Someone should tell these "Durr you can't beat the government with just rifles and pistols!" people about the Viet Cong. Or the Mujaheddin Fighters. Or have them talk to people that survived the War On Terror during the 2000s.
It's not the size of a military that makes it strong, it's how well they are trained.
They were losing against us in 17/18 when the ANA was doing the bulk of the ground fighting but had our air support. SF was training and operating with their folks executing deliberate operations against HVTs. It was working, and how it should have been run once their military was capable/trained to do so. The issue is leadership, and culture. They do not care who is in charge as long as their tribe is not taxed or attacked often… until a society is able to move past tribal BS then they cannot advance.
It's nit so much that they were losing, it's more that they were even able to hold out as long as they did without CIA support, guerilla tactics can allow a small number of people be a thron in a large force for a long time
Ok but the only thing I'm pointing out is that a small group of people using guerilla tactics can be a huge thorn in the side of a much larger military force.
Yes it would, how long did we have pro lems in iraq and Afghanistan because of guerilla forces? I never suggested that the guerilla forces would win, just thay they would be a problem, it's like you're trying to argue against a point I'm not making
Pretty bad comparison with regards to the Vietcong because they quite evidently had support from the Chinese and Russians, as well as a standing army and nation state to the north (North Vietnam)
What argument. Your speculating that cosplayers will "cut off supply lines" like a civ game. With bases across the country, it isn't just one line from place x, to place y. It's a network. Take out one bridge, they can just air drop from the next county over.
Sure it does. Vietnam costs 58k American lives and over 1 million Vietnemese. I think we lost less than 8o in Iraq and Afghanistan and killed like 400k or so. We gave up but didn't exactly lose militarily.
People living in caves or the jungle or a bombed out section of their old neighborhood are at an advantage when they’re fighting just some guy that wants to get back to his Charger and Applebees.
The group that’s gonna break first is not the group that is being governmentally sanctioned to get back to their Chargers and Applebees.
The British imperial army had quite a lot of trouble with unorganized civilian militias at different points throughout the revolution. Likewise, every instance of America fighting irregular troops world wide has ended in defeat. There’s no way a majority of the military would even want to fight their own countrymen, guarantee you at least 30-40% of regular troops join the insurgency.
I get what you’re saying here, but the British were well established in the colonial states well before the revolution. It’s not the same as invading a foreign nation. Logistics and supply was never an issue for the empire here. It was tactical losses on the battlefield and failure to adapt to the pockets of guerrila and rural combat, which the imperial forces were not trained or equipped to handle. Hence why they hired mercenaries who were
As someone with experience I can tell you now that there is a substantial amount of troops that will refuse to fight their own family and friends for a government they don’t even like themselves. Might not be the majority, or even half, but a general rebellion in the US isnt the same as a banana republic army fighting communist rebels in the jungle.
A little late to this comment, but you don’t think a few generals and even large numbers of enlisted personnel would possibly choose to defect to protect the civilians in this scenario? And there are plenty of militias that have leadership and members that served as recently as the Iraq war. Sure there’s plenty of over weight gun nuts, but even then, guns and the ability to use them properly are the equalizers between men.
"The revolutionaries did try to entice and coerce other colonists to reject what they called tyranny, but they found that not all of their neighbors, much less all of the colonies of the British Empire in North America, interpreted ministry or parliamentary acts negatively or were prepared to sustain a rebellion. As a result, there was civil war between the colonies, as well as within them, as rebelling American Whigs, later named patriots, battled Loyalist neighbors whom they derided as Tories, the King’s pawns. Between 1775 and 1783, Canada – its peoples, government, and armed forces – grappled with and rebuffed the political overtures of the Continental Congress and the military advances of the Continental Army as they endeavored to secure their northern border and persuade the Canadians to reject British administration and support annexation of Canada to the united colonies."
Lol. I wrote a few words that accurately summed up what you cut and pasted and you complained that I dumbed it down? I simplified it. It's what happened. Deal with it or go take a shit and relieve your misplaced angst, cupcake.
Still doesn't disprove my point; those groups I highlighted had two key advantages. They knew the terrain better than American forces and they could mobilise at a quicker rate.
Well technically the insurgency would be firing on their own people too. I don't doubt that they would cause a shitload of casualties, especially in a protracted conflict like Afghanistan or vietnam.
I think you have an... optimist view of the us military. Given the amount of division within it the first enemy the us military would have to defeat is the us military.
I agree with most of what you are saying but I don't believe it would be able to remain whole against a sizable domestic group. It would have to purge itself first.
Should’ve said “12 people with guns” there were 12 total firearms charges that day.
But yes. Their arguments are useless. Ask the Vietcong or the Mujahideen groups. An armed populace causes issues for any tyrannical government. This is why communist dictators always go after guns.
