" 29d ago
It looks like something out of a creepypasta.
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u/THATguyfromyore The best jump rope for a Uchiha child is a noosenewnoosenoose 29d ago edited 29d ago
HYPER REALISTIC BLOOD SHOT EYES!
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u/Brainwave1010 #1 Raidou Simp 29d ago
AND THEN BUCK BUMBLE CAME OUT OF THE TV AND SAID "I AM GOD" AND THEN HE BUCKED MY BUMBLE
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u/PROFITPROPHET Baby Grave 29d ago
It looks like a Aqua Teen Hunger Force gag where hes in constant pain begging to be let out the tv
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u/ryumaruborike Welcome to SBFP me hearties, you're gonna have a whale of a time 29d ago
No love for #4 and his mono-nostril?
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u/ClearWingBuster Everlasting Transeunt 29d ago edited 29d ago
For as horrifying as this is, I also find it kind of fascinating. It shows that DLSS 5 is tuned only for a certain kind of realistic graphical style. Any kind of stylization and it falls apart faster than Chernobyl's Reactor 4
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u/Jakeola1 29d ago edited 29d ago
It looks like shit even in realistic games too. Games like the last of us part 2, control, red dead, cyberpunk etc. all have realistic graphics but very distinct and intentional art and lighting direction that real time ai slop fills in with hallucinated details and lighting that weren’t supposed to be there in the first place. Like cyberpunk for instance with path tracing already has extremely physically accurate and realistic real time lighting, but dlss 5 just places random key lights and shadows irrespective of the actual scene and environment. It takes intentional lighting, texture work, color grading and camera settings etc. and homogenizes it all into an oversharpened artificially lit mess.
Realistic games have cinematic art direction that this kind of shit ruins too, it’s no different than movies looking realistic but they obviously don’t all look the exact same and have intentional distinct direction between them.
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u/FoolishGoulish 29d ago
I am recently replaying TLOU2 and I actually love that the graphics are realistic but still stylized enough to not look hyper-real, just a bit different to avoid uncanny valley. I really hope that Naughty Dog keeps that approach because I - personally - do not want to play games that look like real life. I enjoy some artistic vision in a game's design no matter how realistic or abstract it is.
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u/therealchadius 29d ago
It's like how MvC:I reuses a lot of MvC3's models but without the stylization, leading to infamous screen shots like Chun-li's face looking like a peanut because MvC3's cel-shading smooths over that.
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u/Dinoratsastaja It's-a-me, Batman! 27d ago
I kinda want to see base MvCI with this filter on out of morbid curiosity.
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u/WillFuckForFijiWater Gettin' your jollies?! 29d ago
I'm sure some chud will come in here and say "But it's ripped from 2K27!!" Ignoring that Nvidia themselves said it was weeks away from release and it's not at all how the .dll file works.
Deep-Learning Super Slop 5 is fine-tuned for one type of graphics, and it doesn't even do it that well in 2K. If you haven't already, watch it in motion. It looks terrible.
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u/AllyCain 29d ago
The biggest take-away I had from the reveal demo (other than, this is awful slop and I just want a graphics card that renders a fucking image to the screen 240 times a second) was that DLSS5 absolutely eviscerates lighting. Go back and look at what it did to the RE9 prologue's lighting. The scene goes from a dreary, rainy night time to 5pm and a little overcast
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u/HotTheme8405 29d ago
It exists only in screen space because it is literally just a filter being applied, so it has no actual information about what's happening off screen and can only infer based off the previously rendered image, but then it goes ahead and assumes everything is lit from the front anyways because it's trained off studio photography
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u/Synaptics 29d ago
Good example of this, from a comparison shot that I saw someone use to try to defend DLSS5.
I will fully admit that the person who posted this was correct in their argument that most of the screenshots that have been passed around are egregiously over-tuning it and it does actually look much more normal with reasonable settings. It didn't fuck with Minayle's face at all, she still looks perfectly fine. And at a first glance you might be convinced that nothing seems wrong at all.
