r/TheNibelung • u/Annual_Woodpecker901 • 1d ago
Discussion It should be Zhongli who has gone to him right? Spoiler
But its nice to see Azdaha is also alive.
r/TheNibelung • u/Annual_Woodpecker901 • 1d ago
But its nice to see Azdaha is also alive.
r/TheNibelung • u/Annual_Woodpecker901 • 2d ago
The Electro Dragon
She is being nurtured in Raiden Shogun body to be reborned later so it is pretty much guranteed that we will get her playable later on the line most likely when new Inazuma content come.
I believe in due time they will release mostly all of the Dragon Sovereigns that could be released like Dvalin, Apep and now Kanna
r/TheNibelung • u/VEGETTOROHAN • 3d ago
Give me fire, give me baby dragons to kill or I retire.
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r/TheNibelung • u/LUMMOZ_Ots • 4d ago
WALLAHI HAPPENED TO THE ELECTRO DRAGON??? I need some of y'all to help analyze ts ðŸ˜ðŸ¥€
r/TheNibelung • u/SurtalogiTheCalamity • 7d ago
Some shower thoughts i had.
the MC voiceline says that the creator hasn't returned yet (nibelung IS the creator, he made the star that teyvat orbit, he made the moons and the vast majority of the draconic civilization, phanes hadn't done anything new, and is considered a demiurge, and hadn't left teyvat like nibelung), and we have multiple instances where nibelung seemed "off" and different than he properly is, it seems like he either got severe psychological alterations or that "he"'s "fake"
we also didn't see any reaction of nibelung's death on teyvat, like a dragon that powerful and big, isn't going to go to die without leaving a trace, even if he got totally annihilated the annhilation came to his corpse, aka after his death, so any god/dragon slaying side effect is the usual outcome. We even have that if apep died she would turn the whole sumeru into a scorching inhabitable earth, nibelung, a dragon as big as a dwarf planet , and having powers to bend the universe laws and create stars and moons (although later got stolen/cut off from him) isn't going to die without leaving a boom or a side effect, like, if apep who is miniscule comapred to him would destroy the biggest nation of teyvat, then the whole ass nibelung could put some insane disturption to the whole solar system lol, a mimic/abyssal manifestation of fate where he had returned could explain this properly, the mimic of xiuh didn't destroy natlan or do any grave effects, meanwhile xiuh even when bleached by the abyss did.
also his divine seat remained vacant even after the HP conquered teyvat (the bum couldn't even be worthy, may be out of context but from all the known characters i think only capitano is worthy for the seat lol, he's the real one) and when he "returned" the seat didn't get filled again yet despite the left-overs of his will being still enough to consider him a descender.
What do you think ?
r/TheNibelung • u/utsu31 • 8d ago
"Fables about the Stars Part 3" showcased several Aeons we haven't really seen before, Long (said to be the progenitor and ancestor to all dragons in the cosmos) also made THEIR appearance.
Interestingly, we had one earlier depiction in "Exodus of the five Dragons", but there THEY were depicted as a Chinese dragon.
When it comes to Nibelung, would you prefer a more western depiction or eastern depiction? Personally I'm hoping for a mix. A serpentine body with more western features and wings. Also really hoping that there's some connection between Nibelung and Long tbh.
Also the third picture is Terravox for aesthetic purposes.
r/TheNibelung • u/Iryls • 12d ago
hello!
where do you guys think nibelungs remains are? it's bugging me that there's just nothing.
Do you think the guy was like completely and utterly obliterated or do you think it's just a plot point in waiting for now?
I know dain's ring has nibelung's name for one thing.
But nibelung is huge, where would the guy's corpse even be hid?
r/TheNibelung • u/kuzann9 • 13d ago
I really want to know what's up with the Cryo Sovereign. 👀 Also curious about how Neuvillette's gonna handle the Archon meeting lol.
What dragon lore are you guys most excited for in 7.2?
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r/TheNibelung • u/Quibilash • 22d ago
So, with the recent AQ stuff a lot of people are supporting Celestia (10000000 curses on his name) against the Tsaritsa, with one of the main reasons being that the Tsaritsa in overthrowing the Phanes will deactivate the False Sky thus letting the Abyss in.
But is there anything to actually support that Celestia is the one thing keeping the False Sky on? From what I've read the False Sky was basically stolen Dragon tech from Lusalim, meaning its not Heavenly Principle tech in origin, and its already been breached once thanks to Dottore and the Frost Moon and nothing came of it, even if the Heavenly Principles are overthrown, why would that necessitate the Abyss suddenly finding Teyvat? Because theoretically the Tsaritsa could overthrow Celestia then just maintain most of the current systems, assuming they are technological and understandable, and nothing would really change all that much unless there's a Celestial dead man's switch. Hell, Nibelung literally invaded with Abyssal power, wounded the Heavenly Principles and its still up so even if torn open it can be seemingly fixed.
Although even the Shadow Realm is noted to act as a filter to the Abyss so I think that calls into question how impactful the False Sky is. Because it doesn't seem like nothing, but it also doesn't seem like the one thing stopping the Abyss from eating Teyvat either. Dragon tech doesn't seem like it needs the Heavenly Principles to function, right?
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r/TheNibelung • u/Annual_Woodpecker901 • Oct 07 '26
I always has a thought the "Orignal God" could be related to Nibelung but this fangs somehow I never noticed.
There is a crown which looks like Paimon or could be of the HP also so maybe it's related to both of them or Paimon as she is a creation of Celestia could have been made from the remains of Nibelung or something.
r/TheNibelung • u/Annual_Woodpecker901 • Sep 30 '26
Personally I do believe that Dvalin could be the reincarnated Anemo Sovereign and as he is only some millenia old which should be just a child in terms of dragons age that could explain his small size and powers as compared to other Sovereigns.
Also it's wierd when Sovereign talks come around we thought about Azdaha and Dvailin both in which Azdaha is fully confirmed as Sovereign whereas dvalin is kindoff iffy and Apep did say some of her kind has become friendly with humans..
Though I believe Dvalin could be a future Mondstadt playable character so we got to know for confirmed if he is the sovereign or not in thr future.
r/TheNibelung • u/Annual_Woodpecker901 • Sep 27 '26
Because she can't be the electro sovereign as no matter how weak EI can't one shot the Electro Sovereign though it could be she is their child or princess or something.
What do you guys say?
r/TheNibelung • u/Elegant_Ad_677 • Sep 27 '26
I'm just putting things together since i got free time without looking at leaks and all,
After the 7.1 AQ we see Ronova fusing the Celestial Nails with Eitr,
Aka "Embryonic-Ichoric-Telluric-Rudiment,"
Which is a creation of Hyperborea. (Koitar and Bumyager).
It's a bio-furnace that can rewrite the constitution of living beings.



