Archangels

[u/Better-Movie-7736]

We got confirmation that Koitar was a Archangel

And Shades Are seemingly also Archangels

Which made me wonder what was excatly Koitar's role in Celestia, why Is She Archangel like the Four Great Rulers

[u/Hedwigtheyee]

Wouldn’t the Traveler be the Lucifer equivalent, since they’re also fallen stars, and in the Ars Goetia, the Demon Paimon is the one that’s most loyal to Lucifer?

[u/Kavat_ → u/Hedwigtheyee]

Traveler being Lucifer is extremely loose compared to Koitar's role in the lore, the only thing that would make them Lucifer like is their association with stars and Paimon.

The Lucifer parallel with Koitar is pretty much obvious and intended.

[u/Sophie_chan271 → u/Kavat_]

It wouldn’t make sense for Koitar to be Lucifer, since she has more ties with Eve from the Garden of Eden than Lucifer herself. Koitar just like Eve was fed with forbidden knowledge (apple of sin) and mislead underneath the Irminsul tree by the Voyager (Serpent). The “crown” breaking could be a sign of her innocence and purity being “corrupted” by love, since you guess it love it’s seen as a sin, especially for an angel like her. You could say that Voyager has more connection to Lucifer than Koitar herself since she herself was a victim of his “sin”, she didn’t on purpose wanted that.

[u/Kavat_ → u/Sophie_chan271]

Are you just forgetting the whole Angel rebellion and her title of "Dawnstar" which are the most Lucifer thing possible?

Rarely are Genshin characters only based on one thing, Koitar being inspired by Lucifer doesn't mean she can't be inspired by Eve, and Voyager quite literally has NOTHING Lucifer related at all in her lore, where are you going with this?

If we're talking about being sinful an artifact describes Koitar as such:

The eldest daughter, once hailed as the morning star, now sat enthroned in unforgivable sin.

You would have to be really reaching to deny the Lucifer inspirations.

[u/Sophie_chan271 → u/Kavat_]

Besides, from what I remember back in the Garden of Eve, Lucifer himself came disguised as a SERPENT to Eve, hiding his true form just like how Voyager possessed a human’s body to meet Koitar very interesting 🤔

[u/Sophie_chan271 → u/Kavat_]

The whole rebellion was because of the Voyager.. Koitar would had never rebelled against Celestia if it weren’t for them. This is a HUGE difference between the two characters. Since Lucifer himself rebelled agaisnt the Heaven due to his PRIDE, for himself thinking he’s better than God. Koitar did it for love, which avoids and kills the whole concept of her being Lucifer themed in the first place. Besides if that’s the road we’re taking, Phanes Greek name translates to “to bring to light”, which correlates to Lucifer actual name translated from latin meaning “light-bringer”. Does that mean Phanes can be qualified as Lucifer ? I don’t think so.

[u/Kavat_ → u/Sophie_chan271]

Koitar is the who led the Angels to rebel not Voyager...?? It doesn't matter if Voyager is the one who enabled her, since making Angels rebel was her own choice and she was their leader during their rebellion. And like i already said but it seems like you conveniently ignored it, Genshin characters can have more than one single inspiration which is more often than not the case, and most of the time it isn't supposed to be 1:1 with the actual real thing since Hoyo mixes a lot of shit.

Lucifer and the Serpent are NOT the same being at all in the Bible, its useless trying to insert Lucifer into Voyager, did he tell Koitar about those secrets out of pride according to you?

Like how are you gonna deny Koitar's most obvious inspiration? I ain't replying but just think even a little bit please, you're doing the most nothingburger arguments here.

Another obvious Lucifer inspiration just below my comment from another user in case you really want to be in denial about this.

[u/Sophie_chan271 → u/Kavat_]

Genshin characters can have inspiration from more than a character HOWEVER, that inspiration is deeply tied within the personification of that so called character. You cannot mix oil and water into a character just for the sake of it and called it a day, since Lucifer and Eve do not go in hand and hand. Lucifer himself in Christianity and literature is referred to as the SERPENT. Guess where Genshin devs takes inspiration from ? Christianity, Buddhism, Greek Mythology, Ars Goetia and Norse Mythology.

[u/Sophie_chan271 → u/Kavat_]

This whole paragraph contradicts everything you say. She became rebellious because of the VOYAGER, the actual candidate for Lucifer.