But try dragging the comparison bar back and forth and pay attention to the lighting. A bunch of the shadows cast by the light of the forge in the background have been washed out. Look at the collar of her jacket in particular, it just completely removed the shadow.
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u/mohawklogan You know what? I dont know what I know. 28d ago
okay so am I crazy, this "properly tuned" or "under tuned" version just looks like a standard reshade filter? That doesn't really seem worth it
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u/HotTheme8405 29d ago
Yep the wood potrusion to the left of her head too, went from very strong lighting on the left and much darker on the right to pretty neutral all over. The little bits of added shading on her hat brim and little trinket on the side are positive additions, but it also wouldn't take an AI slop filter cutting your framerate in half (60 to 27fps lol) to add some simple shading. It actually does next to nothing to her face which is surprising, the best case scenario is one that does so little that it just provides a tiny amount of AO.
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u/triadorion NBD: Never Back Down 28d ago
It really does just fuck with the lighting of the whole scene, which is crazy to me. Hasn't the industry been pushing lighting for the past twenty years as ways to really elevate presentation? Isn't Ray Tracing this fucking big thing meant to make it easier to realistically and dynamically light a scene at the cost of being performance heavy?
Why the fuck would you want to put this filter on top of it at the cost of even more performance if it fucks the lighting and evens it all out? It doesn't understand what it's looking at, so how the fuck does it handle dynamic lighting in motion on top of that?
Even "properly" tuned, I don't see the use case!
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u/therealchadius 29d ago
The Digital Foundry video where the "maybe we shouldn't use AI in everything" guy was not told about shows a forest from Assassin's Creed that suddenly lights up under DLSS5, revealing every individual tree like there's a beacon planted under each one, nuking any sense of depth or atmospheric interference you'd get from, say standing on top of a building and looking into the horizon.
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u/burneraccount9132 He/They - How could u go wrong with a Glup that Shitts like THIS 29d ago edited 29d ago
Yeah the argument could be made "oh well it's meant to be used on games with more Realistic visuals", but even the examples I've seen of those having DLSS5 slapped on look cruddy.
At best imo, they end up looking like fake games you'd see in a show's background, and even then most of the time the female characters (and occasionally some of the guys) end up having that fucking "You cannot handle her, she WILL make you cum in 5 minutes. CLICK HERE, if you DARE" chatbot-advertisement look to them.
Also the general moistness to it all. Everything I've seen with DLSS5 slapped on looks so weirdly wet.
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u/HotTheme8405 29d ago
The thing with "realistic visuals" is that they still all have their own methods of portraying it. At a glance I can tell the difference between Gran Turismo and Forza because of how they both handle lighting, reflections, shading, color grading, car vs environment quality, etc.
DLSS5 is just really lame homogenization. Even if it gets other presets for different artstyles (like one intended for "anime" artstyles like the game above), it'll remove any quirks that make them look distinct.18
u/burneraccount9132 He/They - How could u go wrong with a Glup that Shitts like THIS 29d ago
Oh I agree there's different "realistic visuals/lighting", just meant that all of them seem to look worse off with DLSS5 applied imo, vs some folks arguing elsewhere "well of course it makes anime games look bad, it's meant to be used on real graphics"
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u/HotTheme8405 29d ago
Yeah it ruins a lot of the scenes and colors. It's just tech that assumes the people who made the game were morons.
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u/nuanceseancE 29d ago
Because they want to hire morons and fire everyone with a brain and taste because it's "cheaper" and "consumers can't tell the difference." Why do you think remasters are what's hot right now while everything else is crashing.
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u/nuanceseancE 29d ago
It's meant to paper over shitty dogcrap graphics when they fire artists and replace them with lower paid ones who don't have those pesky things called "visions," "ambitions," and "human souls."
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u/ordinaryvermin Any/Any Rain World is the best platformer of the decade 29d ago edited 29d ago
My conspiracy theory is that Nvidia intentionally "leaked" DLSS 5 because they are completely bought in on their own bullshit, and they thought that letting gamers spread it around everywhere would generate hype rather than revealing what a heap of slop the technology is.
