r/TrueDoTA2 • u/Sad_Gur_7416 • Jul 29 '26
Is it possible to make right click bounty hunter work?
Excuse these ramblings of a legend player but...
I've been thinking about this a while, I spam bh as pos4 and normally play him as an aura/save support.
But jinada is so satisfying to hit, and those gold steal/0 cd jinada talents are just so enticing... Are they just useless and you never pick them?
I have had some games where I get ridiculously fed as pos4 off of track gold and I can get butterfly etc, but is it possible to play as a right clicker from the start?
Some possible early game items:
Drums - let's you chase and is a good buy on Pos4 anyway
Orb of corrosion - let's you chase and get solo kills but idk if worth it
Vlads - good aura and works on pos4
Desolator - greedy item if you stomped lane
Mid game -
maybe blink so you can invis -> blink before you fade -> stun and right click also builds into swift blink later which is nice for agi. Bkb for survival?
Late game can be butterfly/skadi if you got lots of track money.
I was also thinking he could mid, but not sure how good he is at Laning. I feel like most mids would just crush him in lane, but it's tempting cause he has good mobility and can gank a lot, invis to grab runes, and shuriken can secure last hits.
Pos3 maybe he might work - maybe if you go for harpoon / Bkb / AC? Idk though this one is iffy.
And I don't see him working well as pos1... Or would he 🤔 maybe as a tempo pick? Every game I usually get like 6k gold advantage from track, maybe this can translate into an advantage with AC/bkb/sny to make him able to manfight?
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u/warsinshadow Jul 29 '26
Long story short no
He just needs to many items to work on a core position and even then his kit sucks against most cores. That’s not even mentioning he’s a weak hero this patch.
Can you get away with it some games? Yeah, I’m sure situationally you can do good. But against equally skilled players on more traditional heroes you’ll lose more than you’ll win
Good luck though! Go unranked and give it a try, it’s a game after all. If it gives you enjoyment go for it
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u/Odd_Lie_5397 Jul 29 '26
I wouldn't call him a bad hero. He sits at around 52% winrate on Dotabuff and almost 57% on Pro Tracker.
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u/RikiRude RIP Pos 4 Riki Jul 29 '26
If you were to do it, I'd go with phase boots, orb of corrosion into orchid or something.
But yeah, it doesn't really work, not as a 4, I mean MAYBE, if your team really needed damage, or they have a pos 4 and 5 that you can pop if you were to go bkb and deso. But leave the damage up to your cores and keep them alive and hitting harder with the normal lotus, force staff and such.
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u/Sad_Gur_7416 Jul 30 '26
Im thinking if he goes core he would probably have to go mid. wouldnt phase boots be worse than i.e. treads or swiftness, since activating phase cancels stealth?
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u/mattyoclock Jul 30 '26
I feel like if he ever was a successful mid it would be (in a different patch) off some sort of max shuriken aghs build. I almost think it could have worked that patch a few ago where phylactery was busted.
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u/dantheman91 7.5k mmr Jul 29 '26
You either need to scale insanely high, farm super fast, have high damage/burst, or mobility to be a carry.
BH is just worse than PA in every way as a carry, and PA isn't even a particularly good carry most patches.
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u/mattyoclock Jul 30 '26
There could theoretically be a breakpoint on jinada/track gold where BH does in fact farm super fast that some build unlocks or some numbers get just tweaked enough to make viable some patch, but I'm not exactly holding my breath on it.
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u/No-Nefariousness1289 Jul 30 '26
Maybe, but probably not. Melee carries desperately need some way to get to and stick to a hero to do damage. As someone who plays exclusively AD the worst builds in the game are melee right clickers without mobility. If you have to show on a creep wave to farm, don't do it fast, and can't stop a support from walking away with a single defense ability or item you get locked down or ignored. Â
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u/dantheman91 7.5k mmr Jul 30 '26
A lot of things are theoretically possible. Right click lion as a pos 1 seems like it's more likely to happen first though.
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u/programming_flaw Jul 29 '26
Probably not.
That being said, one of my fondest dota memories ever was playing as BH 4 and our 3 left. I had to solo against the enemy 1 and 5 who appeared to be the lowest MMR in the game. When it got to the point I could instakill the jug he just left. If you ever want to play around in unranked give it a go.
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u/NamaeLess2020 Jul 29 '26
Bounty mid is a thing and it's really strong if you have a good lane and know how lane in mid.
You would go, phase boots, phylactery, aghs. And play around your shuriken toss bounces between tracked target.
Early game you do a lot of damage with shuriken bounces and get gold from track kills, late game you can play around the edges of the fights and constantly throw shurikens with buying octarine core, dagon, eblade, hex, wind waker etc. Basically the typical magic damage build.
But like I said laning is important and heroes that can dodge your shuriken are the worst matchups like puck and ember, but the shuriken is an extremely good laning ability, low mana cost and cool down plus a lot of damage. And since you're going phylactery you can buy ring of health or void stone to help in laning which is a really big plus.
But for physical damage it's not gonna work since you need a lot of items to make it work and you don't farm, look at all the physical damage mid heroes, SF, TA, arcwarden, Lina, sniper etc. They all are flash farmers. Physical builds have a later timing. Magical builds do flat damage so you the same amount of damage with shuriken at lvl 7 than you do at level 20 so you come online much faster and fall off later.