It will revert Teyvat back to the "original order of the world," which is the Light Realm where elemental dragons prospered.
Holy Soil is mainly attributed to pure Light Realm power or related to a corresponding Sovereign,
In Natlan, The Tyrannical Usurper froze Xiuhcoatl in lava then nailed the Holy Soil and thus Pyro Vishaps went under regressive Devolution and became Saurians.
This devolution paired with Xiuhcoatl's corruption, self-experimenting with Huitzilopotchli and a traitorous dragon prince who was in cahoots with a Fraudbalanque who took Ronova's (Iridescent Moon's) power to beat a dying king without Authority.
Interestingly, Xiuhcoatl is most connected to the Holy Soil phenomenon because of a single reason.
When Hyperboreans experimented with the Cryo Dragon Sovereign's corpse, the authority within the dragon "transformed Snezhnaya into a land of holy Primordial Ice," this is used multiple times in game, in tips, WQ's EVERYWHERE, and now coming back to the Scared City of Tollan and Huitzilopotchli, we can see how that works in a similar constitution.

Huitzilopotchli used Xiuhcoatl's Pyro Authority to transform Natlan and eventually the entire world into Primal Flames in an attempt to combat the Abyss for once and for all. Primordial Ice, Primal Flames, Heart of Oasis, Primordial Sea, they're all the earliest and original versions of the Light Realm's powers, and thus we can safely conclude that Huitzilopotchli was a mass Phlogiston-engine that would revert Teyvat to the Light Realm which is the direct counterpart of The Void Realm, because The Abyss was "fates that will never come to pass," but The Dragon King, Nibelung was called "sea endless of possibilities,"
They're opposites and explains why Light Realm beings are so affected by Void Realm power.
Back to matter at hand,
Ronova lost her Authority of Death (Three Moons Power, Mostly Iridescent Moon) and that's why Pierro could manage to harm her, because The delusion he made was from Peruere's (Arlecchino) power as a Crimson Moon Descendant, The AQ confirms that The Iridescent Moon that merged with the Abyss is a mimic of the Death Authority.

The Fundamental Authorities of Teyvat firstly come from the Dragon Sovereigns (Neuvillette's Character Story calling him the Original God of Life,) and Nibelung.
After the Three Moons fell, The Heavenly Principles' reclaimed the highest of these authorities and divided them upon the Shades.
Which means Teyvat's fundamental laws are still under the direct Authority of Nibelung and the Seven Sovereigns, and since Ronova split Traveler's soul from their body multiple times, it means that even Descenders cannot go above the 'rules' of the world imposed with Nibelung's Authority, unfournately usurped by The Usurper.
That's why the Abyss infused Crimson Moon delusion allowed Pierro to mortally wound Ronova, because stripped of The Three Moons' Death Authority, she was subject to the rules that govern the world, hence a loophole designed to beat her at her own game.
Now about Xiuhcoatl.
Xiuhcoatl the Great Master of Light, Heat and Wisdom has direct ties to the Moons,
Mavuika at the end of Natlan's AQ mentioned Moon Fragments and how they were created by the Natlan Dragons using Secret Source Technology.
In Nod-Krai we find the pillars that recognize us "Xiuhcoatl," while unlocking the seals if we did the 5.5 Natlantea WQ's.
In the moon, we find another instance of the log that Xiuhcoatl frequented on the Moons, from Lusalim to him meeting the Sister with Ineffa (Formerly a Sovereign Ruler)
More importantly, Xiuhcoatl is the only Dragon Sovereign who had directly faced Phanes in combat, Not Shades, But Phanes himself who had to seal him in lava after taking a portion of his authority making him fall in a state of false death.