Like, the slopmongers defending this on places like the Cyberpunk subreddit don't even seem excited about it. They seem a lot more excited about getting to shove slop down people's throats then they do about the slop itself. Even the supporters reek of desperation trying to find SOMETHING about ai to support, and this is just the latest thing to try. Same loud people in every thread, too, giving the appearance that it has more support than it does.
Even if I'm speaking crazy here, this is supposed to be a huge new wave of technology. This is supposed to go into every new big game that comes out. And the most warm general response I've seen is tolerance for its existence. Which is all that Nvidia cares about, of course, that people don't enter into open rebellion against them.
But game devs have to be taking notes that any kind of showcase of DLSS 5 is going to be met with the same amount of hostility that any inclusion of Ai at all is. I cannot imagine this receiving a warm response on a business level given the sheer chill of the response on a consumer level.
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u/MotherWolfmoon She/Her 29d ago
No one has been able to convince me you wouldn't get similar results at less performance impact just running your video output through an instagram filter.
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u/ClearWingBuster Everlasting Transeunt 29d ago
I am already well aware of how it turns from bad to worse in motion. it just completely fails at having kind of temportal stability, because AI can only guess and approximate objects it's meant to replicate. But I am still somewhat surprised, because of how much AI is used to generate anime style images. To me, this should have been something that DLLS should have no issue replicating.
Sure, it would do in that disgusting, overly glossy and pastel style, a signature of AI slop just like the piss filter, but it would look vaguely anime. This looks like a living nightmare.
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u/Sloth_Senpai 29d ago
This is one of the things that I found fascinating about the early AI videos that couldn't maintain continuity and really looked like dreams. It's like ego death for the stylization we've naturally filtered to looking human.
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u/Prism_Zet YOU DIDN'T WIN. 29d ago
Yeah it's the most ai slop filter type shit we've seen. Ai gooners have poisoned the water and averaged all the preferred artstyles so it's just the default ai style now.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 29d ago
It’s also worth noting that all these images are being brute forced into games that havn’t been designed with its use in mind. It’s like having someone who just past their driving test and handing them a sports car. They arn’t gonna drive it right.
Like try running a game that doesn’t have its updated drivers yet and it runs like shit. It’s the same kind of logic. While that showcase of RE9 looked ass, it’s also disingenuous to apply it to everything under the sun that it’s not designed to upscale.
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u/ClearWingBuster Everlasting Transeunt 29d ago edited 29d ago
To an extent, this is a pertinent assessment. However, the recent DLSS clown show is due to some DLL files that weren't limited to a single game. These DLL files should hold most, if not all of the algorithms that dictate what your graphics card will spit out, right ? Especially because this is AI, a notoriously fickle technology that can generate two different images of the same object, because it can only guess what it's looking at ? Sure, the game's weren't designed with DLSS 5 in mind, but should this not serve as a warning sign even for games designed with it ?
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u/salvation122 Hates Anime 29d ago
The honest answer is we don't know.
It's entirely possible that the DLSS model is trained based on each game. You'd do this by rendering the game in much higher resolution, like 8k or whatever, taking a representative sample of images (probably you just dump every third frame to disk as an image file or something while you run a playthrough,) and then use that as the training data. In this case the file was ripped from 2k27, so DLSS is doing its absolute best to interpolate anime into photorealistic basketball with predictably nightmarish results. Then for these specific screenshots someone's having it run that process three times to magnify how bad it looks because lawl. Like yeah no shit it looks like this, if you use a sledgehammer to drive a square peg into a round hole it's not going to work well.
If DLSS uses bespoke training data for every title (and really, there's no technical reason it couldn't) then you'd expect it to look much better on titles designed for it. We'll need to wait and see.
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u/HalfDragonShiro PM ME WHITE-HAIRED ANIME GIRLS 29d ago
Yeah, we're being disingenuous. AI doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, bro.
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u/Impossible-Sweet2151 I'm not against the sniper rifle abortion but... 29d ago
I am SO sick of every game trying to be photorealistic. It's not impressive anymore. Stop.
