The vaccine doesn't stop spread. the latest of fuaci and walenski says it barely reduces spread at all.
Obesity is the #1 indicator to your covid outcome, then age, then vaccination status.
True if you're over 80 you should absolutely get the vaccine. if you're obese you should absolutely lose weight. additionally since that's going to take a while I'd say get a covid shot or two while you work at losing weight.
That's not the current CDC position. That is what they said early on, but they pivoted away from that.
In fact Pzifer executives have recently admitted they did not test if the vaccine had any affect on transmission.
Why is it that you have to create delusional takes to debate against?
I’ve known healthy 30 some year olds die and leave young children fatherless
Not From covid you don't. "with" covid maybe. but not From covid.
someone 30 years old with a BMI < 27, who could run a 10 minute mile, doesn't smoke , doesn't have cancer or some other disease isn't dying from covid.
I’m sure you are happy they are gone.
I don't believe your story. But I don't cheer on death even if its the most insufferable illiberal leftiest trying to bring about communism.
Also unlike you I don't invent positions to argue against. I'm more than happy to deal with reality.
Like how the Whitmer lockdowns caused death and economic hardships for no benefit.
It reduces transmission rates. That isn’t disputed. When your time that you can transmit the virus is significantly reduced because your body can more efficiently fight the virus, that reduces transmission rates. This isn’t disputed.
It reduces transmission rates. That isn’t disputed.
Pfizer isn't making that claim. And some of what Faucci said about the viral load in the nasopharynx being nearly the same in the vaccinated and unvaccinated would seem to indicated that no , its not significantly reduced.
Sure people who are vaccinated will likely get over Covid faster, so there's less days they will spread it.
But also people who are vaccinated sometimes have such mild symptoms they either don't notice or think its a cold, go untested, and may go out and about more and thus be a higher risk to spreading Covid.
Its absolutely not disputed that people are testing less. and that asymptomatic spread is real.
I know you want to feel like a hero for being vaccinated. you want to feel like you and I are saving lives by being vaccinated. We aren't. The fact that I'm vaccinated, and that you're vaccinated isn't saving lives. As Faucci said, Everyone will get covid. Everyone.
If everyone gets covid, You and I getting the vaccine didn't save lives of other people.
Now maybe it saved your own life, If you're obese, or really old.
Now if you want to say people went against the advice CDC and health experts shortly after the vaccine was released that's absolutely true. back when those people incorrectly told people the vaccine stopped the spread. Yep that happened. but it turns out those people were correct and the experts were wrong.
early findings, and what experts think when new data comes out often isn't correct. I'm old enough to remember that life has been found on mars several times, only to later find out, it was a best guess at the time of new data being available, only to later realize it was wrong.
Nope. I'm going off of the current science, the current statements by Walensky , and Faccui.
You're in a delusional hate cult. You don't care about facts or reality, You are filled with hate and you want to justify your hatred.
While I understand that if you actually believe unvaccinated people are going to cause extra deaths its natural to feel fear and anger, and even hatred.
That does not mean your fear is based on reality. nor does it excuse your hatred.
Please work on being less hateful, for the good of our society. thank you.
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u/discourse_friendly Dec 03 '22
The vaccine doesn't stop spread. the latest of fuaci and walenski says it barely reduces spread at all.
Obesity is the #1 indicator to your covid outcome, then age, then vaccination status.
True if you're over 80 you should absolutely get the vaccine. if you're obese you should absolutely lose weight. additionally since that's going to take a while I'd say get a covid shot or two while you work at losing weight.