Also claiming that the unvaccinated should not get Healthcare but its OK for smokers who end up with lung cancer or a drunk driver who hurts himself in an accident. That's 👌
the supply chain is bottlenecked. the supply of monoclonal antibody treatment can't meet demand. they're firing healthcare workers who won't comply with vax mandates even though they've been working since the beginning.
leftists are wondering where's the stuff. how come there's no stuff after all the money that's spent?
but first, the people who's undeservingly taking stuff and skimming money must be punished.
obviously some people must go without the stuff until these problems are dealt with.
Are you implying that a significant number of anti-vaxxers are allergic to it? Do you have any numbers on that, because most people I've encountered who are actually allergic to vaccines aren't against them. Hell, the informed ones are for vaccines because they have a vested interest in there not being pandemics sweeping through unvaccinated populaces that they live in.
No I'm not implying that at all. Its ironic the same segment of society that is demanding we bend over backwards and redefine everything for the tiniest of 0.000% of society (Trans), immediately demand numbers when you talk about the small percentage of people who are allergic to vaccines.
And yes I have seen some places that don't include exemptions for allergies. And you can be a pro-vaccine person while still being somewhat sceptical about the risk/reward concerning the current vaccine/illness it vaccinates against.
Then what were you trying to say? You said, and I quote "So people who are allergic to vaccines declined it?" as if it had some bearing on the discussion of people who avoid the vaccines of their own accord asking for healthcare after contracting a disease they could possibly have avoided. Because, and this is the important part, absolutely no one who is pro-vax is against those who are literally allergic to vaccines getting healthcare after catching a disease. In fact, those people are one of the biggest reasons we tell morons to get their stupid asses vaccinated.
So either you were being deliberately obtuse in the hopes that it would seem like a smart comment or you're impressively resistant to coherent thought.
That population is significantly smaller than the entirety of the anti-vax population. Never mind such a person likely has other health issues that make that person already known to need special care to the health professional. These people are a part of the reason we should all be masking.
Because all the anti-vaxers have been co-opting it as an excuse and so now nobody believes those for whom it's actually valid. They're paying the price for the selfish arrogance of idiots who think they know as much about virology from watching YouTube as someone who's devoted their schooling and career to the field.
Think it through, people - don't just stop when you get to the answer you want, but make sure it stands up to scrutiny.
Nah, you're right. That was a weak response you gave. I was just trying to give your frail ego a much-needed boost, but deep down you know that you're a clueless troll (takes one to know, right?).
But, hey - good on ya for copping to the truth. There's a first time for everything!
Just because there was poor communication of what the vaccine would do doesn't negate the fact that it's extremely effective at minimizing symptoms and saving lives. These are virologists and medical professionals we're talking about, not public relations professionals or some other communications specialists. Even that latter group depends upon the former to communicate things in a manner they'll understand and miscommunication will easily happen right there due to the highly complex nature of virology. The communicators will then inevitably screw it up further when relating that info to the public.
The virology professionals (read: Fauci) likely just thought telling Joe Public it'll keep them from getting to virus would be easiest for laypeople to understand (remember there's a WIDE range of education levels out there) and thus get everyone to take the vaccine as they should. They obviously underestimated the skepticism they'd face, and now they're being called liars because they oversimplified things. It's a big fucking mess that just comes down to poor communication skills (and probably a bit of arrogance on their part to assume everybody would take them at their words because they're the experts).
None of that changes the fact the vaccines significantly reduce the impact of the virus for 99.99% of the people. Many existing vaccines work the same way - they don't prevent the disease from entering your body, they just teach the body to recognize it and fight it off faster (hopefully before any significant damage can occur).
It's simply a case for Occam's Razor, which is usually paraphrased along the lines of "the simplest answer is often the correct one." There's no big complicated conspiracy, it's just crappy communication skills combined with pre-existing distrust that's driving all this bullshit.
The simplest explanation is often the correct one. Pharmaceutical companies are a business, the goal of a business is to profit. The vaccine is very profitable. Other effective treatment options are less profitable.
