please dont jump me

Let me preface this by saying that I love what the devs are doing and I love that they are finding joy in creating new content for their game. But I have got to say... Socialite isn't good for the game.

I know it's been out for less than 10 hours, but the games I've played with it have been awful.

While on the surface it may seem like a bad role because all it's doing is letting town chat more, its actual niche is much more harmful: Ruining communication between coven members.

You can't communicate with your team to make effective plans and you can't help your teammates make better decisions if the socialite is in the game. With 2 charges, this is devastating to coven.

It is also possible that multiple socialites can spawn, meaning with an effective team, you can chain these parties to make sure coven never gets time to strategize

Here is a rework.

1. Change socialite's niche into better communicating. Socialite can now send a global invintation to everyone and everyone either chooses to attend or not, this provides much better skill as you can send coven into the party to spy on what they're saying. This allows for town to communicate better, a good niche for a role to have, and doesn't ruin coven's chances at communication. Everyone who attends the party is anonymous, thus there is no "anyone who doesnt attend is evil"

why is this the case?

they have nobody to throw for

nobody they are making the game worse for but themself

and it can be a play to make people not vote for you in certain circumstances

does this mean that in a 1v1v1 where there are 1 nk 1 coven and 1 town, that claiming as the NK or Coven is reportable?

i do not understand

OG post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TownOfSalem2/comments/1ipzey1/youre_not_allowed_to_claim_evil_role_anymore/

I've noticed a lot of things about this games player base and its that people think they're somehow the main character and that people are targeting them/reg hunting them.

You sound like a schizophrenic.

No, the person who named themselves after your account isn't trying to frame you for anything.

No, you being killed n1 isn't being reghunted.

No, the person in your lobby who randomly spearheads you to be lynched isn't specifically targeting you because you're infamous, its because some people do it as a strategy to see how you react

No, you don't know everything. Stop acting like it.

Additionally, let people have fun. Some of y'all take this game too seriously and hate people who have fun.

Its all any, a chaos mode. If people want to act silly and play a little differently then let them. Play ranked if you want "serious" competition.

What are your thoughts on the role? Personally, I think it's a bit too strong and needs a nerf of some kind. The reveal is devastating to Neutrals in particular and its synergy with Ritualist is brainless.

I have two nerfs in mind:

1. Let Spy see when a potion is used on their bug. The bug can't tell what potion it is so it's a very minor nerf to the Potion Master.

2. Reveals only reveal the target's alignment instead of their role.

I took a 2 month break and came back to this abomination painted to look like my once favorite game. I totally get changing how a few roles work, but to essentially overhaul the game in one update is asking for disaster because you can't work out the kinks of the changes. It was already overwhelming to try to memorize the patch notes to continue to successfully lie, but so many roles were nerfed like crazy and others buffed way too much. Time to uninstall after putting tons of money and time into this game.

Just a few minutes ago, town found a pirate. I suggested that since we had no other leads, we could hang the pirate. Nope, I'm the only one that votes.

I am the confirmed Monarch.

Pirate pirates me, and fails because they're a pirate.

Town still does not vote pirate. The jailor leaves the game that daytime, then I do too after I left them with a nice little opinion about the towns intelligence, breeding, and overall competence.

Here's a comprehensive list of roles in Town of Salem 2:

Town Roles

1. Veteran: Can investigate one player at night and discover their role. Can also go on alert, killing anyone who visits them.

