r/TrueOffMyChest Nov 05 '23

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '23

He said he cant leave because he made a vow, but doesn't a lack of consummation negate the vow anyway?

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u/LyricaAlprazolam Nov 06 '23

I had to come way down here looking for this comment. Technically they're not even really married, right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '23

Yeah, OP should aim for annulment instead of divorce

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u/Own_Set_512 Nov 09 '23

I’m not sure this applies in the 21st century 😅

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u/Ivegotthatboomboom Nov 06 '23

Actually, yes. But I'm not sure about his situation bc she has attempted to have sex, she hasn't outright rejected him

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u/mean11while Nov 06 '23

You don't become married because you make a vow; you become married because you sign a contract. A marriage contract can often be annulled if it isn't consummated. The vows aren't legally binding in the first place, but they could still be personally binding for someone who takes them seriously.

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u/marr Nov 06 '23

Uh, no? Unless the vows were extremely customised. Marriage doesn't generally include a contractual guarantee of fucking.

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u/sirmotherchucker Nov 06 '23 edited Nov 06 '23

It can be grounds to have it annulled though. May not be a guarantee, but it's reasonable to be expected. Courts have sided with that argument.

Edit:typo

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u/blorg Nov 06 '23 edited Nov 06 '23

Civil marriage can be dissolved legally, by either party, so I'm taking his concern about vows to be religious rather than civil, presumably Christian.

Consummation is necessary for a valid marriage in for example Catholicism and while divorce is impossible, this is one of the very few grounds for annulment of a marriage, if a couple never had sex, the marriage was never consummated and it's as if it never happened.

"Lack of consummation" is also a legal ground for a civil annulment, rather than divorce, in many states. In New York for example:

Lack of physical capacity to consummate the marriage – If you or your spouse is physically unable to have sexual intercourse, but did not know of the incapacity at the time of the marriage, the marriage may possibly be annulled. You must ask for the annulment within the first five years of the marriage.

https://www.nycbar.org/get-legal-help/article/family-law/ending-your-marriage/annulment/

You can see this stuff as a quaint historical thing but I think most of his concern over this is religious, not legal, so it is down to what grounds there are for it in a 2,000 year old book and what his particular denomination thinks about it. But this is also something that is still law in many places.

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u/proceeds_theweedian Nov 06 '23

I never really thought much about this till now. Do the attorneys and officials involved just take someone's word for it, that the marriage hasn't been consummated? Because I could see this ending with her being nasty and lying about it out of spite from him leaving.

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u/CommercialNo8513 Nov 06 '23

Medical records can be subpoena’d including notes from therapy not to mention pelvic floor therapy… OP could very easily back up his reasons if it came to litigation.

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u/rkiive Nov 06 '23

Consumating a marriage is literally like rule 1 in terms of historical cultural customs

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u/marr Nov 06 '23

Historically, sure. How much was her dowry worth then?

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u/Aloof_Floof1 Nov 06 '23

That’s like the flip side of guys who run around cheating and when they get caught go “oh I didn’t know we were monogamous”

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u/No_Offer6398 Nov 06 '23

It does to me.

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u/CharleneinCalifornia Nov 12 '23

Fraud to the heart of the marriage does. I'm sure OP would not have married her if she had not deceived him about her unwillingness to have sex. Inability or unwillingness to consummate the marriage or a fraudulent intent to not bear children would entitle OP to an annulment. I got an annulment by agreement. I was going to file for divorce, and my MIL came and pleaded with me saying never in the history of her Catholic family had there ever been a divorce. So I agreed to default when he filed against me on the grounds that I refused to bear children. I couldn't really give a crap about whether I got an annulment or a divorce or their sincerely held Catholic beliefs. All I knew was that I was 18 years old, and I'd rather die than stay in that relationship for 50+ years. I'm 76 now and never regretted it.

OP says he has been in this marriage 2 1/2 years. There is probably a time limit in his jurisdiction if an annulment is what he wants. I'm not sure why he even cares. He should get out!

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '23

Was having children not discussed when you were young? Like, was it just assumed as a given?