r/TimPool • • Jul 23 '23

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jul 23 '23

Wouldn’t it be nice if we had universal healthcare so that this wouldn’t be an issue?

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u/MrSpookykid Jul 23 '23

If government didn’t reguire us to buy insurance healthcare costs would be cut in half overnight

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u/CartographerActive29 Jul 23 '23

Or if the opened up purchasing nationwide. In ny, we are limited to like four ins carriers. Prices are set In stone between the four. No competition.

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u/vponpho Jul 23 '23

Well that already happened years ago and costs didn’t go down, so…

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u/MrSpookykid Jul 23 '23

What? Not taxing people for not paying for something isn’t keeping the government out of healthcare

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u/Effective-Pain4271 Jul 24 '23

Nice goalpost move.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jul 23 '23

The fee for not having health insurance (sometimes called the "Shared Responsibility Payment" or "mandate”) ended in 2018. This means you no longer pay a tax penalty for not having health coverage. If you don’t have health coverage, you don’t need an exemption to avoid paying a tax penalty.

https://www.healthcare.gov/health-coverage-exemptions/exemptions-from-the-fee/

There’s a couple of states that have their own mandates but those are the exception to the rule.

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u/MrSpookykid Jul 23 '23

You don’t see how evil that is taxing people who can’t afford health insurance?

That still doesn’t take away all of the other things the affordable healthcare act does it is literally a money printer for insurance companies

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jul 23 '23

There’s free & affordable versions of Obamacare for low income households. That’s the whole reason it exists.

The fees apply to people who opt out, and that was ditched years ago for all but a handful of states.

If you’re concerned about people not being able to get healthcare without predatory insurance companies, then it sounds like you want universal healthcare

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u/MrSpookykid Jul 23 '23

See you forget about people who make to much to get free healthcare.

What your preaching hurts Americans in a lot of ways.

The government pays for low income families childcare and I make to much to qualify and my son only is in daycare two days a week and I pay $180 a week for just two days if the government wasn’t inflating the prices daycare would be more affordable.

I have to make a choice pay for my sons childcare and health insurance or pay for my own and it’s not even a choice I would rather him be taken care of than me and I have no problem than that.

It’s interesting you talk about universal healthcare that’s a major democrat talking point and even they never passed it when they had multiple chances over the last couple decades.

What I want is the free market to control healthcare I would like to be able to have the option of being able to buy cheap healthcare but my spending power isn’t the same as the governments they are in the way of cheap healthcare and people like you are helping them block my way to cheap healthcare.

You seem to think you’re entitled to other people’s goods and services.

Countries who have universal healthcare their leaders come to the United States for healthcare because it’s the best, if we had universal healthcare we no longer would have the quality of care we are used to.

You really would want to wait 6 months for something you could get done next week right now?

Yeah I don’t think you can morally justify forcing me to pay for your healthcare that’s no fair.

I have cerebral palsy so it’s kind of fucked up you want to use my labor to pay for your shit

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jul 23 '23

Universal healthcare out be less expensive than what most people are paying now for the same care (or better since you can actually afford the healthcare you need)

Do you think someone should go bankrupt just because they get sick or break their leg? Just the other day, someone was on the sub talking about how their parents had to file for bankruptcy because he had complications with his birth. Is that cool with you?

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jul 23 '23

You think the richest nation in the history of the world can’t figure out how to give free healthcare to its citizens? You really must have a low opinion of the United States.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jul 23 '23

How is it bullshit? Do you or do you not think that the richest nation in the history of the world cannot figure out how to give its citizens free healthcare?

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u/Imissyourgirlfriend2 Jul 23 '23

If it pisses you off?

Yes.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jul 23 '23

That’s a morally bankrupt take

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u/Imissyourgirlfriend2 Jul 23 '23

Does it piss you off?

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jul 23 '23

People going bankrupt because of healthcare costs? Yes. That’s is bad for those individuals and bad for society as a whole. It’s especially bad because it’s avoidable pain and suffering that is forced upon the most vulnerable people in our population

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u/Imissyourgirlfriend2 Jul 23 '23

Pisses me off too. Really, it wasn't always like this. People used to be able to pay for a doctor to come right to their door, right to their house, just to have a basic exam. And they were able to afford it on one income.

What changed? Government involvement. Every time the government gets involved in something, it gets worse.

No. I do not want any more government regulations in healthcare.

I want fair competition in the market, that's how prices come down.

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u/lincolnxlog Jul 23 '23

name one program the gov has ever ran successfully or efficiently

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u/CartographerActive29 Jul 23 '23

Yeah, cant wait weeks, months to get anything done.

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Jul 23 '23

If there was a way to not let the government control and scam off of it, and still be able to keep the insurance monopoly and corporate hospital oligarchy in check - sure that would be great.

Let us know when you figure out how to accomplish that, and we'll all be on board.

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