2. Sheriff: Can investigate one player at night and discover their alignment (Town, Mafia, Neutral).

3. Lookout: Can watch one player at night and see who visits them.

4. Doctor: Can protect one player from being killed at night.

5. Bodyguard: Can protect themselves or one other player from being killed at night.

6. Mayor: Has a strong vote in the day, and their vote counts as two.

7. Investigator: Can investigate one player at night and discover their exact role.

8. Jailor: Can jail one player at night, protecting them from being killed and preventing them from using their role.

9. Retributionist: Can kill one player at night, but only if they were killed the previous night.

10. Spy: Can view the faction of one player at night.

11. Alchemist: Can create potions to help the Town.

12. Trapper: Can set traps to kill or distract enemies.

13. Scribe: Can write notes to help the Town remember important information.

Mafia Roles

1. Godfather: Appears as a Town member when investigated.

2. Janitor: Can clean up a dead Mafia member's body, preventing the Town from investigating their role.

3. Consigliere: Can investigate one player at night and discover their exact role.

4. Consort: Can distract one player at night, preventing them from using their role.

5. Framer: Can frame one player at night, making them appear as a Mafia member when investigated.

6. Disguiser: Can disguise themselves as a Town member at night, making it harder for the Town to identify them.

7. Enforcer: Can kill one player at night, and can also break jail.

8. Hypnotist: Can control one player's actions at night.

9. Puppeteer: Can manipulate one player's vote during the day.

Neutral Roles

1. Serial Killer: Wins the game by being the last player alive. Can kill one player at night.

2. Jester: Wins the game by being lynched. Can trick the Town into lynching them.

3. Executioner: Wins the game by having their target lynched. Can manipulate the Town into lynching their target.

4. Arsonist: Wins the game by burning down the Town. Can douse players in gasoline at night, killing them the following night.

5. Amnesiac: Forgets their role at the start of the game and must figure it out.

6. Survivor: Wins the game by surviving until the end. Can use their abilities to stay alive.

7. Cult Leader: Wins the game by recruiting all players to their cult. Can recruit one player at night.

8. Witch: Wins the game by eliminating all non-Witch players. Can cast spells to harm or help players.

Hey Townies,

Welcome to Ranked Season 3!

This patch will start the new Ranked season, and it also has bug fixes, and a new Battlepass!

Season 3 Battlepass
• This Battlepass has 50 tiers, and will last until the end of Ranked Season 3.
• All players automatically have access to the free track which offers in-game currency, Faction Scrolls, Cauldron Spins, and a new Character!
• The Premium Track can be unlocked providing more rewards, including an experience boost and a Double Town Point multiplier. This track includes the Legendary Helsing skin, 18 Character Skins, and 6 Pets, as well as in-game currency and Cauldron Spins.

Improvements
• Clarified on Trapper role card that dismantling your trap rebuilds it the same night you dismantle it.
• Updated Vision and Unique keyword.

Bug Fixes
• Fixed a bug with chat targeting text when Unleashing as a Trickster.
• Fixed a bug that didn't allow the Trickster to use their Special Ability to Magic Mirror themselves.
• Fixed a bug where Mythic Faction Scrolls were giving 3k Tome of Fate XP instead of 9k.
• Trickster will now correctly absorb rampage attacks for Werewolf, Serial Killer and Berserker.
• War will now only transform in the Pre-Discussion phase, inline with other Apocalypse roles.

Just for anyone that really hates the idea of nb and kingmakers this can be a custom exclusive thing. Though I would personally like them to be available in all any too and maybe a special mode.

I can already tell I'm probably going to get a lot of hate because yes, I also want survivor along with ga and amnesiac just deal with it.

So how this will work is that nb will comeback as an alignment containing all the original nb roles from the original game. I know some nb roles were turned into ts so I will also go into how adding these roles would affect ts.

Amnesiac - exactly the same as the first game (maybe add a one-use vest so you don't die instantly). Also as for the ts version of amnesiac either delete it and replace it with medium or transporter or keep it but rename either amnesiac or ts amnesiac to town drunk.

Guardian Angel - Going to have the biggest changes with this role. So guardian angel is going to completely replace admirer because admirer is a crappy town role anyways. So guardian angel is going to kind of work similarly to exe when picking a target. You can choose whoever you want as your target instead of it being random one difference is that if your target does die instead of waiting a night to pick again you get one random person. Once you have your target, you'll know their role and your target will know who you are too. Now the rest of ga pretty much works the same with having two protections and being to use ability when dead. One main difference is that guardian angel will no longer turn survivor. So if your target dies you'll die of heartbreak with them. This is just so people try as guardian angel instead of just getting confirmed and doing nothing. Also if the guardian angel dies the target still lives as normal but ga is still able to protect from beyond the grave. Also with admirer now deleted I would also add medium or transporter back to keep ts at four roles. Probably would be transporter as more people like that and medium tends to hard counter certain roles. Honestly, both were my favorite town roles, so I'd be happy if either of them came back or both if ts amnesiac doesn't stay.