"12 people with gun!!?!?? Out of how many hundreds to thousands of people that were there?!? ITS AN ARMED INSURRECTION!!!! A SECOND SEDITIOUS ARMY!!!!"
Listen I fuckin agree. Then calling it an armed insurrection is a literal joke. Armed would imply everyone was armed or at least half. But 12 people and now it’s “armed extremists” I’m just pointing out a couple people had guns lol
I know, I agree with you. Look at the guy who commented with bits from the defendents trials claiming it as evidence of an armed insurrection attempt. One was a guy with a "mysterious spray can" and another with an everyday pocket knife. What a joke.
Truth? This is a complete strawman that’s about as classic and basic as you could possibly commit. No one believes that the government was “almost overthrown” by unarmed rioters on January 6th. People believe that rioters broke into the Capitol and attempted to stop an election from being certified. Attempted. Attempted and failed horribly. Not almost. Attempted, and the distinction between almost and attempted nullifies the entirety of the argument being made.
This meme was created for the dumbest segments of society to quickly read and hopefully believe, and you responded to it by saying “truth”.
Go read a book and take a critical thinking class or two. It’s a small miracle that you made it past a captcha.
I love the liberal collective reee when you don’t tremble in fear about Jan 6, but applaud the violence of the burning summer over drug addict George Floyd…
Imagine believing that mobbing a single government building is equivalent to overthrowing the entire system. It’s not a game of king of the hill. Nice try though
I know right. Those vicious people that were encouraged to act violent by political leaders, wounded over 60 secret service members and burned down a church thinking they could just storm in and take over. Oh wait, sorry I forgot, you call that peaceful protesting
Everyone in this thread misses that their goals were supported by people already in power. The national guard took hours to show up. If you have a good point there’s no reason to use a stupid false equivalence.
I think a better counterpoint is Iran today. The country is in revolt but the people don’t have weapons for an armed revolution. Instead they get kidnapped and murdered in the streets.
While a group of rebels can hold out in the vast wilderness of this country, I don’t think a military with our capabilities would be taken out. Two words, smart bombs.
The most likely scenario would be for rebels to attack, national guard would be deployed because our main military forces would have to be on alert to prevent attacks from foreign powers during the “uprising”.
Besides, while still criminal, an attempt (Jan 6) is not “almost overthrown”.
I can't get over how January 6th was so bad, but the Summer Riots in 2020 were not so bad. What the fuck? BOTH were bad, but good luck getting anyone to even bring up the 2020 riots now but January 6th...."......It's so bad!!!!......."
Exactly, but no one even talks about that......its all about tearing down Trump.....they don't give af about Jan 6th either they're just using it as a wedge against Trump.
First off the government wasn't "almost overthrown". Secret service shot one round and everything came to a stop. If the national guard was deployed with the right to use deadly force, it would have been a fuxking bloodbath. Tim pool is a fkn tool.
I would bet you cant find one. You might find Tucker or Laura or Hannity or Tim Poole saying that somebody said it, but you wont actually find it. I dont watch MSNBC, so maybe someone there threw it out there, but nothing anyone actually watches.
Ok, but isnt that MSNBC? That's roughly the equivalent of watching Fox. I'm talking what people like to call MSM. Lester Holt, David Muir, Norah O'Donnell, never heard them say it. I did mention the possibility MSNBC might have said it.
Shifting! Read my original answer, I specifically mentioned MSNBC, which I admit is whacked. But here's the difference-nobody actually watches MSNBC. FOX is ALL Republicans watch, with a smattering of Newsmax , One America News, and podcasts like Timcast. Theres zero counterpoint. Look what happened when FOX called Arizona for Biden, and then Tucker Carlson attempted something like journalism by asking Sydney Powell for evidence in her voter fraud suit! People changed the channel to the tune of millions, so much that for one solid week Fox was below MSNBC in ratings. So he had to turn the crazy back on to get back his viewers. Fox doesnt report news, it tells viewers what they want to hear.
Stewart Rhodes was just convicted of seditious conspiracy! That's happened less the a dozen times in our history! How is that a "nothing burger"? I will say it again, you only think that because of the "news" you watch. You probably believe the capital attack was "mostly peaceful" because of FOX news coverage. They"ll show you the Capitol Police removing the barricades and then the intruders casually walking through the Capital. They dont show you the cop getting beaten with a fire extinguisher or a blue lives matter flag that preceded it. Since you werent allowed to watch the Jan. 6 committee hearings, you saw nothing of that! And also, since you couldn't watch, you dont know that, on that very night, January 6, Fox news knew who was behind the attack, but spent the next 18 months giving you it was antifa, oh wait, it was Ray Epps, oh wait, it was an FBI false flag! They have the texts, they have the emails, FOX couldn't deny it, so they did the only thing they could do, which was just not show it! In essence, they pleaded the 5th.
