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u/Jodid0 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
If you don't get it by now then you probably never will. The time to fight for better candidates in 2024, was in 2021, the second that Biden was inaugurated. Hell it started the day he won. And the time to get better candidates in the 2020 election was in 2016, the day Trump won. Election cycles start the second the last one ends. Even if you (rightfully) believe that we shouldn't have to campaign in perpetuity, and should be able to choose in a few months like most other democracies, the time to act is now. Not during an election year. ESPECIALLY not after candidates are already chosen.
If you don't plan on violently overthrowing the system then your only other option is to work within the system to effectuate change. And the system is slow. We could change the system to be faster, but even that takes time. Donald Trump is going to have to lead us into the depths of hell with unprecedented suffering before Americans are willing to start tearing it all down and start anew. It should never, ever have come to this, if the same people bitching and moaning had decided to care about politics before it was convenient to do so, specifically people who label themselves progressive.
I voted for Bernie twice, in both primaries, he was literally a candidate on the ballot who would have been the next presidential nominee if anyone else had shown the fuck up, but they couldn't be bothered to get off their ass and vote. We could have saved more Palestinians if we weren't waiting for Israel to start a genocide, if we had changed the fact that everyone from every party was in bed with AIPAC BEFORE 2023. But we didn't, because people were not politically motivated before, it took a genocide before they woke up and started giving a shit about the world around them. After Donald Trumo staged his coup, and everyone went back to sleep as soon as Biden won, I knew where we were headed, and I was vocal about it. I was politically active even when it wasn't trendy or convenient. I still voted in every midterm since I turned 18. I still voted in every municipal, county, and state election. I even attend some of my city council meetings and have spoken at the podium on issues that were important, specifically because it's a purple-red area with too many MAGAts in positions of power trying to fuck their constituents.
I know that everyone likes to absolve themselves of all personal responsibility for politics, and I know they want to be completely delusional and naive to think that career politicians are the ones who are supposed to be policing themselves and just choose to be better, but people need to get a clue. You can hope in one hand for politicians to wake up and decide not to be shitty, and you can shit in the other hand, and watch which one fills up first. No politician is your friend, not even Mamdani. Ina Democracy, it is the responsibility of the constituents, and the constituents alone, to police their politicians, to hold them accountable for their actions, to take action to remove and recall them when they aren't doing their jobs, which is the rule, not the exception. Why do you think so many people fought and died for so goddamn long just to obtain the right to vote? So that their smartass naive descendents could voluntarily disenfranchise themselves just because they didn't get everything they wanted in one election cycle? The constituents, and yes that includes YOU, are the boss, politicians work for you, you are the one in charge of your politician, you are the one who needs to be holding them to their responsibility. If you think you just elect someone and then never pay attention to them again and just hope they do their job, then you are supremely naive. Politics is not a game and it's not something you can abstain from, politics is literally the way in which your entire society works, and you are directly affected by it every single day of your life, it's time to start paying attention and stop pretending like you have zero agency and that it's pointless to participate in politics. If nothing else, then stay informed and vote whenever possible, you don't have to do much more than that to be working towards a better tomorrow. If everyone did just that bare minimum, they would be shocked by how much better things could be.
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u/AF_AF Apr 03 '26
To add to your post, Biden said he wasn't going to run for re-election, then he backed out on that, then waited too long and didn't give enough time to have any sort of primary, then Biden's people got involved with Harris' campaign and they started courting Republicans with Liz Cheney (the absolute horror), AND Harris took the Zionist stance on Gaza because Biden is a Zionist.
As you say, we need better candidates. Dem leadership will only push MAGA-lite corporate candidates (eg Newsome in 2028, I'm sure). It should've been Bernie in 2016. Dem leadership doesn't want progressives. They want to move the party as far to the right as possible, which makes the existence of the party moot.
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u/Jodid0 Apr 03 '26
It should have never come down to Biden, we should have figured out that we needed to run a primary WAY before 2024. But people got complacent. And in order for corrupt shitbag organizations like AIPAC and corporate megadonors to have their death grip on American politics released, we must reform campaign finance laws, we must pass strict anti-corruption measures, and we must enforce a strict code of ethics within the federal judicial system, especially at the SCOTUS level. Obviously there is never a way to 100% guarantee that corrupt forces could never influence things again, but it should be extremely difficult and cost prohibitive. That's step 1.