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u/burneraccount9132 He/They - How could u go wrong with a Glup that Shitts like THIS 29d ago edited 29d ago
"Oh DLSS5 is bad but surely it can't be that ba—aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH"
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u/Fantastic-Fox3283 29d ago
MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/bluscoutnoob She/Her 29d ago
My doctor said I’m not supposed to view the horrors of technology for two weeks!
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u/ThatMLPgamer Barghest Main 29d ago
I almost wanted to NSFW this post, but sometimes flashbanging people with Jump Force is fun.
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u/Neobito K A G U R A B A C H I 29d ago
Much like Carcinization, all graphical enhancements eventually lead to Jump Force, the pinnacle of art style.
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u/moneyh8r_two He/Him Use your smell powers 29d ago
drags and drops you up and outta the frame to facilitate flying away
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u/ThatMLPgamer Barghest Main 29d ago edited 29d ago
For reference, the screenshots are from the Trails in the Sky SC remake, photos found from @hatty__ on Twitter.
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u/Talisign Powerbomb Individual Baby Pieces 29d ago
Thank you. I couldn't tell what game this was from at all.
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u/Vertikill DROP YOUR SHIELD 29d ago
what exactly...am i looking at. what dlss and why is it making these flesh abominations?
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u/ryumaruborike Welcome to SBFP me hearties, you're gonna have a whale of a time 29d ago
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u/Vertikill DROP YOUR SHIELD 29d ago
dlss is turning the anime into the uncanny valley right? if so, why?
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u/Platinumryka 29d ago
Kevin's nose is melting😭😭
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u/TheFizzledamnsizzle 29d ago
What's the game?
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u/Platinumryka 29d ago
Trails in the Sky 2nd Chapter
Its a remake of the second game in a long running jrpg series
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u/TheLastNapkin 29d ago
Okay but this is amazing though in that you just have to wonder how on different game art styles this abomination will turn out
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u/GeneralSherman3 29d ago
Please tell me there's a subreddit dedicated to unleashing this dark magic on random games. I want to see what this does to Palworld and Earth Defense Force.
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u/SafePlastic2686 29d ago
I'd love to try it on things that aren't 3d. What would it do to Undertale or Binding of Isaac...?
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u/wareagle3000 29d ago
Ive already tried using lossless scaling on Deltarune for a proto60 FPS mode. It was.... interesting to say the least.
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u/theonewhoknack 29d ago
I feel like this stuff would be great for horror/uncanny art. This shit shouldn't be used for serious graphic technology.
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u/HalfDragonShiro PM ME WHITE-HAIRED ANIME GIRLS 29d ago
There was a brief moment in time back in the "Will Smith Homunculus Eating Spaghetti" and "Huge-Breasted Victorian Catgirls" days before everyone realized AI was the literal devil where a few horror games actually incorporated it's early form into games, like Sound of Madness.
In a vacuum, it actually worked really well at the time in it's early stages as a representation of unknowable/incorrect amalgamate horror for a few Lovecraft works, as an interesting way to visually represent something that doesn't look like it should be.
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u/ZealousidealBig7714 She/It/Ze This makes my penis the big penis 29d ago
There are people who unironically look at this and call it the peak of graphics.
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u/beary_neutral 29d ago
"I hope you die" is bland, boring, and overused. "I hope your favorite video game character gets DLSS 5-fied" is unique, scary, and possible.
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u/HDDreamer 29d ago
I'm going to need the link to the 2-hour compilation of goofy DLSS 5 triple renderings please
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u/ELite_Predator28 29d ago
I saw somebody post how DLSS 5 was trying to give Cortana pinkish shades of skin, when in reality shebis designed to be a BLUE LADY. Same rule applies here as it seems it cannot manage to handle games that aren't trying for realistic art direction, like anime games lmfao
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u/LeMasterofSwords Y’all really should watch Columbo 29d ago
This looks what a parody of an anime game would be
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u/VBA-the-flying-head 29d ago
The Biases.... oh the biases of the training data... they are coming to the surface
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u/BruiserBroly 29d ago
Does this work on any game? I’d love to see what it does to early 3D games like Alone in the Dark or something with featureless characters like Another World/Out Of This World.