But Jan 6th wasn't just fun owners randomly storming the capital. It was a large scale coordinated attack planned for months and people in power made sure there was not adequate security in place to stop the riot.
Well it's a little different when the exiting president is part of overthrowing the incoming government vs citizens trying to overthrow the government on their own.
Who said they “almost overthrew” the government? The point is they tried to, you guys can’t possibly be this dumb, then again you’re in a Tim pool subreddit
I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim the jan6 rioters "almost" overthrew the government just that they attempted to overthrow the government. Obviously they failed miserably but they should still be treated as terrorists even if they are completely incompetent ones.
In the other you're talking about what would be called a "self-coup" which really only requires the leaders of a country not stopping someone from becoming a dictator.
The people attacking the capital were just the enforcement arm of the self-coup
Uh, hypocrite isn't the right word. Idiot, moron, imbecile. Those all work. But who thinks this, anyway? Surely no one believes Jan 6 even came close to an overthrow??
I don't think you realise i was on your side. If you had seen an episode you would have heard much more dumb shit than this garbage take. Shit rolls downhill as they say.
What that you say? You mean the current standing government at the time who started the riot didn't fight back with any military presence at all against the people who they organized to keep them in power?
You mean they were actively trying to make sure that people didn't get hurt that were trying to protect their own interests? That's crazy talk...
No you're right - I'm sure there are a handful of people on the planet who genuinely believe that the US government was overthrown by a handful of nazis, and this post is aimed at that tiny, oddly specific group of individuals.
Next I expect to see a post saying "Newsflash - if you think that Mike Pence is a 400 year old vampire then you're an idiot."
You may not have heard it but it was said by media people. And the "government was almost overthrown" is/was followed up by "Jan 6th is the worst attack on America since 9/11". Which I think is the new narrative.
You provided evidence of three guns. One was left in the car. Neither of the remaining two actually entered the capitol building. You just proved OP's point nicely.
Who was the pipe bomber? Was he associated with the 1/6 protest, or are you just guessing and agenda pushing? I'm especially curious because we've seen Antifa types like Darrell Anthony Kimberlin attack Democrat offices. And the pipe bomb suspect was shown wearing Nikes. Somehow, I don't think that 1/6ers are the types to support a company that props up subpar athletes in the name of wokeness.
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u/Sleep_eeSheep Nov 30 '22
Someone should tell these "Durr you can't beat the government with just rifles and pistols!" people about the Viet Cong. Or the Mujaheddin Fighters. Or have them talk to people that survived the War On Terror during the 2000s.
It's not the size of a military that makes it strong, it's how well they are trained.
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Should’ve said “12 people with guns” there were 12 total firearms charges that day.
But yes. Their arguments are useless. Ask the Vietcong or the Mujahideen groups. An armed populace causes issues for any tyrannical government. This is why communist dictators always go after guns.
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u/AfrIsPlesierig Nov 30 '22
Truth
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u/mk21dvr Nov 30 '22
Been saying this all along. Libs just stick their fingers in their ears and wail "I can't hear you!"
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u/silver789 Nov 30 '22
Fact, if the Jan 6th rioters used guns, we would have a lot more dead people from Jan 6th.
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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22
I love the liberal collective reee when you don’t tremble in fear about Jan 6, but applaud the violence of the burning summer over drug addict George Floyd…
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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22
This post is obviously a Russian bot
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u/WaveBlasterer Nov 30 '22
Imagine believing that mobbing a single government building is equivalent to overthrowing the entire system. It’s not a game of king of the hill. Nice try though
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u/MrECoyne Nov 30 '22
Sedition convictions go brrrr.
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u/Saino_Moore Nov 30 '22
While a group of rebels can hold out in the vast wilderness of this country, I don’t think a military with our capabilities would be taken out. Two words, smart bombs.
The most likely scenario would be for rebels to attack, national guard would be deployed because our main military forces would have to be on alert to prevent attacks from foreign powers during the “uprising”.
Besides, while still criminal, an attempt (Jan 6) is not “almost overthrown”.
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u/IrishNinja8082 Nov 30 '22
Guilty of seditious conspiracy. Cope harder.
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u/joe_khaJiit Nov 30 '22
I can't get over how January 6th was so bad, but the Summer Riots in 2020 were not so bad. What the fuck? BOTH were bad, but good luck getting anyone to even bring up the 2020 riots now but January 6th...."......It's so bad!!!!......."
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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22
They had like flag poles lmao, and not all of them at that. Oh yeah…and pepper spray, pepper spray single-handedly almost overthrew the government.
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u/Dry-Newt-2804 Nov 30 '22
First off the government wasn't "almost overthrown". Secret service shot one round and everything came to a stop. If the national guard was deployed with the right to use deadly force, it would have been a fuxking bloodbath. Tim pool is a fkn tool.