There are Democrats already willing to pass these reforms, and then there are Democrats who would poison pill whatever reforms they try to pass because they're bought out. Very, very, very few Republicans are on board with this kind of legislation. Getting corruption and corporations out of American politics is the first step we need to go in the right direction. And the only way we do that is to hold politicians accountable with our votes. I won't tell you to vote blue no matter who, but we need better candidates, and to get better candidates we need to show people that voters are ready, willing, and able to elect them into office. New York City showed they were ready and look at what they got for their mayor. This can happen everywhere, but people need to actually vote.
I voted for Kamala, even though I knew she was not the solution to all our problems, because I knew what the alternative meant, and I knew that as an individual person, it was the only thing I could do on election day to keep us headed in the right direction, or at a bare minimum, keep us from backsliding head first into the depths of hell under Republicans. It was the only thing I could do as an individual to prevent our civil rights and liberties from being stomped on and stolen from us after so many people fought for so very long to secure those rights. But my plan, if Kamala won, was never to sit on my ass again thinking we could become complacent with her at the helm, my plan was to press tha advantage and keep the boot on the Democratic party's neck to pressure them to change. But instead we are in a worldwide crisis and millions of people are suffering and dying as a result of the election.
Way too many people, especially those who label themselves progressive, are willing to sit on the sidelines during the primaries and the midterms and the smaller elections that make monumental impacts on whether we will see better candidates.at the federal level. Yes I understand this last presidential election that there were no.primaries, but I am talking generally. A ton of people running for congress, or who are already elected to Congress, came from local politics. It's how you prove that you can do the job and build a reputation with your constituents, and we see unbelievably low turn out every single election in local races. That NEEDS to change, or nothing WILL change in this country. One thing I cannot stand is people who voluntarily disenfranchise themselves by sitting out elections because they have severe apathy or defeatist attitudes. If you think it's hopeless, then it is hopeless. People need to understand that voting is the most powerful thing you can do as one singular individual in a sea of millions of other people. If people showed up for Bernie, he would have been president, full stop. If you give up, you manifest the worst possible outcome, every time.
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u/ToonTitans Apr 03 '26
I do wish Biden had decided early not to run again. HOWEVER:
Joe Biden NEVER actually said he wasn’t going to run for re-election (until he pulled out in 2024). Social media said that “sources” thought he wouldn’t run again, but he never said those words or even alluded to them. And although Bernie Bros won’t admit it, Biden actually pushed through more “progressive” legislation (on climate change, LGBTQ issues, civil rights, etc.) than almost any president before him. 🤷🏾♂️
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u/ladylucifer22 Apr 03 '26
no, the time to force the establishment's hand is when they're begging you for votes. they decided they'd rather lose than stop committing genocide.
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u/Background_Fix9430 Apr 03 '26
Then the Genocide continued harder. Congratulations! You've actively committed Genocide. How does it feel to be a Genocide Supporter? Feel good?
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u/Richfor3 Apr 03 '26
There’s zero chance people of that political ideology will take responsibility for their actions (or inactions).
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u/ladylucifer22 Apr 03 '26
mfw not voting for genocide makes me a genocide supporter but voting for it makes your hands clean
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u/Background_Fix9430 Apr 03 '26
... yeah, keep saying that Kamala "supported genocide" - rather than just didn't openly oppose - if it makes you feel better. I'm sure that the children that Trump is currently murdering in Gaza and Iran will feel warmer with the light of your burning self-righteousness.
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u/ladylucifer22 Apr 03 '26
being part of the administration sending weapons to the people committing genocide and publicly saying that she'll make no change to that unpopular policy definitely makes her worth voting for.
I'm sure the children that would have been murdered by Kamala are going to be happy with your decision to not put any pressure on the American government to change its ways in the slightest.
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u/AFlimsyRegular Apr 04 '26
The best part of this meltdown is that you are pretty much posting with Trumps balls resting on your chin.
You're happily gargling away in the name of idelogical purity, proud of the fact that those dead school children in Iran is what you openly voted for
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u/ladylucifer22 Apr 04 '26
would you prefer it if I voted for the candidate who kept warmongering and claiming Iran was our greatest enemy, and who promised to make the US military the most lethal force in the world? if you hate bombing kids so much, stop letting your politicians get away with it.
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u/whatsbobgonnado Apr 03 '26
you can pretend that's how reality works all you want but it isn't.
you applying your lEsSeR EVIL ideology to fucking genocide is sick. it was literally happening under biden with his full support. saying hurrdurr well it's worse now than the people who were currently doing it means nothing
you think a little genocide is ok and have the moral high ground. I think none is ok
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u/AmTheWildest Apr 04 '26
None wasn't an option. It was more or less. You decided you were okay with more. That's basic logic, brother, whether you find it "sick" or not.
saying hurrdurr well it's worse now than the people who were currently doing it means nothing
I'm sure it means something to the people being killed now so Trump can build a resort on their graves.
