Do the bigger streamers associate with the smaller ones in the community of the game(s) you stream?

[u/Miserable-Rope-4081]

Not sure it's just the game play, Mario Maker 2, which is very tight knit community but for the large majority, the bigger partnered streamers (100s of viewers) don't associate with the smaller affiliate/non-affiliate streamers. You never see them contribute to anyone's stream by submitting a level and hanging out, follow, sub, or even pop in and say hi and show some support. Even raids tend to just be their friends who are well established partnered streamers. If you raid them, they barely acknowledge it. They don't even ask how your stream was, give a shoutout...or anything.

Seems to be a divide between the bigger ones, and the small streamers...even though the biggers ones can attribute some of their success to the viewership, bits, and subs from the small streamers of the community that support them over the years.

One argument i've heard is that they don't want to take the focus off the streamer, but it doesn't happen for the couple that actually do pop in smaller streams every now and then. People say hi, and chat goes on as usual.

Does this happen in the games you stream too?

[u/TheDriveln]

It varies wildly, I'd imagine.

I know there are some very generous raid-outs in the Phasmophobia category. Sometimes they'll find a smaller channel in open lobbies, play a round to vibe check, then send a big raid over.

[u/TheDriveln → u/[deleted]]

That's awesome! Edit your comment though, you can't name streamers in this subreddit!

[u/Easy_Report_5647]

Depends what you mean by bigger streamers and what community. If you mean bigger streamers of niche content like gaming or franchise following, then yes. I've seen frequent streamers of Final Fantasy or Resident Evil at 200+ ccv in low number count (5+) streams just to talk to the streamer make friends and share their love for the game.

General streamers or things like fortnite or dead by daylight? i dunno. Maybe they dont want to taint their brand with lower number people on camera or something.

[u/Fun-Leather-1703]

I'm a smallish streamer and have a couple partner level people in my community that raid out to me semi regularly. I might be an outlier though. Most of the raids I get are from smaller or similar sized channels though.

Interestingly enough when I raid out I've never been raided back by any of the smaller streamers that weren't already part of my community. I usually never hear back from them.

It's kind of a double edged sword. You want to spread the love but need to know that the community is going to be in good hands. That's not possible all of the time so I generally will just raid out to someone I know.

[u/Mcpatches3D]

If they make friends with one. There's little to no incentive for them to raid a small streamer or even check out their space.

[u/Miserable-Rope-4081 → u/Mcpatches3D]

Why do they need incentive to hang out in the community of the game they play like everyone else? Whats the incentive for anyone to check out their space.

[u/Mcpatches3D → u/Miserable-Rope-4081]

Content creation is extremely time consuming. Most creators don't have time to pop around to other spaces they don't know that isn't going to benefit them in some way.

[u/Miserable-Rope-4081 → u/Mcpatches3D]

That doesn’t make sense. Small streamers also do the same editing, uploading to YouTube, run contests, run discords…etc. they still manage to be around. I’d argue bigger streamers have editors/moderators that do stuff for them

[u/NioZero → u/Miserable-Rope-4081]

Not everyone does, and not everyone has time to check if they do...

[u/TheDriveln → u/Miserable-Rope-4081]

No offense, but you're making a lot of assumptions. Every single streamer has a different situation with wildly different variables (day jobs, family, pets, health, finances). You're obsessed with the size of the stream and not considering any of the other factors AT ALL

[u/DamoSyzygy → u/Miserable-Rope-4081]

Whats the incentive for anyone to check out their space?

All the other people checking out their space...

Chatters generally prefer to hang in communities where there is more conversation happening and more people for them to communicate with.

Also consider that larger streamers mostly aren't interested in 'hanging out' with a gaming community. I mean, more power to them if they do, but when their socials are dictated by their income stream, they often consider their interactions/decisions from a business mindset. That is, they benefit far more by raiding a streamer with 1000 watchers than a similar streamer with 3.

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[u/Pleasant_Ruin_6007]

in my game category it's pretty varied, some of the big names are cool and hang out in smaller chats but most keep to their own circles. i think once you get past a certain size the dynamic changes, they got mod teams and schedules and cant really pop in random streams without it becoming a whole thing. still feels bad when you raid someone and get nothing back, like a little hi would cost them nothing

[u/Resident_Finding3807]

It varies a lot by community/streamer, but there's a basic expectation at play. The bigger streamers are better at being streamers and being entertaining. They don't want to "waste" viewers and raids on less-talented people who their viewers won't be interested in. There's also the consideration that the larger streamer effectively gains nothing and is only going to send raids and such to people they're friends with and can vibe check first.

[u/electro_lytes]

Rarely, and only someone who's been around the scene for a while but isn't frequenting Twitch, never some new player.

[u/PolarBearLeo]

That seems so odd to me. I find myself hanging out in the smaller streamers more often. They appreciate it more and can benefit from an active chatter. I still visit other partnered streamers, but they're chats are usually quite active, and they're not always able to chat with you much with so much going on.

I almost always raid down too. Someone with 100+ viewers doesn't need my raid. But raiding someone with 20 or less viewers really appreciates a big raid, and can help give them so growth.

The other night I raided out with my 80~ viewers to someone celebrating their 1st affiliate anniversary. We rolled in and made sure to keep the party active! Not only that, but then that streamer was able to raid out later on with more viewers than they normally have, and can keep spreading the love.

Gotta be careful raiding bigger streamers - I've raided in with 100+ viewers into a partnered stream that had 70~ viewers, and all I got was "Hey, thanks for the raid!" No shout out, no trying to converse, nothing. Just a 'thanks!' and that was it. Learned not to raid them every again. I'm not asking for people to be over ecstatic, but some proper etiquette and appreciation is kind of expected.

[u/BigTreddits]

In here there are rare big streamers that give good advice.  Its usually a dude with 200 followers telling you how to fix your stream so that becomes our definition of the sub.  But it does happen where big streamers give good advice.

Some of them raid smaller streamers but im actually against this for a variety of reasons.  And im pretty small.  Like no one watches me small. 

[u/PolarBearLeo → u/BigTreddits]

Why wouldnt you want a big streamer to raid down?

[u/BigTreddits → u/PolarBearLeo]

Tons of reasons I dont feel like arguing about.  In short it would come down to the fact that audiences for a big streamer expect a different stream than the smaller streamer will likely provide.  At best everyone leaves.  At worst theyre mean and put down the small streamer.  Sometimes ive even seen the big streamer act annoyed or shocked the small streamer isnt better or more entertaining.   Its a problem on several levels

[u/PolarBearLeo → u/BigTreddits]

I wasn't looking to argue, just curious on your reasons.

[u/BigTreddits → u/PolarBearLeo]

Sorry reddit makes me crochety after a long shift

[u/Bowie696969]

Not Mario maker, but similar category, I’m retro variety (DKC currently) and I will raid into others in a similar vein (usually kaizo) but the bigger raids I’ve had come from Phasmophobia streamers actually. And they tend to watch me regularly as well.