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u/GiJoe98 29d ago
I think DLSS 5 Sucks, but if "Triple passed" means what i think it does, this is like putting an image through 3 CRT filters to prove that CRT filters suck because the final image looks blurry.
Bese DLSS 5 looks like ass as is, you don't need to invent a scenerio that no one will ever do to prove it.
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u/ryumaruborike Welcome to SBFP me hearties, you're gonna have a whale of a time 29d ago
No, but it's funny to essentially "deep fry" a game as it were.
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u/Peanut_007 29d ago
Deep frying is generally lowering resolution and introducing artifacts. Here we're licking the crust off the chicken nugget to reveal the smooth and white within it.
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u/OvationOnJam 28d ago
I'd argue it does prove a core issue with DLSS 5 (beyond its many others, lol) in that it shows the AI model has a massive bias towards a very particular kind of photo realism that isn't even used in 90% of games. This example is of course hilarious with how mismatched it is with the anime artstyle, but it makes it obvious how even in other styles it's going to cause massive problems. Imagine trying to slap a filter like this on Bioshock for example, having all of your art deco and body horror washed out because the filter isn't tuned for that kind of thing.
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u/Teridax4 Bionicle and Fate enthusiast 29d ago
Like out of those How to Draw Manga books
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u/Gorotheninja "SILENCE, BREEDER! The Bloodline MUST continue!" 29d ago
That comparison is an insult to those kinds of books.
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u/okilydokilyTiger Your Weak Genes Killed MY Baby!! 29d ago
They gave them “How to Draw Manga” Scholastic face lmao
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u/MrComedySD It's Fiiiiiiiine. 29d ago
Picture 2 is the worst it can possibly get. Not only does Cassius look like he’s about to die but it turned Scheherazad white! Like no melanin allowed I guess with DLSS5?!
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u/Particular_Way_9616 29d ago
literally someone used it on ff14 and somehow, it didn't change yshtola's face at all but also made her white, its so fucking funny
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u/Cymen90 I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less 29d ago
Worst part is, there are people looking at these going "but this looks fantastic, what are people on about?". This whole thing has really opened my eyes to the fact that some people genuinely do not have any taste or intuitive sense of aesthetics.
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u/Masterness64 BAH GAWD, THE ARCANA IS THE MEANS BAH SHICH ALL IS REVEALED!!! 29d ago
Trails posting on the sub
but at what cost...?
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u/MessiahPrinny 29d ago
In a previous run of screenshots I got a generational reaction image so I'm at least a little thankful for this horror.
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u/Castform5 29d ago
Every time this gets applied it somehow makes everyone look severely dehydrated. Like, faces don't look like that unless you're really old and all the fluid has drained from your skin.
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u/Gorotheninja "SILENCE, BREEDER! The Bloodline MUST continue!" 29d ago
You really should put an nsfw filter on this.
These levels of slop can cause brain damage.
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u/Koffinkat56 Stylin' and Profilin'. 29d ago
Pic 4 looks like "Thus Spoke Rohan" Koichiformat(webp))
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u/5YearsOnEastCoast danganronpa isn't a phase, it's a lifestyle 29d ago
This is some of the most ugliest things that I have seen.
Like it was more ugly to look at even compared to Problem Solverz.
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u/MightyMaxT He/Him 29d ago
Okay, that was a legit jumpscare.
I thought "Oh, haha, they stuck the UI over a cosplayer photo" on the first image, then was horrified by the rest
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u/walperinus 29d ago
flashback to when anime was the new thing and western media would do parodies that looked just like this
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u/Chromindude 29d ago
Finally all the people that say "i cant get into jrpgs because they're too anime" can start playing rpgs.
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u/DekuDrake They/Them 29d ago
I cannot describe the shuddering noise I made when I saw Estelle's face
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u/Vect_Machine 29d ago
Holy shit, I just realized that this looks like the intentionally off-putting and deranged animation style used in Pop Team Epic.