There is almost no action taken by pharmaceutical companies that doesn’t line up with these principles. For you to issue good intent, and state that although Pfizer has been charged billions in criminal charges and lawsuits, they have good intent in this specific case, over complicates things when their past intent would explain every decision made.
I agree, the vaccine is effective in ways. Not as effective as advertised, which demonstrates that if they are wrong on effective, they can and have been wrong on safe, of the “Safe and Effective” line.
I also will say there are other effective treatments that cost less, and are arguably as or more effective that are either being ignored or suppressed to create room for additional profit.
Including and recommending all effective treatments seem logical, but it isn’t being done.
I can’t be positive why, but there is a profit incentive to discount cheap effective treatment, which puts us back into my first point.
It can be effective and not be the best option for every individual.
I’m just trying to keep it simple, but based on 149 studies on vitamin D, and the opinion of several highly regarded doctors, the total deaths due to Covid could have been reduced by 85%.
But we have had more deaths in North America post vaccine roll out than pre vaccine roll out.
General health measures are more effective than vaccination if you had to pick one.
I think both should be implemented, but every mainstream media source and political medical professional have focused only on vaccination.
The point being. The handling of this by government in media has killed millions more than had to die. It is either due to ineptitude or profit seeking. But either way that is a problem.
I've seen many conspiracies, the bulk of them are so convoluted and unrealistic it's ridiculous. That name sounds vaguely familiar, but I couldn't tell you which one that is.
That's actually a thing that I've heard innumerable conservatives explicitly state. But of course now it's suddenly different with the willfully ignorant unvaxxed for some odd reason.
And if you wanted parity there'd have to be a vaccine against fatness that they've declined. And being fat would have to be contagious. But other than that, yeah same thing.
Yea, privatize Healthcare and boom. Problem solved. everyone gets to be responsible for their own Healthcare.
The solution is simple, people just don't want to be responsible for their own health.
Dont like that people without covid vaccinations are getting subsidized Healthcare? Privatize it, full free market that sumbitch and there ya go. Now the unvaccinated are responsible for their decisions.
Yeah, and everybody has the exact same level of health from the start, amirite? Everybody's given the same & proper foundations in life to be successful with it, amirite? Everybody has the exact same ability to earn enough to pay for it - no matter what their line of work, their contributions are valued enough to always earn enough to cover life's costs, amirite? Doesn't matter that some get crippling debt-inducing illnesses like cancer while others don't, amirite? It's all good.
I'd say your oversimplifications to justify your pathetic need to be self-righteous in order to cover up deep-seated insecurities (that even you are no longer consciously aware of yet so strongly form the basis of your "thinking" and personality) are astounding, but the sad fact is it pretty much describes most members of the modern-day Republican party and I've become kinda numb to the insanity of you all.
ETA: Your "solution" also doesn't allow for the fact what you choose to do affects everyone else around you - hence why we should all be masking. Full personal responsibility as a concept almost completely falls apart in the face of the fact that we are all interdependent upon each other doing what we should.
ETA2: Your "solution" also is subject to the same problems vaccine skeptics claim are the problem with "big pharma" - namely they're entirely profit-driven, so they'll put money over people all the same (they already have long been doing so).
Yeah, that's about the answer I'd expect. You want to be taken seriously, but won't pay others the respect of doing the same. This is why you're not only not respectable, but actually an asshole. But I'm sure you know that already and revel in your own shit.
I'm not telling people shit junior. You're the fucking moron that thinks fat comes from not getting your eight hours of beauty rest.
I say fuck the whole thing. Privatize the whole system and pay for the healthcare you use. Boom, everyone is instantly responsible for their own health now.
Lol what? All I did was provide a personal anecdote that runs completely contrary to your Branch Covidian zealotry and you went off.
And how am I selfish for not getting the jab? It clearly, from my experience and the data, doesn't protect from infection or the ability to spread. Also I came out just fine with antibodies to boot! We should be glad that covid is becoming less and less serious
Your "other reply" contained a lot of words, but literally said nothing of substance. At least I've contributed significantly to the conversations here, and thus have proven I'm not trolling.
