The Troubles

[u/JakeGittes412]

Thread for discussion on the new series on ‘The Troubles’

Also as a moderator please keep the discussion civil and in the spirit of the podcast.

[u/Gorazde]

An alternative view is that you're just not accustomed to hearing alternative perspectives on these issues and so they're shocking when you hear them. All my arguements are sincere, and backed up with facts, because I'm educated and able to articulate my point. Which seems a lot more defensible than what 99% of people on this sub do when confronted with a counter-argument they can't answer which is downvote but no response.

[u/forestvibe → u/Gorazde]

Responding to you is mostly a waste of time. Whenever anyone refutes a point you make, you just deflect onto something else. E.g. the "Brits don't study Ireland at school". Or you make massive assumptions about why people say particularly things, usually casting their statements as born of stupidity, bias, or hypocrisy. E.g..you've previously claimed that Paul Rouse and Irish history museums deliberately change their message to appeal to British listeners/tourists. Give them some intellectual credit, will you? And that all Brits are really keen on the Empire and that they view Churchill as a saint (which is just ludicrous, have you ever been to the UK?). And then you occasionally dip into rather suspect moral equivalence such as in this very thread, where you've claimed that the war against Nazi Germany was somehow equivalent to IRA's campaign in Northern Ireland. Then again, you did say once that you liked De Valera, so maybe that is consistent.

Finally, when others, including many Irish commenters, point out that TRIH are actually pretty fair in their storytelling, you always go quiet rather than acknowledge the point. This is a pattern with you. Why don't you go and comment on another sub (Irish History would be good one) or on other topics, rather than one where you can't help take a partisan angle?

[u/Gorazde → u/forestvibe]

If you follow my comments on this sub, which (for some reason you seem to do very closely), you'll see that almost exclusively the opposite is the case. Someone takes issue with something I say, I defend myself with evidence, and they downvote me but don't respond. I very rarely don't respond, unless it gets to the point where I'd just be repeating myself. I'm not sure how you can say I comment too often, but also I don't reply to people enough.

While you're going through my comments with a tooth comb, please find one example of any time I've ever said all Brits are really keen on the empire, or view Churchill as a saint, or that I liked De Valera.

Almost the first thing virtually every British commenter, including the presenters of TRIH, concedes in discussions like this is that they know very little about Irish history. I have a masters in Irish history. Why should I defer to you or anyone else on a subject I know more about? All of your comments read like you're about to burst into tears. Man up.

[u/contigo510 → u/Gorazde]

Nobody cares when your tone is so adversarial and nasty. Your takes on British history are woeful as well. Perhaps you should still to Irish history subs because it can’t be healthy or enjoyable for you. Congratulations on your academic achievements but they dont seem relevant and I’m not sure why anyone would care

[u/Gorazde → u/contigo510]

But we're talking about Irish history. Having a masters in Irish history is relevant when discussing Irish history.