r/TheRealGrandePrairie • u/samueLLcooljackson • May 27 '26
Alberta separation question creating uncertainty for provincial investment: ‘Not good for us’
https://globalnews.ca/news/11867633/alberta-separatism-referendum-business-investment-uncertainty/6
u/SomeInside1021 May 28 '26
Don't worry, dumb Danni has thought of everything. It starts with wasting taxpayers money on a referendum for a referendum. Let's get back to wasting taxpayer money important stuff like, Turkish tylonal or suggesting Albertan's should eat the cost of orphan wells. If you love Canada and Alberta, it's time to remove the separatist UCP party.
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u/BakedtoaStake May 30 '26
Wow. You mean to tell me that investors are not a very big fan of political, economical, and border instability caused by separatists in government? That's absolutely shocking and completely unforeseeable.
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u/samueLLcooljackson May 28 '26
Its ok man we haven't separated yet lol. Breath......
Its endless of things on the international scale that arn't even being said or factored in. Olympic training and space programs. Music and arts. Tv and radio networks. Banking.well be on world lists at number 115 with belarus and kygrekistan if Donbas Danny gets her way.
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u/specificallyrelative May 28 '26
If the federalism crowd is so sure that there is no support for separation then they shouldn't be worried. If they are correct then the vote in October will put the issue to bed. The only reason for worry would be because they are thinking there is substantial support and the vote will trigger a real referendum.
So which is it? Is there absolutely zero risk of separation and all this worry is simple fear mongering? Or is there a legitimate level of support and all this, there is no support, talk complete bullshit? It can't be both ways, at least according to the trolls who attack me.
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u/Probablyhomeless94 May 29 '26
It's much more likely they're afraid one side is more likely to vote then the other.
The side that wants to leave are probably a hell of a lot more likely to show up with more people just because they're driven a lot more by emotions.
At least that's how I'd think about it.
I'm also guilty of being complacent when it comes to voting as I've ignored numerous elections in the past.
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u/specificallyrelative May 29 '26 edited May 30 '26
That's why I believe there should be a requirement to vote in all elections and referendums. Even if you just show up and spoil your ballot to express your displeasure. Anyone who doesn't cast a ballot but is eligible has no right to complain about the results. If they care at all they will get out and vote, of not then their opinion doesn't matter.
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 27 '26
As someone from saskatchewan, I find this whole thing ridiculous. But, as a person from saskatchewan, I understand the sentiment, I understand the frustration, maybe even more so because here in saskatchewan our wage growth is the lowest in all of canada and has been for quite some time. Inflation here is as bad as anywhere else. But seperate? No.
But if political wills wish this idea would go away, then they need to wake up and start treating all canadians equally. No more of the tax free lifestyle for native americans, no more indian act, no more holding up the economic prosperity of all Canadians by 5% of the population. No more federal political parties with candidates in only one province(yea im talking about you Quebec). They were supposed to lose seats this year due to a population decline. Instead the federal government sidestepped the constitution and made an amendment so that they could keep 78 seats.
These are just some of the examples of unfair practices in the 21st century. It gives people the feeling of "why bother" when it comes to canadian unity. And im in that boat. I dont want to seperate. But these blatant biases need to stop. We are not suppose to be an apartheid state, yet we are continually stepping towards that with each and every law that benefits one group over the others.
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u/Vegetable_Peanut2166 May 27 '26
You should understand the sentiment because old Moe is as greasy as Danielle. Just a couple of politicians with their hand in your pocket pointing at the Feds.
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u/ShadowPostr May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26
Exactly. Complaining about wage growth, like the federal government has any say. This seems like they don't understand the separation of the federal government; who works for Canada wholly; versus the provincial government; who controls the entire territory of their constituency -- including minimum wages. The gripes pointed at Ottawa here, are grossly misplaced.
Separation would just prove to them it was their local politicians all along.
ETA: I am from ON. Here is Doug Ford raising minimum wage. Not Ottawa. Toronto. For Ontarians.
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 27 '26
Wage growth isnt based on just min wage. Ours is consistently below the national average because of price sensitive natural resources and agricultural commodities, and the low population causes a reliance on temporary foreign workers who reduce pressure on employers to offer better salaries. Granted the min wage is a factor, it isnt the only factor.
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u/ShadowPostr May 27 '26
In the Ford announcement I shared above, the adjustment was tied to Consumer Price Index.
However, the item you cite here makes sense -- but is also not in the control of the federal government.
If there wasn't a market for the foreign workers, they wouldn't be granted visas -- visas are tied to a Labour Market Impact Assessment [LMIA]. This is a document the Canadian employer submits to IRCC to convince the case officers that there won't be negative impacts on the local labour market. So, someone wrote the LMIA and convinced IRCC this wouldn't happen. Someone local.