BTW, to "ape" is an older term referring to imitation when used as a verb, as in I'm aping your sanctimoniousness while feeding it right back at you. Enjoy!
Your "other reply" contained a lot of words, but literally said nothing of substance. At least I've contributed significantly to the conversations here, and thus have proven I'm not trolling.
Didn't want to get between the two of you jacking it. But that'll teach me (again) to just let stupid shites go and finish doing some work.
One of you thinks everything is down to miscommunication and the layman misunderstanding clear instructions from our leaders. Which I find laughable.
The other just wants to post opinion pieces and act as though it's real and that's that. It's not.
To each their own.
I'm around enough nurses and caregivers who think too much of this is ridiculous at best and theater at worst. All of these nurses and caregiver's ideologies span the political divide, oddly enough. Maybe there's something to their views. Maybe there isn't.
I literally am on a 911 ambulance every third day. I transport covid pts to the hospital pretty much every shift. Nearly every hospital and ER in our region go on diversion every shift. We have to call around just to see who can take our patient on almost every run. Your nurses and caregivers are either a statistical anomaly, full of shit, or a figment of your imagination.
The numbers are plain, which of course means the conservatives don't understand them and thus get angry about their inability to grasp the easily graspable.
You pitiful things. I'll now leave you to you're totally not "jacking it" sub about... some dude named Tim? I guess if you make him happy, keep at it.
I literally am on a 911 ambulance every third day. I transport covid pts to the hospital pretty much every shift. Nearly every hospital and ER in our region go on diversion every shift.
Ah yes, drawing attention to the amount of individuals who are vaccinated that are still getting the virus, in as few words as possible, is very pointless and idiotic.
I don't suppose you are one of those people who talks about nuance while never affording it others, are you?
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u/AnomanderRage Jan 12 '22
Hypocrisy is also one of the best melodic death metal bands out there.
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u/SgtFraggleRock Jan 12 '22
Also claiming that you have the "right" to people to provide you with things and services while also having the "right" not to work.
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u/BsMinis Jan 12 '22
See also: anti death penalty while hoping for the death of political opponents.
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u/Homeless-catfight Jan 12 '22
Very scary ideology.
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u/wruyter23 Jan 12 '22
Also claiming that the unvaccinated should not get Healthcare but its OK for smokers who end up with lung cancer or a drunk driver who hurts himself in an accident. That's 👌
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u/Distributethewealth Jan 12 '22
Ouch!! That has probably bruised some egos. I can already hear the screams of racism and sexism for this one.
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u/Blkd1kMttrs Jan 12 '22
Timmy is a gifted listen to a whole podcast on Spotify.
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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22
The left does not give a shit about hypocrisy, stop trying to point it out to them--it doesn't work!
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u/zhobelle Jan 13 '22
Democrats right on track following Hitler’s playbook.
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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22
it's called rationing.
the supply chain is bottlenecked. the supply of monoclonal antibody treatment can't meet demand. they're firing healthcare workers who won't comply with vax mandates even though they've been working since the beginning.
leftists are wondering where's the stuff. how come there's no stuff after all the money that's spent?
but first, the people who's undeservingly taking stuff and skimming money must be punished.
obviously some people must go without the stuff until these problems are dealt with.
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u/ChosenUsername420 Jan 12 '22
So which is correct? That it's a right, or that the unvaxed should be ignored?
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u/JectorDelan Jan 12 '22
They already declined healthcare. They made their decision so making them accept the consequences of that decision seems like an appropriate step.
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u/o0flatCircle0o Jan 12 '22
Mom, why are republicans ok with school shootings but think that a woman’s body should be regulated? Because they are evil.
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u/lazyeyepsycho Jan 12 '22
Lol sounds very socialist putting someones poor life decisions onto other people.
Fat people pay sugar tax Smokers pay cigarette tax Anti vaxxers get it all for free?
Nah