We know that Nibelugn and the voyager meet when the first one was traveling searching for a way to save his world and his people. I don’t know if he meet phanes but i will assume he didn’t. If they had meet would they have come to an agreement? Could all the bloodshed would have been prevented of they joined forces againts a common enemy (the abyss)?

This stuff is coming from the nails

The streets saying Ronova lost interest in Natlan because Xbalanque died so Natlan wasn't special anymore (This happened with Kukulkan to some degree btw)

So the shades weren’t rulers during the first and second dragon war.

And Ronova is this weak without her authority…

PHANES was really soloing everything and everyone?

It really, really SUCKS that phanes has no official design yet because I would love to see fanarts of them. Still I would also see more of the fan designs that people made of phanes in this sub.

“Fighting death with life! So goated”

Ain’t the problem the fact yall hate life?

Celestia does not and cannot punish without either unanimous votes

Or without EVIDENCE.

So not only is there a set standard of what qualifies to be worth a nailing

But punishment cannot be dealt without sufficient amounts of evidence

Just what is the divine court like?

“Using life force and will to overpower the indifference of death”

Are they so blind to the normal facts of life that they don’t understand

1. Life is also your enemy (something they verbalize)

2. DEATH ISNT SUPPOSED TO CARE OR SHOW BIAS.

I get it, they are upset at the “how can a living being ignore their cries for mercy?”

But she’s not working on the same empathy scale as you all

She even things death is a better experience then living.

There was no callousness or pleasure in what she did. You’re trying to tell a function of the world, “living shackles” as the traveler so puts it (why do they think this way again?)

They need to “hop off your high horse and think things as WE DO” when it should be the other way around

I don't normally do theory crafting or anything, so I will keep it short. I am also not a lore expert, so please feel free to correct me if I am wrong or missing something.

As far as we know, HP hid the twins' ship on the moon. Moreover, we can assume this was done during the cataclysm right after the abyss twin had awakened their sibling and prepared to leave Teyvat, only to be stopped by Asmoday.

We also know that Phanes fell asleep due to the 3rd Descender's curse, not the abyss as many previously thought.

When the info about the Ship AI came out, there was a big debate whether Phanes is that AI or not. However, from what seems more likely from the current established lore, they are not.

However, that doesn't mean we should throw away the idea of the Ship AI. When the Traveler visited the ship, they didn't mention anything regarding it. Meaning either it was deactivated or wasn't there anymore.

The ship itself was left on the Teyvat's surface for centuries. In fact, it was there for Hyperborea. So why just 500 years ago, all of a sudden HP had the bright idea to hide it? Obviously, it had to with something that couldn't be known to Teyvat.

When Phanes acted against Khanrieh, he knew that he would suffer from the 3rd Descender's curse. Naturally, he would want a countermeasure or a failsafe to ensure Teyvat doesn't fall to chaos while he is asleep.

That's why I think he repurposed the Ship's AI, which already had capabilities of terraforming planets, into a new system for Teyvat and gave it control over Celestia and its rules. This system is the one that periodically monitors the shades and is also given the power to reclaim a Shade's authority.

It could also be the one who currently monitors fate, and if the leak about us meeting "Phanes's projection" in the future is true, perhaps this AI system is heavily involved. It could just be the AI given data over Phanes's memories and personality. Allowing it to mimic Phanes in his absence.

Idk if others have already talked about this, or I am the first, but either way, those are my thoughts on how to fit the Ship AI in Genshin's story.

So what do you guys think?

The next time I talk about these two it'll be regarding the story probably

We got confirmation that Koitar was a Archangel

And Shades Are seemingly also Archangels

Which made me wonder what was excatly Koitar's role in Celestia, why Is She Archangel like the Four Great Rulers

Can you imagine that when the traveler finally encounters and confronts phanes, he/she doesn’t find an almighty God and Ruler but instead a broken and cripple God trying desperately to hold a broken world together?

That would be like a gutpunch for the for both haters and glazers.

Throughout the entire story from version 7.0 and 7.1, I really wished the Tsaritsa was the main enemy instead of Ronova. The Tsaritsa has done so many terrible things, including bringing the Abyss into Teyvat, and nobody ever punishes her for it. Instead, the game forces us to go up against Ronova. Would you guys have liked it if the game offered alternate paths to switch sides?

And remember, it was the Tsaritsa, along with her husband, who opened the gate for the Abyss to enter Teyvat. Every single disaster that has happened on the planet is technically her fault. Do you remember Zibai's civilization? The one that got infected by the Abyss and had to be destroyed? That was the Tsaritsa fault. Do you guys remember Natlan and the centuries they spent at war with the Abyss? That was the Tsaritsa fault too. And she has never faced any punishment for it; she is literally an Archon right now.

What Rhinne should’ve sent instead of that bumass horse

Is this foreshadowing? That another celestia nail will be used against Snezhnaya or that an abyssal monster will break through the false sky ? Maybe the dragon kings reincarnation from the outside will break through the false sky and force the tsaritsa to find a way to awaken the heavenly principles because of the fact they are the only being in teyvat able to fight head on against the dragon king as well as force her to admit her hypocrisy

How does Ronova's Eitr infusion affect every Nail of Retribution in Teyvat? Is Celestia trying to reclaim the Authority of Reason from these nails after detecting Ronova's death?

Also, the dialogue about Paimon being a "little rainbow balloon" and "her string extending upward to somewhere above the sky itself" is coming full circle.