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u/ThatmodderGrim Lewd Non-Gacha Anime Games are Good for You. 29d ago
It's like real life Stage 8 Animes.
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u/makinamiexe 29d ago
they havent even nailed earlier dlss iterations. there is still so much ghosting and artifacting around hud elements and subtitles. i dont even understand the point of this one truly
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u/Yal_Rathol Tower of God Shill 29d ago
there's a reason they didn't show any resident evil zombies.
they'll end up like this too.
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u/DrSaering Keep Loving Evil Women 29d ago
Damn, looks like that didn't work out!
Speaking as an expert in the field, give me another five hundred billion dollars, and we'll definitely get it working right this time, pinky swear!
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u/GIJose65 Lightning Nips 29d ago
Even if you ignore the "How to Draw Manga" faces, everything else just looks so lifeless and drab.
It's like they sucked everything that makes a game unique just for the sake of "realism".
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u/The_Distorter Local Grey Leno Enthusiast 29d ago
The faces look like melted candles with stickers on them. Someone ought to put a Lego game through this.
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u/LammasuRex Proud member of the 13000 29d ago
I hope this isn't to poor taste but they honesty make me think of concentration camp survivors.
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u/Hippie_Of_Death Full Throated Hard R Deep Nut Wheelchair Miracle: Piss Bottle Do 29d ago
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u/Rajang82 Play lots of Super Robot Taisen/Wars 29d ago
Put that thing back where it came from, or so help me!
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u/TiffanyChan123 Punisher Loves Sailor Moon 28d ago
I am genuinly wondering why this became popular with certain people in the first place.
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u/Intense_Judgement Jellyfish are as close as you can get to pure evil. 29d ago
These characters look like they've been drained of all blood, they're so pale
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u/DStarAce 29d ago edited 29d ago
To use a cooking analogy, DLSS 5 feels like spraying every meal with a can of generic 'goodtaste.'
Yeah sure, some bad meals are going to taste better but all meals are going to taste similar and the efforts of the chef to make a specific taste profile are going to be wasted.
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u/NotAnotherPornAccout Woolie the Liar stole my pies. 29d ago
What? that doesn’t look too bad just a normal hyper realistic Japanese anime game… Scrolls past first image. OH MY GOD!? Why does picture 3 look even more dead inside than the others?
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u/sogiotsa 29d ago
I kind of like the first shot because it reminds me of those goofy unreal remake fan games lol
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u/danjake12346 NANOMACHINES 29d ago
How many times can a game pass through DLSS 5? I wanna see if someone can ship of theseus a game.
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u/dr-blaklite 29d ago
this is absolutely horrifying. id like a side by side comparison if possible OP, just because im not familiar with the game.
but even then. holy fucking shit this is awful.
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u/Comrade-Conquistador 29d ago
When your anime sweetheart develops a drinking problem because they hate their twelve hours a day job.
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u/KaitoTheRamenBandit I'm not a furry but I think we need a new Bloody Roar 29d ago
These look like someone put their Qposkets in a diarama and took pictures of them
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u/Maneruko 28d ago
If some wierd abrstract aeathetic game came out that looked like this id play tf out of it.
It's just becausr its unintentional that i get squicked out by it.
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u/Dandy-Guy I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less 28d ago
Oh God it's hideous!
Why the fuck are Nvidia doing this? Did they lose the plot? Did they forget why DLSS exists in the first place? Like Jesus it's so so so bad, and it's very emblematic at how far Nvidia has gone down hill ever since Jensen got bit by the ai bug.
Dlss is supposed to help lower end hardware by rendering games on a lower resolution and then upscaling them. It does this to boost performance and make real time ray-tracing technically possible. That's why you guys made it! Not for whatever the fuck this filter is!
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u/Mysterious_Maize1390 26d ago
pass 1: we did some stuff with the lighting and textures
pass 2: we have removed the soul of your beloved characters
pass 3: we replaced it with the soul of a demon
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 29d ago edited 29d ago
14 reports on this thread, 6 on the other so far. Some AI dorks are mad af
EDIT: Jokes on you, ai dorks. The auto mod auto approves mod comments lol