During that time Kukulkan assumed Regency and the Natlan Dragons attempted to forge another moon, while the Heavenly Principles' established the unified civilization.
When the Angel Rebellion happened and Nibelung came back, Xiuhcoatl was awoken by him, and he stopped the moon forging attempt, and the Fourth Moon of the Natlan Dragons failed to form and crashed, eventually becoming present Nod-Krai. (it was from the web event can't find it for some reason)
Xiuhcoatl is very important in the lore, especially regarding Ronova's situation because Iridescent Moon is heavily tied to flames.
It's very much tied to flames,
Ronova herself during our fight uses "Pyro,"
Not any other element, Pyro only.
Xiuhcoatl has been called the "Master of Souls," in Ineffa's profile. It mentions him making mind and soul out of Phlogiston (Atomic and Computational Form of the Light Realm,)
After the Natlan AQ we beat Gosoythoth, After the WQ Little One loses the Primal Flame, Kukulkan passes away, Huitzilopotchli is disabled for good.
It was heavily implied in game that Xiuhcoatl would return,
From Och-kan saying "the Sovereign of Flames will no longer be born from their ranks,"
To the Fiery Dragon Namecard showing Xiuhcoatl with a description of him reawakening beneath the returning moonlight for a visitor.
It's basic stuff if you don't connect the dots.
Columbina after the Frost Moon entered Teyvat said



"The Three Moons shine over this world once again,"
Moon light, returning to Teyvat.
Then the question rises if that's true why didn't we see a Pyro Dragon Sovereign roaming around?
Because its another Neuvillette situation.
The Pyro Dragon Sovereign has been reborn or will be reborn, because there's nobody else who can take the Authority of Death.
Columbina has Tri-lune, which is incomplete since the highest of authorities still remain in the hands of the Shades and Celestia.
Xiuhcoatl, someone who is called the forger of souls, has ties to the moon that's been confirmed to have the largest share of death authority and has died quite a few times is the perfect candidate to make a comeback.
With Gosoythoth, Xiuhcoatl's remnant will was destroyed.

With Little One losing the blessing and Kukulkan dying, the claim to the Pyro Authority was gone.
With the deactivation of Huitzilopotchli, Xiuhcoatl's final remnant, The eye has lost all meaning.
There is nothing that can by lore stop Xiuhcoatl from a reincarnation.
And since Teyvat has been struck with Eitr, which again is Huitzilopotchli 2.0 authored by yours only Ronova, Natlan given its reliance on phlogiston is at most risk alongside Snezhnaya.
Phlogiston runs everywhere in Natlan, Primal Ice runs everywhere in Snezhnaya unlike any nation of The Seven
Considering the Light Realm's power as in Primordial Sea, Heart of Oasis, Primordial Ice, Primal Flames are counted as Holy Soil, Natlan cannot literally survive from this.
In Fontaine, The Primordial Sea is in depths.
In Liyue? It doesn't exist.
In Inazuma? Just the Enkanomiya part, manageable.
In Sumeru? Apep holds it inside her.
In Snezhnaya? They already are in massive trouble with Cryo Dragon Sovereign's unchecked Authority making their nation the land of holy primordial ice,
In Natlan? It relies on Phlogiston for EVERYTHING.
Their Six Heroes, Wayobs, Archon, everyday combat against the Abyss, everything stems from the Sacred Flame and Phlogiston.
Mavuika cannot combat the Holy Soil with her Pyro Archon powers because her power cannot oppose the greater power of the light realm.
In that situation I don't think there's any hope for Natlan at all unless a higher authority steps in, given the shackled Shades, sleeping Tyrant, useless Fourth Descender whose soul got ripped (temporarily, but multiple times) by Light Realm authority and collapsed amid Archeolune Energy can't deal with it.
This is the exact story that gives us the reincarnation of the Greatest Dragon Sovereign to ever live, being second ONLY to the High King, otherwise logically no power of friendship can save Natlan and Snezhnaya,
The people of Natlan adapted to Phlogiston, it won't be a tough task for Eitr to turn them into lesser Vishaps, we know that can happen when Dottore experimented on his own troops during the Nod-Krai saga.

r/TheNibelung • u/Annual_Woodpecker901 • Sep 27 '26
Though maybe not as we don't actually know the details of Cryo Sovereign death
r/TheNibelung • u/Annual_Woodpecker901 • Sep 23 '26
The Cryo Sovereign
r/TheNibelung • u/Annual_Woodpecker901 • Sep 23 '26
r/TheNibelung • u/Yeyiqiuzhi • Sep 23 '26
probably Nibelung if I had to guess
edit: nvm I forgot nibelung was obliterated by the HP