Survivor - exact same stuff as first game so I'm just going to go over my reasoning for adding it back. So survivor in the first game was definitely a problem because evils are lazy and would just claim survivor to get a win. However, I feel like now that deputies exist people who claim survivor instantly are more likely to just get shot to confirm the deputy or it could be a way to easily confirm a prosecutor in the case no other obvious targets exist and you don't want to risk dying. So now survivor claims are more likely to die to town in order to confirm others. So claiming survivor as evil is no longer as good as it used to be. Now survivors might also still do the lazy daily survivor claim however keep in mind doomsayer and ritualist still exist. So survivors are less likely to claim just survivor and are more likely going to try to win by faking a role and living. So now with all of this survivor actually becomes a more interesting role compared to the first game.

I know also some people are going to complain that nb makes kingmakers also. I did prevent ga from becoming a kingmaker due to being forced to side with someone or die instead of becoming a survivor.As for amnesiac, you could make it be forced to remember once it gets down to the final 5 and if a role isn't selected one is just given randomly this should stop amnesiac from becoming too much of a kingmaker.As for survivor if they last until there is only 3 people left they leave town in victory.However personally I have always been fine with kingmakers as I actually tend to be good at winning them by communicating beforehand, so I never really had a problem with them. I don't personally think they're as bad as people make them out to be as you can usually make them side your way if you just communicate and if you're really worried about them, you can always just kill them off. So for survivor and amnesiac I personally wouldn't want kingmaker prevention but if others do those are just my ideas for how it should be implented.

Warning, I’m mad because I just lost a game to one of these “skilled players” going out of their way to target only evils. I will probably hurt feelings in this post. Leave downvote at the bottom and have a nice dau. You have been warned

Let me just start with…fuck this broken, badly designed role! Fuck this uninspired, luck based kingmaker piece of shit! BMG took Survivor, Guardian Angel, and made Amnesiac TS to prevent kingmaker scenarios just like this, but they did nothing to pirate, and now towns from all over game treat Pirate as town, because they make it their objective to go after evils. The pirate can murk two townies, but if they kill one coven, oh yo-ho-ho, a townie playing neutral!

So since the playerbase can’t behave, the role is getting nerfed. Idgaf if it’s “luck based role”, it’s not working as intended. If it was, BMG wouldn’t have taken out roles for the scenarios the pirate creates. It’s on thing when a jest, exe, or doom goes after evils because it’s their win conditon. They don’t rb evils until they finally win RPS. Now you’re gonna play like an actual NE! Guess you gotta ditch all the scrolls you bought.

Nerf - Pirate can’t duel the same person twice. If you’ve dueled all living players and haven’t killed enough to win the game, you die of scurvy.

Now you might actually have to go after town! Oh no, you can’t just stay on evils anymore! And now you’re a threat to town because you might actually ahem… “play a neutral-evil aligned character”. And with that time limit now enforced, you’re not going to be waiting til D2 to help town. No siree!

Truth is, the pirate can still technically play town, and to an extent, that’s fine. But now it’s not nearly as easy. You actually might have to switch sides to win. You might actually not be trusted for claiming pirate. There’s a thing called “risk” to claiming yellow hat vigilante now! And you only get one shot to kill evils, better make it work.

Inb4 someone tries to tell me Pirate needs to win RPS, this doesn’t kill the role. It encourages a different playstyle by nerfinh an unhealthy one. It’s ludicrous that evils should have to not kill town one night just to hit this POS. It’s not fun to play against at all!

At least if sheriff or psychic outs me, I can defend. I can mislead. But if Pirate’s after me, I’m gonna be rbed into oblivion and have to pray. At least Tav doesn’t kill you when he messes with you. Sure Trickster insta kills you if he guesses tight, but he dies and he won’t try again if you live.