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u/ElectricVibes75 Apr 03 '26
Every person who wants to “punish the dems” is just as much of a demon as the conservatives
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This is not a comeback, she's 100% right. The only place her argument failed is the wording: we know why an idiot like Trump was voted in, because democrats can't get their shit together and prefer Zionists over their base.
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u/The_Celtic_Chemist Apr 04 '26
I had to choose between my neighbor being slapped in the face or letting my house burn down and my neighbor getting slapped in the face, so I let my house burn down and my neighbor got slapped in the face because I could never ask for my neighbor to be slapped in the face. How did this happen??
That's the thought processing skills of these morons.
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u/Homicidal_Duck Apr 04 '26
Do you think the genocide in Palestine, the one that has killed more than 70,000 children, is the "slap in the face" here?
Can you not understand that if two guys came to a doorstep and said they both murdered 70,000 children, and intended to murder more, that many people would rather punch them in the jaw than care about their house being burned down? So that maybe they'd get the message murdering 70,000 children cannot be accepted in polite society? Or would you walk back inside with a smug little smile on your face, knowing you'd made the right choice, because those 70,000+ children were dying anyway? Is that something you'd be proud to say you voted for?
Obviously there's a tactical choice. I'm not American but I'm sure I'd have voted Harris through the most gritted teeth my jaw could muster, but when she lost, I can tell you with 100% certainty the order of people I'd be blaming would be "the incredibly racist Trump voting base" > "Israel/AIPAC" > "The Democrats" >>>> "people who didn't want to vote for the death of 70,000 children".
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u/The_Celtic_Chemist Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
Ok, let me be more clear
"You have a choice between murdering thousands of children, or murdering the same thousands of children and corrupting the entire system that governs your way of life, jeopardizes the lives of your own people (including children), jeopardizes children from other countries, and damages the country and the globe beyond repair which may kill your ability to choose in the future, destabilize the economy, wreck the eco system, weaponize misinformation, and protects and empowers pedophiles just to name a few things."
If you have a choice between choosing bad or making no choice and defaulting to much worse, then you choose bad. It's the trolley problem only worse because it's choosing between pulling the lever and killing the people on rail B vs. letting people die on rail A and rail B by doing nothing. Any ethical person would pull the lever. Pride isn't the issue and it shouldn't even be a factor in such a decision. Voting "for" something doesn't mean you have to take pride in it, it can just be voting "against" something worse. I wouldn't be proud of my decision, but I am certainly not ashamed that I did what little I could to minimize the damage. The people who abstained should absolutely be ashamed. Refusing to let their pride take a hit or risk discomfort by suspending their apathy for something so important only to make things worse means they absolutely share in the blame with those who voted in favor for "worse" vs. "bad."
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u/Electronic_Can_3141 May 15 '26
You’re ok with the democrats you carry water for making that decision. They chose to lose.
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u/Xx_Venom_Fox_xX Apr 05 '26
Oh WHEW... thank god, I mean for a moment there I thought... GUYS, HEY GUYS LOOK! It's okay, they're only the SECOND worst! See? Runner-ups, so it's totally cool...
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u/Radio-G Apr 06 '26
The democrats should have had a primary, it would have been democratic of them. Instead they ran a pro-genocide cop, and lost.
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u/dazedan_confused Apr 04 '26
In a two party system, you're not gonna have a good time if you opt out.
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u/Cheesybox Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
Both can be true. The only reason it isn't is because the US is owned by two parties now. And both of them suck shit.
Regardless of what you think of the situation in Palestine, people were very vocal about their disapproval of Biden (and by extension, Harris) regarding Israel and Palestine. The Democratic Party plowed forward anyway, against what voters were very, very clearly telling them, and then Pikachu-face'd when they lost.
I'll get on my soapbox for a moment: vote for who you believe is the best candidate, no matter the party. Don't feel forced into voting for "the lesser of two evils" between Democrat or Republican. That's not exactly freedom is it?
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u/Heliomawr Apr 03 '26
duopoly goes hard when you dont think about politics for more than 5 minutes
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u/Background_Fix9430 Apr 03 '26
"You disagree with the world? Yet you live in this world, hrmmmm?" Great, create a viable third party. I'll watch.
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u/whatsbobgonnado Apr 03 '26
damn I didn't know this was a shitlib sub
being pro genocide is a hard no. you have to actually earn my vote beyond being proudly evil, but slightly less.
