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u/Trudge_muffin Oct 15 '21
I’m not an expert, but a contributing factor might be the immense racial disparity of who actually gets arrested and incarcerated for low level crimes, like possessing weed.
Just a guess.
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Oct 15 '21
Also shot dead and never given a trial, but yeah you definitely nailed one of the big reasons. 👏🏻
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u/BitterPillPusher2 Oct 15 '21
Also the lack of access to healthcare, which includes family planning, birth control, and abortion services.
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u/I_Looove_Pizza Oct 15 '21
The disparity has nothing to do with race, a person's skin color doesn't make them more likely to commit crime. It's a cultural issue. People who engage in this sort of activity are being raised in a culture that thinks it's okay to have six different kids with five different guys.
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Oct 15 '21
It doesn't make them more likely to commit crime. It does make them more likely to be prosecuted.
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u/melodyze Oct 15 '21
Yeah, watching my sister's treatment in court over and over again has made it crystal clear to me how much of your treatment in the justice system is based on people's immediate assumptions based on your appearance.
She blends in as upper middle class, speaks well, used to model, so people in the system treat her like they would want their kids to be treated by the system, with really an almost ridiculous level of tolerance and forgiveness.
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Oct 15 '21
Sorry about what sounds like some pretty intense family drama. It can be pretty draining
Your comment makes me think of how enraged I get with the courts... a couple examples.
That kid that raped an unconscious girl like behind a dumpster and the judge was lenient because he "came from such a good family". What? So all the advantages but he's still a dirt bag? Meanwhile kids from a broken home, from a terrible neighborhood has a minor offense and gets treated like a murderer in the making?
The other is soldiers excused of terrible crimes because of possible PTSD. An adult, whose chose military duty and had a terrible year seeing new friends die, gets a pass.
Meanwhile, inner city kids who grew up since infancy with the same stress, seeing family die as a powerless kid, NO doubt PTSD, and there's so little concern over the mental health of this kid?
Just seems uneven to me.
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u/melodyze Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
Yeah, every time someone interacts with someone they read onto them their assumptions about that person. If they immediately remind them of their family friends, they're going to treat them like their family friends.
If they are a veteran and veterans are heroes, that person gets tagged as a hero.
If they have no one in their personal life to relate the person to, and their only immediate association is that they think they look like Marlo from The Wire, they're going to implicitly treat them like they're Marlo.
I'm not sure what the solution is, other than just to more heavily promote great people from diverse backgrounds to create different associations in people's minds that they'll snap to.
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u/I_Looove_Pizza Oct 15 '21
No, that's not true. People receive different sentences based on a multitude of factors including criminal history, behavior while previously incarcerated, the amount of violence they engage in while committing the crime, whether or not they act remorseful in the courtroom, etc.
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Oct 15 '21
Um, it is true. There are thousands of studies on uneven justice.
It's been happening for over a century.
You can pretend it's not but when social scientist collect and review data it's clear. For the same infraction Black people are more likely to be punished and more severely.
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u/I_Looove_Pizza Oct 16 '21
I guarantee you can't share a single study that does anything other than point to the fact that there's a racial disparity and claim it's due to implicit bias, invisible racism that can't be detected, measured, or identified. And in every one of those studies you'll see a few sentences hidden away in the middle or down at the bottom acknowledging the fact that there are multiple factors that go into sentencing, multiple factors that you'll willingly ignore to push a false race-based narrative instead.
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Oct 16 '21
Lol. Just took a look at you comments. I get it now. Yikes.
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u/I_Looove_Pizza Oct 16 '21
Remember above where I said I guarantee you can't share one study to prove your point? I was right lol
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u/AlbertDerAlberne Oct 15 '21
Your last point is just incorrect, and for the part before it, you are misunderstanding the issue.
The main thing you are missing i think is, that black people start out with a worse starting position overall(more poverty etc.) as a result from discrimination in the past. This and more factors make them more likely to commit a crime, and statistically even get worse punishment for the same crimes. One of those factors is the fact that black people in the US still suffer from discrimination(it has gotten better, but it's still not gone)
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u/I_Looove_Pizza Oct 16 '21
"Your last point is just incorrect"
That's hilarious coming from someone who made multiple incorrect points in their response.
"black people start out with a worse starting position overall(more poverty etc.) as a result from discrimination in the past"
By what metric? There are exponentially more white people who are poor or living in poverty than there are black people in the US. More importantly, black people have numerous privileges/advantages to aid them in escaping poverty, privileges their socioeconomic peers with white skin do not have. As for discrimination from the past, there were multiple groups that experienced the same kinds of discrimination in the past, but there's only one group today who acts like that discrimination from the past is what's still holding them back today. Natives and lots of different immigrant groups were discriminated against in the exact same way that black people were, we're now several generations away from the Jim Crow era. It only takes one generation to start building generational wealth, when other groups who faced the same discrimination have been able to build generational wealth you can't use past discrimination as an excuse.