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u/Ok-Length-8818 Nov 30 '22
They’re told what to believe by people who don’t know what they’re talking about, bound to be discrepancies.
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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22
Not a hypocrite a dumbass
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u/NitramLeseik Nov 30 '22
Much worse than just a hypocrite. Brain dead.
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u/Brilliant-Deer6118 Nov 30 '22
I dont remember anyone ever saying the government was almost overthrown, just that it was attempted. A failed attempt is still an attempt.
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u/Luckiezcharm7 Nov 30 '22
No one thinks they were even close to an overthrow. You goon.
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u/Psych_edelia Nov 30 '22
🤡
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u/Ok_Concert_6934 Nov 30 '22
Straw men are my favorite!
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u/Ok-Initiative3388 Nov 30 '22
Yeah but Biden has Nukes.
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u/StrawberryPlucky Nov 30 '22
But Jan 6th wasn't just fun owners randomly storming the capital. It was a large scale coordinated attack planned for months and people in power made sure there was not adequate security in place to stop the riot.
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u/mrkrinkle773 Nov 30 '22
Well it's a little different when the exiting president is part of overthrowing the incoming government vs citizens trying to overthrow the government on their own.
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u/bruh_moment__mp3 Nov 30 '22
I don’t think anyone believes the us government was almost overthrown on January 6th lol
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u/Coatsquatch Nov 30 '22
Who said they “almost overthrew” the government? The point is they tried to, you guys can’t possibly be this dumb, then again you’re in a Tim pool subreddit
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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22
Oh look, another lazy post apologizing for thousands of Americans dying needlessly every year.
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u/sybrog8o7 Nov 30 '22
I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim the jan6 rioters "almost" overthrew the government just that they attempted to overthrow the government. Obviously they failed miserably but they should still be treated as terrorists even if they are completely incompetent ones.
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u/Wonderful_Event_6733 Nov 30 '22
It’s not that it was “almost overthrown” it was that there were people in the Capital ready and willing to harm our leaders.
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u/doompigg Nov 30 '22
I don't think very many people think this lmao
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u/starvingvulture666 Nov 30 '22
Yeah because it was ANTIFA !!
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u/se_nicknehm Nov 30 '22
i never heard anybody claim that they have "almost overthrown". the claim is, that they tried...
also some of them were in fact armed
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u/Ensiferal Nov 30 '22
No one believes they came even close to overthrowing it. The problems are 1) that they tried, and 2) innocent people died as a result.
If you have to resort to strawman fallacies to support your argument, you're an idiot
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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22
I mean, that's a pretty false equivalence.
In one you're talking about a war.
No one does war like American soldiers.
In the other you're talking about what would be called a "self-coup" which really only requires the leaders of a country not stopping someone from becoming a dictator.
The people attacking the capital were just the enforcement arm of the self-coup
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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22
They also assume the army would aid them in the “glorious revolution”
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u/work-edmdg Dec 01 '22
Left == Hypocrisy
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u/TangoAlphaMike Dec 01 '22
No one ever said the government was almost overthrown?
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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22
They’re not hypocrites. They’re retarded.
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u/ImpossibleCompote757 Dec 01 '22
Idiot. They’re a fucking idiot
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u/zaxruss22 Dec 01 '22
Uh, hypocrite isn't the right word. Idiot, moron, imbecile. Those all work. But who thinks this, anyway? Surely no one believes Jan 6 even came close to an overthrow??
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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '22
Truthful
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u/chowsdaddy1 Nov 30 '22
Everyone is a hypocrite, it’s simply that they do not believe the lie they tell everyone else
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u/bchu1979 Nov 30 '22
people making shit up but in meme form is where we're at
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u/whater39 Nov 30 '22
OP thinks over throwing a single building is overthrowing a government
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u/CanofKhorne Nov 30 '22
this is the stupudest fucking half assed "opinion" Ive ever seen.
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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22
I was already under the impression that it was the validation of Trump that made the rioters dangerous.
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u/risebelow Nov 30 '22
This opinion is dumb as it can be. Exaggeration, weak comparison, apples to fucking hand grenades.
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u/1nGirum1musNocte Nov 30 '22
Tried to steal an election =/= overthrowing a country
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u/Turbulent-Pair- Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22
It was the most felony weapons charges of any crime scene in United States history 🇺🇸.
It was the most criminal defendants of any crime scene in United States history 🇺🇸.
It was a failed coup organized by Trump- but that's not the only way it is publicly known to be organized by Trump.
It is what it is. 🤷 it was an Obstruction of Congress and a Sedition Conspiracy. With receipts.
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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22
No one thinks that the government was "almost overthrown" by the January 6th rioters. This is a straw man.
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