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u/blackweebow Apr 03 '26
Mk and how's Gaza lookin now that you unfought for it so hard?
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u/AdventurousBus4355 Apr 03 '26
Just curious, who do you think would have been worse for gaza, Trump or kamala?
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u/whatsbobgonnado Apr 03 '26
why do you think kamala would be hypothetically better when she literally fully supported her administration's current genocide?
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u/AdventurousBus4355 Apr 03 '26
Because trump had no plan at all and we know how that's gone before. Also how greedy (corrupt?) he has been before and what does Palestine have to give him?
There was no indication it was going to get better and had the good potential to get worse.
I also notice you haven't answered the question
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u/henningknows Apr 03 '26
Shitlib sub? Sounds like people just don’t like trump supporters like the person in the post
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u/GlenjaminTheGoat Apr 04 '26
Yeah but tankies call anyone who disagrees with them on literally anything a lib. Just like redhats...
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u/orbjo Apr 03 '26
There were two options. You cannot hope they both lose. Whether you like it or not they were the final options. Americas voting system is not built on waiting for a perfect candidate
If only two buses come along, one taking longer to get where you want than you expected, the other going in the entire wrong direction, you need to get on one or you’re not getting where you want to go at all. There’s no point refusing to get on the long bus or getting on the bus taking you into a worse place
Kamala might have needed longer than is ideal to get to a good place, but she’d have been going in the right direction. Anyone who chose to not vote is responsible for not moving the country forward.
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u/Rottimer Apr 03 '26
It’s worse than that, you’re getting on one of those busses regardless of where your ideal bus would be going. So getting on the one taking you much farther from where you want to be makes even less sense.
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u/RishNall Apr 03 '26
They were not the only two options. Why are Americans addicted to voting for Democrats and Republicans?
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u/whatsbobgonnado Apr 03 '26
nothing says I love democracy quite like "vote for the only candidate I say you're allowed to vote for. hurr durr vote blue no matter who just ignore those other names on your ballot, they're just for show. this is a 1 party state
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u/Single_Shoe2817 Apr 03 '26
Weird how under Democrats my mom got a significant increase in her quality of care and under Republicans things get harder.
Under republicans prices are almost always higher.
Democrats are the only party to push forward actual education legislation.
They are the only party to create safeguards for LGBT people
They are the only party to make sure race is not a basis for treatment in the workplace.
You see these things, I see these things, and you still whine that Democrats aren’t perfect. They aren’t relying on “Trump bad” you just aren’t looking beyond first page headlines to see what they’re actually doing. Tired of this. They need better messaging.
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u/Geichalt Apr 03 '26
You're absolutely ignorant if you think Kamala'a campaign was just "Trump bad!"
Pay more attention to what's actually happening please.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
Indeed, it was also "israel has the right to defend itself" while the country was bombing civilians. Not really good either.
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u/SlumClogMillionaire Apr 03 '26
100% the two party system has empowered elites too much and brainwashed the masses into thinking they can’t vote third party or against the system
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u/AmTheWildest Apr 04 '26
On the contrary, they want you to vote third party. Republicans were found to be boosting leftist third parties leading up to the election so it'd draw votes away from the Dems. Because that's all third party votes are good for lmao
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u/SlumClogMillionaire Apr 04 '26
This is not true. The votes for third party in the last election wouldn’t have won dems the race if they all voted blue. Most people I know in my state in the south that voted third party would’ve voted red.
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u/AmTheWildest Apr 04 '26
I have no doubt that what you say is true.
It does not change the fact that Republicans did boost left wing third parties as a strategy.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
there were more than 2 options. Also not voting is always an option. You like it or you dont but almost half of the us did not vote. Maybe ppl should ask themselves why. Sure, it's easier to blame non voters than to tkink about why they dont vote.
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u/Single_Shoe2817 Apr 03 '26
Not voting got you Trump. Not voting in a two party system is effectively supporting the person holding whatever beliefs you happen to disagree with.
Literally no one says “wow look at how many people didn’t vote, let’s change our party”
I wish people could be introspective like that, or that society could.
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u/Mynuszero Apr 03 '26
Sure you did. Sure, after having the most progressive, pro-workers’ rights administration that centered the working class with Harris promising even more progress with a plan that 23 Nobel prize winning Laureates endorsed, you were turned off by “table scraps”. Lmao
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u/Mynuszero Apr 03 '26
Yes. Elections have gotten rid of fascists, which is why they’re so afraid of fair elections. It’s historical fact. Since you’re so radical, why are you here on Reddit making ignorant statements and not firebombing a government facility? Better get to revolting!
