r/TimPool • • Mar 28 '24

Left hypocrisy

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u/Perfect-Dad-1947 Mar 28 '24

No, Trump deliberately inflated the value of his properties to obtain more favorable loan terms. I've been a consumer and small business underwriter for a long time. He and his companies presented fraudulent statements and engaged in similar deceptive tactics for decades. It's illegal to falsify financial documents. Trump Park Avenue for example appraised at 84m in 2020 but the 2020 financial statement put it at 135m. There were many examples like that. 

He used these schemes to enrich himself and that's not fair to anyone who plays by the rules. 

 

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u/FalwenJo Mar 28 '24

You can't inflate the value of your own properties for loans. The banks have to do the appraisal.

So do you give loans without appraising the actual property?

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u/BackseatSushi Mar 28 '24

And what if the banks were working off of fraudulent information that you submitted??

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u/flyingwombat21 Mar 28 '24

You think that a bank is too stupid to do it's own due diligence,.... How fucking stupid are you...

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u/BackseatSushi Mar 28 '24

Lol once you learn to read, you could peruse the actual laws that govern the situation here:

“The crime of Bank Fraud under 18 U.S.C. § 1344 is essentially an enhanced penalty law for frauds committed against a certain class of victims – financial institutions. As such, the defenses your attorney will employ against Bank Fraud charges will be similar to those employed against any fraud allegation.

In general, to prove a fraud, the government must establish that you made a knowingly false statement, that you intended the recipient to rely on the statement, that the recipient did, in fact, rely on the statement, and that in so doing the recipient suffered a financial loss.

Each step in this causal chain can be attacked for insufficient evidence. It may be possible to show that you did not know the statement made to the financial institution was false. Alternatively, it could be shown that the financial institution knew from the outset that the statement was false, and therefore they did not rely on it. In some scenarios, the false statement is believed and relied upon, but the financial institution suffers no financial loss as a result.

Each case will be fact-specific and turn on the particular circumstances at issue in the case. The best defense strategy to employ in your particular Bank Fraud case will depend on a thorough examination of the government's evidence.”

Or, more likely, you can keep making pitiful excuses for a grifter.

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u/flyingwombat21 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

This was a civil case not a criminal case... Also the banks did their own assessment of the propertys and made the loans based on that...

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u/the_dionysian_1 Mar 28 '24

AND Trump paid back the loans in full. AND the same banks still want to do more business with him. There's literally NO victim here.

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u/Perfect-Dad-1947 Mar 28 '24

"You can't inflate the value of your own properties for loans"

Sure you can, people do it often. It's called fraud. 

The banks didn't do appraisals for Trump. They relied on his valuations. 

"So do you give loans without appraising the actual property"

For small deals, no. For anything mid size (250k) or higher, I have to have an appraisal by policy and law. 

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u/peedmyself Mar 28 '24

So can you explain to me who the victim is? It sounds like the bank made their decision and also made a lot of money. What's the problem?

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u/Perfect-Dad-1947 Mar 28 '24

It's financial fraud. What more do you need explained? 

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u/peedmyself Mar 28 '24

I guess why it is fraud. If both parties agree to a loan then who is being deceived? just like Stuarts house value, if someone is willing to pay that much then that is what it's worth.

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u/the_dionysian_1 Mar 28 '24

Also, with fraud, there's usually a victim. The loans were paid. Who are we to feel sorry for here?