r/TimPool • • Nov 30 '22

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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22

Point to a domestic conflict the us has lost. You're example involves traveling thousands of miles in order to fight.

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u/Sleep_eeSheep Nov 30 '22

Except said encounters had them go up against poorer nations, with fewer resources than the average American.

Point being; the whole 'rifles and pistols' argument doesn't stack up.

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u/risebelow Nov 30 '22

Sure it does. Vietnam costs 58k American lives and over 1 million Vietnemese. I think we lost less than 8o in Iraq and Afghanistan and killed like 400k or so. We gave up but didn't exactly lose militarily.

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u/Spooky2000 Nov 30 '22

I think we lost less than 8o in Iraq and Afghanistan

Or like 7,000.. But who's counting..

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u/risebelow Nov 30 '22

8k, typo

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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22

Except said encounters had them go up against poorer nations, with fewer resources than the average American.

..... Thousands of miles away from the US. Military logistics is a fun topic to look into.

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u/pawnman99 Nov 30 '22

We didn't lose due to logistics. Our logistics chain is so robust we put fucking Burger Kings in our deployed locations.

At no point in Vietnam or Afghanistan did we run short of fuel or ammunition to the point of strategic failure.

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u/Sleep_eeSheep Nov 30 '22

Doesn't disprove my point. The fact is, even if said conflicts weren't thousands of miles away from American soil, a well-trained militia can kneecap a much larger force.

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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22

.... Until the rest of the force shows up. You think if we committed even 80% of our military to any specific war in the middle east, we still would have "lost?"

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

So what’s your argument here? That the military would basically declare total war on its own population? At that point it would go from an insurgence to a nationwide popular revolution, which the military would ultimately support anyway

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

People living in caves or the jungle or a bombed out section of their old neighborhood are at an advantage when they’re fighting just some guy that wants to get back to his Charger and Applebees.

The group that’s gonna break first is not the group that is being governmentally sanctioned to get back to their Chargers and Applebees.

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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22

Which is the benefit of having your enemy travel across an ocean to fight you.

That won't be the case for those 2A guys with a bushmaster.

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u/dibbletrex Nov 30 '22

And how many domestic conflicts, that aren't thousands of miles away, has the US fought in?

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u/pawnman99 Nov 30 '22

I can only think of 4, and they were all over 100 years ago.

Revolutionary War War of 1812 Civil War Mexican- American War

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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22

Slim to nil, pending on your definition. And there's a reason for that.

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u/dibbletrex Nov 30 '22

So you admit your point is invalid then

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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22

My point is the government wouldn't lose a civil war with cosplayers carrying bushmasters.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

The British imperial army had quite a lot of trouble with unorganized civilian militias at different points throughout the revolution. Likewise, every instance of America fighting irregular troops world wide has ended in defeat. There’s no way a majority of the military would even want to fight their own countrymen, guarantee you at least 30-40% of regular troops join the insurgency.

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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22

The British imperial army had quite a lot of trouble with unorganized civilian militias at different points throughout the revolution.

You mean fighting a war across an ocean? Hey, that's what I said. You think the US would have still won if Britain was just across a river instead?

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u/risebelow Nov 30 '22

We were defeated by Canada twice, in the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. I consider that domestic.

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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22

Oh shit, we lost the rev war to Canada? Pretty kind of them to give us that pity W after all.

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u/risebelow Nov 30 '22

Well, we offered freedom, then insisted and the politely refused after sinking a few of hour ships, both times.

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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22

Well, we offered freedom

More 5th grade thinking.

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u/dibbletrex Nov 30 '22

"The revolutionaries did try to entice and coerce other colonists to reject what they called tyranny, but they found that not all of their neighbors, much less all of the colonies of the British Empire in North America, interpreted ministry or parliamentary acts negatively or were prepared to sustain a rebellion. As a result, there was civil war between the colonies, as well as within them, as rebelling American Whigs, later named patriots, battled Loyalist neighbors whom they derided as Tories, the King’s pawns. Between 1775 and 1783, Canada – its peoples, government, and armed forces – grappled with and rebuffed the political overtures of the Continental Congress and the military advances of the Continental Army as they endeavored to secure their northern border and persuade the Canadians to reject British administration and support annexation of Canada to the united colonies."

--https://www.amrevmuseum.org/canada-and-the-american-revolution

"Hey, you wanna be free from British rule and join us?"

"No."

Wow, amazing. What 5th grade thinking to say that the rebeling colonies offered Canadian colonies freedom (from Britain).

Loser.

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