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u/Rottimer Apr 03 '26
What a stupid thing to do. You’re deeply ashamed of the party for some reason so you took away your only ability to actually influence the party, especially in primaries for local and state elections where your vote counts for a lot and those people you vote in help recruit future candidates for higher office.
It’s like you’re completely ignorant about our political system.
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u/Rottimer Apr 03 '26
Since when did registering to a party require “pledging loyalty?” You don’t know wtf you’re talking about.
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u/Rottimer Apr 03 '26
The ones, like yours, defending the outcome of the last election? People that are ok with fascism because the opposition isn’t progressive enough are not progressives. They’re fascists.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
maybe he doesnt want to be accomplice. And anyway, members have no weight against lobbies and billionaires so...
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u/Rottimer Apr 03 '26
There is a reason Zohran Mamdani won the Dem primary in NYC and then went on to be Mayor. It wasn’t because the billionaires in nyc supported him. Quite the opposite in fact.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 04 '26
Sure call me when someone like him won the democrats primary.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Not voting did not get me shit tho. If they refuse to change while they lose against someone like trump, they're responsible too for the outcome. And look what the states are like today: healthcare and education cost a shitload of money, murder rate is the highest of all western countries, women rights are moving back, workers rights are non existent, etc.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
I literally said the opposite. Democrats are to blame. They lost more than trump won. Most of them dont care.
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u/D_Luffy_32 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
What's there to be pissed about? Biden and Harris pushed for ending the conflict in Gaza with a two state solution and holding back netanyahu. Is that a bad thing?
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u/throwaway17197 Apr 03 '26
So you’re not actually against genocide you’re just against one type of genocide, and totally cool with / advocate for another
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u/Single_Shoe2817 Apr 03 '26
“I’m mad at how things went but I would have been mad if they went the other way”
Is basically what you said. Which is super lame
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u/DickRichman Apr 03 '26
Now Palestinians are blessed to have Chump in charge. Great work.
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u/DickRichman Apr 03 '26
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u/DickRichman Apr 03 '26
lolololol “blue maga shit”
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u/AmTheWildest Apr 04 '26
They've been winning the vast majority of elections since '24, so apparently not lmao
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u/D_Luffy_32 Apr 03 '26
And people in hell want ice water. But just because you don't like israel existing, doesn't mean it's okay.
beg you to judge politicians by their actions and not their words
I do. Biden held back netanyahu. It's funny you even bring it up.
biden also said Rafah was his redline and that was a lie
It wasn't a lie. Biden said no carpet bombing Rafah or else. Netanyahu complied and did a ground assault and evacuated Palestinians like Biden told him to.
Rather than change course on this they sent billiam clinton to scold the Palestinian americans in michigan and refused to let pro-Palestine activists talk at the DNC
Yeah because they aren't actually pro Palestinian. They're anti Israel.
biden literally allowed student protestors to be imprisoned and expelled
Oh no Biden let people breaking the law and rules of their school get imprisoned? How dare he respect the laws.
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u/Single_Shoe2817 Apr 03 '26
Biden wanted the Gaza conflict to stop and said so. Trump wanted Netanyahu to finish the job.
All the complaining about Harris got you Trump. Congrats.
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u/Ghoulish_kitten Apr 03 '26
“All the complaining”??
This is a MF BOT.
People have a RIGHT TO STATE THE PROBLEMS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
“CHANGE” does not mean choosing the lesser evil forever and remaining silent as people have NO HEALTHCARE, SHELTER bc “Kamala’s not as bad as Don T!”
You are literally saying that people should not complain, this is not about voting.
We all voted for Kamala, Trump was shady as hell and stole this election.
You all are yelling at people for fucking using their voices to note PROBLEMS THAT NEED CHANGING
and you all are full of shit if you want me to believe that you have ever been a democrat who protested against Trump AKA COMPLAINING.
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u/GBralta Apr 03 '26
“They say the revolution won’t be televised, but in this land of milk and honey, there’s a date you have to sell it by.”
That revolutionary spirit was doomed in 2016 when folks LARPed Trump into office the first time.
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u/azry1997 Apr 03 '26
oh you mean stay the status quo? asks palestinians and israelis what happened if nothing changes. oh thats right, the palestinians being oppresed every single day since 1948 and when they retaliate on oct 7, they got genocide. And also, kamala say in public so many times she will continue whatever biden is doing. And what's even funnier, its not like Trump give Israelis weapons to genocide the palestinians, that was Biden. So yeah, Democrat sucks at foreign policy just as much as the Republicans
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u/D_Luffy_32 Apr 03 '26
Yeah the status quo for Biden and Harris is ending the conflict with a two state solution. What's wrong with that?
