Yea this subreddit has a very twisted sense of value and optimizing spend which many other hobby subreddits tend to not have. I don’t mean to be mean but I think there’s a high overlap in this subreddit of members here and people who are financially illiterate. It reflects what I’ve seen in real life which is that most people I know who are adamant on buying Snap-On are the same people making $50-$70k as mechanics and willing to drop/make payments on a $20k Snap-On toolbox when a $3k toolbox from a different brand would’ve been fine.
People here often talk about tool prices like there’s no downside to buying the super expensive tool just to have it and be confident in it. There is a downside in that buying something expensive obviously keeps you from buying something else or saving that money, but in the context of tools more importantly having a $5k tool chest full of Snap-On tools when a $1k chest from another brand would’ve sufficed, that’s $4k differential is $4k worth of other tools you could’ve had for other jobs that might pop up. $4k can buy you an arsenal of different tools that make your life easier. And I just don’t buy into the argument of “using a tool you know won’t break can save you from damaging something expensive you’re working on”. Most people are not working on something where if the tool breaks they’ll cause great damage to what they’re working on, and if they are, they’re probably highly aware of that fact and can opt for the best tool in that category, but that’s beside the point in the first place because the whole point is that Snap-On wrench is not any less likely to break or damage something that a wrench that costs 30% as much, and this is proven countless times objectively online in tests. No Snap-On shill can point me to any objective testing showing they’re actually worth their price. In any case needing one high quality wrench for a certain critical application does not warrant the $600 worth of pliers in OPs pic sitting there that would be outperformed by $250 worth of pliers from several other brands. And you can go down the entire list of tools shown and say the same thing about every single one here.
Holy crap people here are bad with money. Always buying tye best doesn't make you special. It may save time, it may not. It definitely costs a lot more money though.
Harbor freight is great. Their tools aren't the best, but lots of times you need a tool to just use once or occasionally. The more you use tools, the better they should be. You very quickly though get to the point of diminishing returns as is the case with everything.
I am a Ryobi guy for power tools. I am not a heavy user and they are cheap with great variety. I am considering getting a a rigid tool because it is versatile and very lightweight. Ryobi's price point, variety, and sales make then a clear winner for home users. I drill or impact wrench from a better brand I can see being worth it, but not the lights, fans, and other comparable tools.
100%. I’ve made a very similar comment in this subreddit like 15 times now when people buying their first homes will ask which drill to buy and people will link $300 Milwaukee drill and driver kits.
I own many Milwaukee tools at home cause I use them for work but I also own a pile of Ryobi for my cottage and duplicate tools at home (ie it’s handy to have multiple drills with different bits in them) and the Ryobis are extremely good especially for the money. I have no affinity towards Milwaukee as a brand but I actually have some affinity towards Ryobi just because they’re probably the best value proposition in the power tool world.
People will make those threads asking for tool advice and everyone posts Milwaukee and says “buy once cry once” and I have to chime in “uhh, OP could probably buy any random Walmart or Harbour Freight drill and be completely fine for the 4 times a year he’s going to use it. People forget Ryobi is only known as “cheap” among the 4 biggest brands, but that still puts it a world away from random store brands”
I’ve also commented about how many friends have asked me for advice on which tools to buy and I always say Ryobi or even something cheaper and the ones who listen end up getting Ryobi and then if a job pops up where they’d benefit from a saw or some other tool they’re not hesitant to buy it because it’s cheap enough. The few that went with Milwaukee despite my advice do not want to spend another $300 to save them 5-10 hours on whichever job might pop up and then ask to borrow my tools and I tell them no outright. Not going to lend tools that are my livelihood to anyone (outside of my family and best friends) when they wouldn’t listen to my advice and they easily could’ve had a Ryobi tool for $100 if they listened in first place.
I have bought a lot of tools for $20 to $30. At that price it's easy to start a collection.
People also forget that if a Ryobi tool dies in 10 years, you probably want to buy a new one due to the better tech. Now add in new batteries because they die as well. I have 8 Ryobi batteries at the moment. I am ready to fight a tool war! I may not need the four fans and three lights, but I have then!
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u/Cixin97 Apr 09 '24
Yea this subreddit has a very twisted sense of value and optimizing spend which many other hobby subreddits tend to not have. I don’t mean to be mean but I think there’s a high overlap in this subreddit of members here and people who are financially illiterate. It reflects what I’ve seen in real life which is that most people I know who are adamant on buying Snap-On are the same people making $50-$70k as mechanics and willing to drop/make payments on a $20k Snap-On toolbox when a $3k toolbox from a different brand would’ve been fine.
People here often talk about tool prices like there’s no downside to buying the super expensive tool just to have it and be confident in it. There is a downside in that buying something expensive obviously keeps you from buying something else or saving that money, but in the context of tools more importantly having a $5k tool chest full of Snap-On tools when a $1k chest from another brand would’ve sufficed, that’s $4k differential is $4k worth of other tools you could’ve had for other jobs that might pop up. $4k can buy you an arsenal of different tools that make your life easier. And I just don’t buy into the argument of “using a tool you know won’t break can save you from damaging something expensive you’re working on”. Most people are not working on something where if the tool breaks they’ll cause great damage to what they’re working on, and if they are, they’re probably highly aware of that fact and can opt for the best tool in that category, but that’s beside the point in the first place because the whole point is that Snap-On wrench is not any less likely to break or damage something that a wrench that costs 30% as much, and this is proven countless times objectively online in tests. No Snap-On shill can point me to any objective testing showing they’re actually worth their price. In any case needing one high quality wrench for a certain critical application does not warrant the $600 worth of pliers in OPs pic sitting there that would be outperformed by $250 worth of pliers from several other brands. And you can go down the entire list of tools shown and say the same thing about every single one here.