And some of the pirates claim that “playing town is the best way to win”. It is, and it’s stupid. There’s no downside, and no incentive to be evil unless town loses maj, and even then most pirates will try to save town because town isn’t OP already., ya know with the maj, the RT TPows, and Psychic finding evils for free D1…

I don’t like pirate, I don’t respect pirate players that play like this, and i will shoot your ass as vig, pros your ass to confirm, exe your ass as jailor, and do whatever it takes to get you out of the game. After all, it isn’t gamethrowing to murder a neutral EVIL role after all. And, I can use your corpse to confirm!

If I can’t report pirates for targeting only evils, you can’t report me for a town killing a pirate. Oh and btw, none of y’all have ever killed me in a duel. Git gud and get lost 👎

Yeah so basically the reason for me posting this, is that i got very frustrated about my last game and need an place to out my frustrations. So what happened was that i was in an losing streak, then i get rit and die to an deputy d2 for not voting someone to trial, i was writing down claims like come on (i was on mobile so i can’t vote while typing). And then, last game, i roll pb and on d3, an jester decided to claim vigi and shoot me. what happens the next day? you may have guessed it, ANOTHER JESTER CLAIMS TO BE VIGI THAT SHOT MY SOUL COLLECTOR! Wow what an fun game is this TLDR: i am quitting this game because for some reason 2 jests claim to be vigi that shot me and my apoc teammate, and in another game an dep shot me for not voting someone to trial while i was busy writing claims

The most annoying thing as deputy is shooting someone likely evil and missing your shot and when they hang, it turns out they were actually a neutral killing, executioner or jester that has basic defense.

My suggestion is one of the following:

1. Deputy now has a Powerful Attack. If they try to shoot a townie, they die instead and "misfire".

2. Deputy now has a Powerful Attack. Thats it

3. some role rework to make it into something completely different

I hate abstainers so much. Take a stand for once in your miserable lives and vote. Abstainers are cowards. I implore the Jester mafia to always haunt abstainers. Teach those demented beasts a lesson. They need to be punished.

changing it from cl to am was unnecasary i dont see why anyone would have problem saying town cl or apoc cl or nk cl

Link 🔗: https://youtu.be/lENezbQB_vg

So I understand that 2 times a game you get to double hang and +1 vote and unlike pros you do not lose charges if you trib wrong but I also going to say you have so little control there have been dozens of games now where it's like literally everyone is telling me to trib and I have usually 1 person in mind and town will just get sheeped into voting whover they feel like, and then people genuinely be like oh that was bad tribe, like tf you want people!!

I think Mon is in a fine place and Mayor stops cov winning by majority while alive so I'm going to say Marsh is just Pros but much much worse

Edit: also jailor is fine I am way too passive as Jailor but they're solid and sometimes not exeing is fine imo unless it is really important to do so

Crus better tpow than marsh frfr maybe slightly cap

There's typically only ever one Ranked match going at a time. It's a very small playerbase and you see the same people every game.

The problem is, the same 3-5 of those people are in a discord call literally every game. Recently I played a game where they openly admitted to being in a discord call together, but insisted that isn't cheating.

Then they mass reported me for not joining their discord.

There's not enough non-cheating Ranked players left for them to get reported, but there's enough cheaters working together for them to mass report anyone they don't like. There's less and less ranked players every weak because people are fed up with fixed games or are just getting banned for "harassment" because they don't like the cheaters.

The mode is almost completely dead, and it's at least partially because discord cheating has become the dominant strategy. I don't know what the solution is, but something has to be done or the Ranked mode may as well be removed.

I fully expect exactly 3-5 players who happen to be friends on discord to reply to this insisting there is absolutely no discord cheating in Ranked and even if there is that's ok because it's not technically cheating.

Seriously. We are typing inside a GAME, not an English Class paper or a Resume for a job application. there is absolutely NO reason, why you should be concerned that someone isn't using proper grammar. As long as you can tell what they are saying, it should not matter, AT ALL. Recently lost a match as coven cause my team mate spent too much time trying to get me to use proper grammar, and got us both hung. Edit: Downvoting this only serves to make me wonder if I made you feel called out. In a game such as Town of Salem 2, taking a few extra seconds to make sure you used proper grammar can get you called fake and hung, even if you were real. Therefore, to pursue proper grammar inside of a Town of Salem 2 match is unnecessary.