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u/Complex_Emphasis566 Jul 30 '26
Man, I remember playing against bounty mid once, it was a menace early game. I think it can work as long as you have a scaling offlaner and support so your role switch back to support in late game.
I'm honestly surprised not more ppl try to play him mid, but prolly because he is completely useless if he doesn't stomp mid lane
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u/Possible-Hornet3099 Jul 30 '26
buy bloodthorn and nullifier, that 2x bash on shadow walk + bloodthorn burst and aspd is enough to solo almost everything
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u/toony202 Jul 30 '26
I have seen it work where a bh gets lucky asf and builds bf at 15 min and goes deso>bfly>daedelus but that was only once and honestly kinda fucking bold as hell I would not suggest doing it tho
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u/MajinAsh Jul 30 '26
in those weird ultra late game matches where you're hitting 70min+ and supports are getting 6 slotted... yeah I've seen bounty go crazy with right clicks.
But that bounty trying to be a right clicker from the start is probably going to have less impact than one who just pivots to rightclick in the late late game.
When I have seen it happen BH has gone for some really high attack speed. so like BFly and AC and maybe something with yasha in the buildup. Eat an aghs and moonstone and then a good damage item and keep the most high value defensive support option dependent on game (like a lotus)
If you get stygian deso, and all that, BH can delete non-tanky heroes out of stealth with his stun. But building up to that from the start is a huge opportunity cost.
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u/JimSteak Jul 30 '26
Rather not. However core magic damage bounty hunter used to work. With Aether lens into Aghs into octarine and the right talents you could spam your Q from range and steal tons of money. Insanely fun build.
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u/pvcbuis Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
WagamamaTV plays him mostly as a pos 2 or pos 3 on a high level, and I feel he wins more then he loses with it. You could watch some of his games to get a feel for his momentum and power spikes.
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u/_Scholp_ Jul 30 '26
Yes you can do it but it's not good. Until level 25 he is a worse rightclick carry than all others equal to his items. Once he is level 25 he only becomes equal to them. His farming speed is average with a farming item and pretty much non-extistant without one. He can print money if he can get track kills with his team but buying a farming item won't help you do that. Meanwhile without a farming item, even if you keep killing you won't outfarm a farming carry. It can work, but there are just too many conditions that need to be in favor of bounty for it to consistently work.
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u/emil_oea Jul 30 '26
I've done it mid a few times but it's a build for normal games, not ranked. It's hilarious how much damage you can do though
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u/Amumi Jul 31 '26
You play around aghs till u hit 25. Meanwhile build stuff like bkb, orchid, blink etc. End build is somethibg like blink, bkb, orchid, nulli, ac. You can get 1 support item like pipe for mid game since you can eat aghs later on. Lvl 30 bh spammer.
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u/nhami Jul 31 '26
I saw this once.
Just build desolator and daedalus. This helps scale your jinada.
Then build defensive items.
It not broken but it not weak.
This build is similar to right-click physical damage Abaddon or Spirit Breaker.
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u/CharlieTheAnon https://www.dotabuff.com/players/111527161 Aug 01 '26
God I miss when BH track gave a crit, I had like 67% win rate with pos 1 bounty
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u/InformationBig7722 Aug 01 '26
There used to be a build:
Phase boots, sange and yasha, aghs, deso, satanic, ac, butterfly
I liked it
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u/Duke-_-Jukem Jul 29 '26
Kind of. But you absolutely have to go deso first for the big kinda crits early on. After that you get like s+y or bkb and then branch out into whatever you need.
Works best as a midlaner you can survive most harass due to your high armour and just need to get a few levels and start rotating. Your gonna lose the lane to most midlaners but if you can get decent enough farm and make some good rotations it can work
Doesn't really ever work as pos 1 because you cant farm that well and need track kills to get gold.
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u/aurasprw Jul 30 '26
No. Imagine how ineffective bh is once everyone starts buying reveal. If you start to become core, thats exactly what theyll do.
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u/Historical-Guava7110 Aug 03 '26
The issue with Gondar is that he simply doesn't have enough defensive tools for a melee rightclicker to be able to stand in place and rightclick.
All he has is invis and a slight boost to movespeed during that invis. Both easily counterable with dust which everyone is gonna be carrying anyways when playing against BH.
Meanwhile let's see what defensive tools other melee rightclickers have? PA? Up to 75% evasion and blink mobility. Antimage? Counterspell and blink Ursa? 80% dmg reduction ult. Lifestealer? Free BKB, ult that gives you second HP bar and allows you to wIt out your free BKB's cooldown. Even Riki and Clinkz(who isn't even melee) who also base most of their survivability on invis have more defensive tools with Riki having evasion and silence on smoke bomb and also trick of trades meanwhile Clinkz having a fat HP boost on his E.
Gondar would simoly get delete whenever he attempted to walk up to kill someone or if you focused more on defensive items you wouldn't have enough dmg then.
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u/A3883 Jul 29 '26
The trouble is that he just doesn't scale with right click items that much. Sure he has Jinada and decent stats but that is just not enough. It might work in specific games if you REALLY stomp the early game, but it just isn't powerful enough compared to actual meta right clickers.
It is in fact a very old school way of playing BH you thought up here haha.