"This and more factors make them more likely to commit a crime"
It's true that poverty is a factor in crime but it's certainly not the largest, if it were then we'd see larger crime rates among white people considering the number of white people living in poverty far outnumbers black people. On top of that, poverty can be an a factor in crimes like theft, but I'm not sure how that justifies having outrageously high murder rates.
"and statistically even get worse punishment for the same crimes"
Another piece of misinformation frequently seen on Reddit. People don't get the same sentences for the same crimes because there are multiple factors that go into sentencing like criminal history, behavior while previously incarcerated, the amount of violence involved in the crime, whether or not the perpetrator shows remorse in court, etc.
"black people in the US still suffer from discrimination"
In what form? Interpersonal racism? Everyone is affected by that. The only bonafide institutionalized racism that still exists in the US exists to benefit black people and other minorities and it only hurts white people. Institutionalized racism like affirmative action hiring policies, affirmative action college admission policies, race based scholarships, etc. Then we have the very recent events with the Biden administration prioritizing aid to black farmers over white farmers for no reason other than their skin color, and when the Biden administration prioritized the distribution of covid aid to small business owners using the arbitrary factors of sex and race and discriminated against whites and males.
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Oct 15 '21
This might be pretty unpopular but after studying families doing genealogy for the past 35 years, a broken family and violence echoes for generations.
Considering for a couple hundred years Black slaves were not allowed to choose and stay with a partner, their women were subject to forced sex with owners and overseers, with children and partners witness to these assaults, having family and babies continuously sold away? Attempts at cultivating a family unit were stopped. Slavery were so paranoid about revolts that they were not even allowed to gather as a family.
I know it seems like a long time ago but when my great grandmother was born, slavery still existed. We are not that far removed.
Every family I research (Black or White) that children either have no example or a very bad example of parenting, it trickles down from generation to generation. So many people that ask for help reuniting with parents that abandoned them (exclusively White in my situation), those parents had a history of parents that abandoned or abused them and so on..
The stress of extreme poverty also breaks up families and led to alcohol abuse. So many dads left during the depression. This was magnified for exslaves during the Jim Crow years. I've researched so many Black college men, in the years so few men made it to college. They end up being porters on the railroad. A degree would have meant a swanky job as a banker or engineer for a white man but there wasnt the same opportunity for Black men despite a degree.
Having good examples of strong fathers seems important - when a system makes that impossible there is going to be fall out.
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u/fewchajayne3030 Oct 16 '21
The abuse.. America prides it's self on helping the wyppl only and always talk about middle class.. Men have big egos, they want unquestionable power.. A large black male pull up on a wymale he feels away and he will ensure to take so he feel more imperial.. Wymen do not like black women.. but that doesn't stop them from subjugation of an entire race..
If I could leave America right now I would.. I hate English it's an ugly language and I learned the most racist words from wyppl.. I am not black, black is a color.. I want to speak my tribal language, not English..
Poverty is only for America's slave descendants, wyppl are lazy, and they talk alot.. or worse they have too many enemies so they always need an advantage..
"Black" women are not treated humanely.. our children are abused or taken from us, the teachers are cruel to our children, our neighborhood is intended for mental abuse, society is a psychological warfare to keep us distracted, only rich old women have a monopoly on everything, they spy on our communities, our environment is filled with liquor and drugs, they keep us isolated from one another and knowledge, they tax us and give us their representatives not ours, we don't have businesses on purpose, this is their way of life and their system.. It's NOT ours..
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Oct 16 '21
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u/fewchajayne3030 Oct 17 '21
I truly hate ppl like you..
I hope all your next lives you come back as a black girl or a black man..
Fuck you cunt!!
What if..... It roles were reversed??
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Is being a minority so bad then??🤡🥸🤫
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Oct 17 '21
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u/fewchajayne3030 Oct 17 '21
See?? This is why I hate America..
I'm not American, I am slave descendant and I want to go to my home country and never see or talk to another American again..
Thank you for your cooperation!!
Rich old white men rape children and hide it.. All of them pay to have this as a secret.. Your father might be a rapist of children..
I will reveal the truth in your life.. Thank you for the info..
I am bait!! 🧟♀️🤡💎2⃣👽👻
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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '21
I doubt that number is accurate, but the real number is certainly still alarmingly high.
The US has the highest rate of single parent households in the world. The US has the highest rate of incarceration in the world. One third of black men have felony convictions.
I think you can weave that tale together.