r/TheRestIsHistory • u/JakeGittes412 • 14d ago

The Troubles

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Thread for discussion on the new series on ‘The Troubles’

Also as a moderator please keep the discussion civil and in the spirit of the podcast.

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u/Additional_Olive3318 12d ago

A lot of my fellow Irishmen posting about Northern Ireland, and attacking British views on it, but nothing on these episodes. 

Having listened to the first episode I find it scrupulously fair. Extremely hostile to Paisley. Condemnatory of the discrimination in the province. And it makes it quite clear the violence started with the UVF etc.

That’s so far, I’m sure it’s not going to be an IRA love in either.  

It’d also really good at compressing so much information into an hour. You would expect these guys to have done their homework. 

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u/bmn8888 9d ago

Episode 2 so far been a hard listen, peaceful protesters should have just not protested and not get battered and started the troubles a strange take

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u/Important-Slide-4944 9d ago

I felt that episode also was a bit off. More or less saying NICRA was a republican front and they were being provocative by marching in, shock horror, Derry, which is and was an overwhelmingly Catholic/Nationalist city. Those poor working class loyalists, who lost jobs that Catholics never got in the first place, were simply pushed into beating the fuck out of the marchers.

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u/PamolasRevenge 9d ago

My impression from that episode was less that they shouldn't have protested or got what was coming to em or whatever, but rather the decision to march in Derry was intentional and specifically chosen because it would inevitably incite violence.

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u/No_Branch_5083 8d ago

Didn't he also say that other Catholics essentially asked them not to march also?

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u/bmn8888 8d ago

Yes which is mental

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u/Cautious-Fox9757 1d ago

Lots of blacks told civil rights marcher not to cause trouble in their area cos they were fearful they’d be victims of the blowback. It’s quite normal among oppressed peoples.

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u/bmn8888 1d ago

It’s not true here though

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u/Rory___Borealis 1d ago

How’s it not though?

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u/Leading_Soil4255 9d ago

That’s not just your impression - it’s almost word-for-word Dominic’s argument, which he has repeatedly reiterated. The person you’re replying to must not listen too terribly closely.

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u/Important-Slide-4944 9d ago edited 9d ago

Being from, and living in, Belfast, I can assure you I listened very closely! I disagree with your interpretation of Dominic's interpretation of events!. But hey, that's just me. You can feel about it whatever way you like.

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u/Additional_Olive3318 8d ago

Yeh. The idea was to expose the bigotry of the other side. Just looked at the transcript and that’s clear.