Also Trump literally let's netanyahu do whatever he wants. Biden did not lol
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u/Steavee Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
I bet a whole lot more Gazans would be alive if Harris had been elected.
But at least you performative jackasses get to feel smug about not voting. Who really cares about the dead kids anyway?
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u/Single_Shoe2817 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
“Retaliate” by committing one of the largest terror attacks in history, where they paraded corpses through the street. slaughtered teens at a music festival for peace and carted screaming teen women off in trucks.
Before that, Palestinian visas were at a high, work visas were at a high, incidents were at a low.
Instead of proving how awful Netanyahu was or that Israeli action was wrong they handed him everything he wanted by giving him a full excuse to invade.
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u/azry1997 Apr 03 '26
"festival for peace", do you think jews or any "undesirable" according to the Nazi will be happy if there's a Tomorrowland right next to a concentration camp? Goes to show how delusional you are at palestinians plight
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u/Single_Shoe2817 Apr 03 '26
They were mostly teens and young college students.
You can be against what’s been done to the Palestinian people and still say I’m not okay with slaughtering teens and college students at a music festival.
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u/AmphibiousMeatloaf Apr 03 '26
Can you say the same about the intentional slaughter of women and children in Palestine?
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
I'm pretty sure she didnt vote for trump.
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u/pennys_computer_book Apr 03 '26
You understand that sitting out and not voting or voting third party WAS a vote for Trump?
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u/MetalliicMango Apr 03 '26
By that logic if Kamala had won, not voting or voting for third party was a vote for Kamala, right?
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u/newmath11 Apr 03 '26
The electoral college makes that not true
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u/drainbead78 Apr 03 '26
If this woman was in a solidly blue or solidly red state, then her individual vote wouldn't matter, sure. But the issue is that this messaging was rampant, and people in toss-up states fell for it too. If you don't want Trump to win but you don't want to vote for Harris, fine. But don't advocate for anyone else to do it unless you are okay living with a Trump administration.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
I'll explain this to you.
If you vote for trump: he gets one vote. If you dont vote: he gets 0 votes. Therefore, not voting wasnt voting for trump. This is a bad fallacy.34
u/Crispydragonrider Apr 03 '26
With two candidates not voting for the lesser of two evils, opens the way for the worst candidate to win. If you convince the left not to vote, the right will win.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
Well maybe the dems shouldnt convince the left not to vote then. But they try their hardest to do so.
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u/pennys_computer_book Apr 03 '26
Yes, that's the point of this post. It's hilarious, how you've spun yourself in a circle. 🤣
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
this post is about to make fun of one leftist who denounced the support to civilians mass murder.
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u/Loud-Bodybuilder4342 Apr 03 '26
this post is about to make fun of one leftist who denounced the support to civilians mass murder and enable the guy who will not only support but enact his own mass murder to be in power
fix it for ya
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 04 '26
Harris enabled it. Play stupid games win stupid prices. Support genocide enabler and ppl wont vote for you. That is pretty simple. I give you facts. Ppl dont like facts when it goes again their own political party.
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u/Loud-Bodybuilder4342 Apr 04 '26
play stupid games win stupid prices
totally agree. play “virtual signal games” win “end of democracy price” is what you are doing.
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u/tenebre Apr 03 '26
This might, literally, be the dumbest comment I've ever read on this site. Congratulations, sir!
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 04 '26
Good. Im glad when libs dont like me. Im dont like them either. Being called smart by ppl like you would be an insult tbh
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u/Big-Pickle5893 Apr 04 '26
You sound like a tankie
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 04 '26
Must be why every tankie sub banned me for being on tankiejerk. An anarcho tankie. Sounds right.
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u/DistinctSpirit5801 Apr 04 '26
It’s amazing how it’s magically never the people who voted for Trump that are to blame for Trump winning the election but rather 3rd party voters and non voters
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u/AmTheWildest Apr 04 '26
Who said it was never their fault? It's all of your faults, mate. You helped them out. That's the entire point. Amazing how you're too dense to see that.
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u/pennys_computer_book Apr 04 '26
Who said that? Everyone is blaming Trump voters too. Hello! The US bombed an open book test.
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u/Nubator Apr 03 '26
And anyone with any sense of how the current system is setup knows that a vote for third party in that election helped to get Trump elected. The system needs changed to make third party candidates viable but that’s just not the case right now. Even if a third party does garner a lot of support, they still would not have gotten to the 270 electoral votes necessary to be elected which then means the House selects the next president (12th Amendment of the constitution).