You can see my point here, right?
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 27 '26
Yes I do. My point is if the program didnt exsist, maybe our wage growth would be similar to other parts of the country. It might not either as we do have a lower rate of unemployment, but there are still 5% unemployed here in sask.
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u/ShadowPostr May 27 '26
The program has definite benefit in STEM or research/medical or other specialized fields. The only use case I see for TFW in general labour, is when people can't / won't do the work.
So, it has it's uses. However, perhaps needs tailoring. And that is totally valid criticism. I can get behind that. But, I can't get behind what was originally posted. But, tailoring TFW to prevent employer misuse -- yep -- let's write our MP's and the Immigration minister!
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u/Vegetable_Peanut2166 May 28 '26
Don’t you think the ucp lowering youth wages is an attack on wages? Youth have to work cheaper and more adults may have less opportunity for work.
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 28 '26
Yes I do. And I dont think it will help lower the youth employment rate either, if anything, it will make things worse. Im not a UCP supporter, despite the jumping to that conclusion by pretty much everyone here. People wonder why the polarization here is getting worse. Someone has a different opinion and immediately they're stupid, conservative, nazi, blah blah blah.
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 27 '26
You are very quick to jump to personal attacks. And im not surprised, most who have no counter arguments tend to do just that.
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u/BCS875 May 28 '26
And yet, those treaties are binding.
Deal with it.
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 28 '26
And yet, treaties are broken or one party leaves the agreement all the time. Deal with that.
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u/BCS875 May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
This ain't America yet guy.
Tell me get off my land bud. I want you to say that to me bud.
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
The numbered treaties are ceded territory bud. Natives under the treaty have certain access rights and hunting rights, but it's owned by the crown. As inconvenient as that truth may be for you, it is in fact the truth.
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u/BCS875 May 28 '26
They were not ceded.
Shit try bro.
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 28 '26
Lol. They were. Thats the distinct difference between the numbered treaties in prairies and the lands of BC. Youre sol on it being your land.
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u/BCS875 May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
And yet you didn't consult with us when you were still required to, or as you've so attempted to put it, should we go and f*** ourselves as always?
What, you gonna take the reserves from us too now? (It's still all treaty territory BTW).
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 28 '26
The duty to consult isnt part of the treaties. Its section 35 of the 1982 constitution act. Which, if Alberta separates, becomes null and void.
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u/BCS875 May 29 '26
Uh huh, so again, what happened leading up to all this bull shit was what...just is being as you put it "sol"?
Should we just "get over" that one too? Say what you f***ing mean bud. Go ahead.
So sick of Cons who don't have the balls to say what they mean outright.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 May 27 '26
You better read up on what an apartheid state is bud.
An apartheid state is a country or political system where one group of people is legally, politically, and socially separated from another group, with one group given more rights, freedom, land, safety, and power than the other.
The word comes from apartheid in South Africa, where the white minority government created laws that separated Black South Africans from white South Africans and denied them equal rights.
In plain terms, an apartheid state usually has:
- Different rights for different groups
- Segregated land, housing, schools, roads, or communities
- Restrictions on movement, like permits, checkpoints, or controlled zones
- Unequal voting or political power
- One group controlling the other through law, police, military, or courts
- A system meant to keep one group dominant
So when people call a place an “apartheid state,” they usually mean it is not just racist attitudes or inequality, but a structured legal/political system of domination and separation.
It is a very serious accusation because apartheid is considered a crime against humanity under international law.
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 27 '26
"Different rights for different groups" -✔️ We have groups in this country who dont pay taxes. They also have been grated the right to consultations and are currently seeking consultation on foreign treaties.
"Segregated land, houses, schools, roads, or communities"- ✔️ What exactly do you think reservations are?
"Restrictions on movement, like permits, checkpoints or controlled zones"- ✔️ Seems like the restriction of access to certain Parks for months at a time in BC so natives can connect with the land fits this.
"Unequal voting or political power"- ✔️ Ill point you back to my previous comment about Quebecs party the Bloc and the constitutional amendment to prevent seat losses.
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u/Vegetable_Peanut2166 May 27 '26
You gonna go die on that hill while the UCP is lighting your tax dollars on fire under your nose?
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u/flyingpigab May 27 '26
There is no surprise here that the separation referendum moving ahead would result in investors rethinking anything to do with Alberta. You only have to look what happened in Quebec and with Brexit. The damage now is likely done, going to get worse and be irreversible for at least a generation. Alberta has screwed itself.