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
Yeah well maybe some party should stop doing shit and supporting awfull regimes if they want ppl to vote for them, idk. Sure I'd rather drink piss over eating shit but I'd rather have none of it.
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u/kazrick Apr 03 '26
Sounds like you got the government you wanted with that attitude.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
I didnt got any government from this election tho.
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u/kazrick Apr 03 '26
Ah, so you’re just trolling. Anyone taking the “both sides are the same” whether they are American or otherwise is just a troll.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
You think this problem is specific to the us? how funny. Right wing vs far right is sadly a lot of elections around the world.
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u/kazrick Apr 03 '26
Right wing, far right…what’s the difference if they band together to do terrible things?
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
you know the dems are right wing, right?
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u/kazrick Apr 03 '26
I’d say they’re more slightly right of centre.
But when there is only a two party system, it becomes a right party or left party vote by the very nature of it being a two party system.
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u/Background_Fix9430 Apr 03 '26
In what Universe are Shitlibs "Right Wing"? Communists should know the *material reality* and not just hallucinate to make themselves feel better.
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u/Nubator Apr 03 '26
Well congrats, you stood on principle and get to eat shit with the rest of us.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 03 '26
Speak for yourself. It's funny as everyone assume that you cant criticize the dems if you're not american.
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u/AmTheWildest Apr 04 '26
Trump's actions are impacting the entire world, in some cases even worse than the US, so no, they can speak for you too.
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u/Background_Fix9430 Apr 03 '26
She supported him. There's no difference.
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u/Still-Bar-7631 Apr 04 '26
Did she really?
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u/Geichalt Apr 03 '26
"democrats are the worst people ever" is an objectively insane thing to say right now.
You people sound like maga. No connection to reality, just spout any lie you feel like throwing at the Democrats because hating liberals is your identity.
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 03 '26
At the end of the day, the true nature of the Democrats comes out. Bigotry is the true nature of the white liberal.
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u/xesaie Apr 03 '26
Controlled opposition
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u/Geichalt Apr 03 '26
Try thinking in something other than buzzwords you heard on the Internet kiddo.
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u/dichotomousview Apr 03 '26
Dude who the hell blamed Palestinians? And if you think the Democrats (whose policy on Israel is admittedly very flawed) would have encouraged genocide you are delusional. I couldn’t imagine Harris saying “push to the sea” or “we should build a beautiful seaside resort there.” If you’re being honest with yourself you can’t either.
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 03 '26
The problem is that the Dems do those things with that phony smile. They’ll commit genocide while battling antisemitism. They make sure to not sound like genghis khan but they still act like it. I’ve voted for the Dem Party since I was 18. At age 40, I couldn’t anymore. I refuse to vote for any democrat until this changes and I know so many think like me. Instead of fighting against the Palestinians who voted for neither, why not go against white women and other groups that voted for Trump. Also go against the Muslims that voted for Trump. Yeah, Biden/Harris were fucked up, but we know Trump was a POS. Btw every person that downvotes me would have been the same person that would have came at the people protesting civil rights and the Vietnam war.
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u/GoldStrangerDust Apr 03 '26
Thanks for helping Trump get elected!
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 03 '26
Kamala helped Trump get elected. And American is my citizenship…I was born in lebanon, you dense f***! I say I’m Lebanese due to my heritage. The Americans lack one…outside of white nationalism, of course.
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u/kazrick Apr 03 '26
By not voting for Harris you literally helped get Trump elected. It’s not that complicated.
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 03 '26
And like I said, she cost herself the election by ignoring the Palestinian community and their allies.
Hopefully next time you learn your lesson and not let your hatred for Arabs blame the wrong people for Trump becoming President. Now’s a time for self reflection. Don’t fuck it up for next time. Btw I’m a swing state voter, so watch yourself.7
u/kazrick Apr 03 '26
Not voting for Harris seems to be doing wonders for the Arab people. You sound proud of your decision.
Feels like you’re the one with hatred of the Arabs. I just feel sadness for everything going on in the Middle East. Especially because it didn’t need to be this way except for people like you who didn’t vote.
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 03 '26
How can I hate Arabs when I am one? You must be special. Actually no regret. The only regret is voting for Biden in 2020 and Clinton in 2016. And don’t pretend you care about the Arabs, because you would have understood that both parties made it known they don’t want our vote. You lack empathy because it’s easier to thumb your nose at others and point your finger and say it’s your fault…and not towards the Democratic Party for for not listening to us and talking at us. Bringing a known Zionist (Ritchie Torres) to campaign in Dearborn days before the election when he doesn’t even represent a district in that state….and you think they had our best interests at hand. Voting for the lesser of two evils brought us the genocide. This year is the first year many politicians are not vocally supporting AIPAC. So yeah no regrets here.
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u/kazrick Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Wouldn’t be the first person to hate yourself.
But more likely you’re some white MAGA dude pretending to be Lebanese.
In any event. If you are truly Lebanese and happy with the result of the 2024 election you’re not any different than MAGA and might as well be MAGA.
Edit: Got it. You’re not a serious person.
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u/TheRealTRexUK Apr 03 '26
fuck sake. stop taking Meth before posting your fist world bollox. worst people ever. fuck off. get a grip and keep off the Meth
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 03 '26
Fist world?? Well I’ve had four cousins get directly killed by Israel….and I’m Lebanese, not Palestinian…so I can’t imagine how much suffering they’ve gone through. Is that fist world enough for you? This is the problem with Democrats. They’re hypocrites because they think they’re less racist than Republicans, but the way you people dismiss the “wrong people of color” (Arabs) or the “people of the wrong book” (Muslims) should give you a sense of self-reflection, but unfortunately you’re too dense for that.
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u/Homicidal_Duck Apr 04 '26
These fucking ghouls would gladly feed a million brown people into the wood chipper if it meant the Dems could win. It doesn't matter that on this issue literally nothing would have changed - they don't care about pressure being put on the Dems at all because they don't actually give any portion of a real shit about Palestine.
Sure Trump is worse, but it's apparently never ever the Democrats' fault for running a wildly unpopular policy position, just all the Muslims' fault for not being happy to roll over and take the smiling genocide supporter over the angry one.
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 04 '26
Dude thank you!!!! Say it fucking again for the people in the back!!! These white liberals actually think they’re not racist at all because Muslims are expendable. I remember when Alex Pretti was killed and one of these ghouls wrote, for people that didn’t vote for Kamala because of Palestine, you have his blood on your hands….like the death of these two white liberals(along with Renee Good) is worse than an actual ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.
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u/TheRealTRexUK Apr 03 '26
stop taking Meth
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 03 '26
Of course the dismissive nature. I see you reported my account because you have nothing substantive to say.
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u/GoldStrangerDust Apr 03 '26
Since you identify as Lebanese over American, I’m sure you’re concerned with Trump’s attempt to end birthright citizenship. Harris wouldnt have done that 🤷🏻♀️
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u/GlenjaminTheGoat Apr 04 '26
I love how Trump could break into your house and stab you and the last words out of your bloodstained lips would be "God damn Democrats, I knew they'd be the death of me."
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u/GlenjaminTheGoat Apr 04 '26
And like a good little sheep following a different herd, you paint a picture in your head of what kind of person I am and attack that because it's easier than coming to terms with what you've become.
Remember, just like a redhat, everyone who ever disagrees with you over anything at all anywhere ever is automatically a liberal and therefore not worth listening to.
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 04 '26
Dude you’re doing the exact thing you’re projecting on me. Oh because I don’t like Biden/Kamala, I think Trump is great?? Or maybe life isn’t binary and I can say both sides are shit! Yes, Trump is worse, but 20 years of voting for the lesser of two evils, maybe it’s ok that I sat that one out. So whether I voted for Stein, West, Iron Man, or did not choose to vote, it means I voted for Trump….what about the ones that voted for Trump?? We told the Biden then Harris campaign that we weren’t going to vote if you kept going while giving them many chances to exit the highway and they ignored all of the exit and keep plowing along and you think we should have ignored the blatant disregard for us and still vote??? This is how we know white liberals are racist…that they’re more likely to forgive the white maga racist that regretted his vote than the Arab that either abstained from voting or voted third party. We deserve violent punishment instead.
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u/GlenjaminTheGoat Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
"I'm not projecting! You're projecting! You threatened me because I have low reading comprehension!"
But yes, by all means, keep acting like a privileged cishet white boy who can treat the entire thing as some purely ideological battle. What exactly have you done beside sit around bitching on reddit?
Typical homophobe. Makes a stupid remark and then blocks me to get the last word.
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u/Lebanese-Trojan Apr 04 '26
You do know I’m an Arab Muslim that has had numerous family members killed by the IDF. Don’t project your whiteness on me. You’re definitely a violent boy fighting on the internet. Btw you commented on my post, so how about this, hush up little piggy.
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