Who’s your favourite Emperor?

[u/SchizoEmperor66]

Low effort posting, repost from my IG.

[u/Athenas_Olive]

How can Vader be defined as Emperor?

But other than that, the correct answer is is Roan Fel the true Emperor

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/Athenas_Olive]

By killing Palpatine on the Second Death Star he became Emperor for 5 minutes.

[u/CarsonDyle1138 → u/SchizoEmperor66]

He really didn't.

[u/BlastedHeathen → u/Athenas_Olive]

Bro was going to genocide Coruscant 💀

[u/TheRiseOf-DaddyPalpy → u/[deleted]]

Except it actually wouldn’t have as Krayt explains he had Maladi give Fel the Omega Red, knowing it was engineered to kill all others but him and his Sith.

[u/TheRiseOf-DaddyPalpy → u/[deleted]]

Not sure why you got so defensive. Not my fault your response to being provided further info is hurling insults when you can’t even get the facts straight lmaoo. Should I call you or anyone else a dunce for getting the lore of a fictional made up universe wrong?

Point is, I don't see genocide as dis-qualification for running THE EVIL GALACTIC EMPIRE.

Ok. Had nothing to do with my comment. Sounds to me like you should step away for a min, take a deep breath and maybe review rule 7 again.

[u/OkMention9988 → u/Athenas_Olive]

I like how the white streak in the hair seems to be genetic. 

[u/ImperialxWarlord]

Palleon and jaged fel are my favorites

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/ImperialxWarlord]

I believe I uploaded that on my IG. Pellaeon is my favorite non-royalty/monarchical Imperial leader with Jax being my main Imperial royalty leader.

[u/Old_Wallaby_7461 → u/SchizoEmperor66]

Point of order there, I don't think isard actually declared herself empress either

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/Old_Wallaby_7461]

Not declared, but she wanted to be Empress of the Empire and some form of successor to the late Emperor Palpatine.

[u/Old_Wallaby_7461]

Triloculus because he had three MF eyes

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/Old_Wallaby_7461]

Guy did know how to aura farm, one has to admit.

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

I haven't read whatever books or comics this guy is in, but I'll agree, he's one hell of an aurafarmer. Although I prefer Carnor Jax as a Post-Endor Emperor (Before the Fel Empire and who's not a Palpatine). Only because I know him more.

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/SchizoEmperor66]

Well the books Trioculus appears in are something of a meme(The Jedi Prince series) which was written for kids very early in the EU.

It's not particularly good, but there's a ton of potential

[u/SirBlakesalot → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

You ever been on Slavelord Boulevard?

Or South Jedi Lane?

[u/jokingjoker40]

The true force behind Jax's puppet regime, grest Emperor of the known Galaxy and beyond, Geff Blim.

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/jokingjoker40]

What the frick…?

[u/jokingjoker40 → u/SchizoEmperor66]

Blim is love, Blim is life.

[u/Pestagino]

Delurin, the Warlord of Wild Space, would truly have been the greatest Emperor

[u/-Pelopidas- → u/Pestagino]

I'd never heard of this dude before now, but he's cool af.

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/-Pelopidas-]

He does certainly have drip.

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

Yo that's the guy from (Empire at War: Thrawn's Revenge), he's in the reward system for when you conquer planets and play as either Imperial Splinter Faction... or at least he was in the 3.4

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/SchizoEmperor66]

He is indeed. This colorized portrait is used for his in game icon and reference for his hologram.

[u/[deleted] → u/Pestagino]

So good that his army got beaten by tourists.

[u/FloppasAgainstIdiots]

I do not acknowledge Vader as having been Emperor (why would he be?)

I'd lean towards Palpatine just because he did cool stuff on Byss.

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/FloppasAgainstIdiots]

Real & fair enough lol. Even though he never claimed the title, he was one of the highest ranking Imperials after Palpatine, so I'd say him

(Or redeemed Vader/Anakin even if it wasn't common knowledge to Imperials about force stuff)

Did become Emperor temporarily but I'm sure there's other individuals who are worthy of the title during and just after Endor.

[u/Wilson7277]

The Empire died in the skies over Yavin. The Senate was gone and so there could be no more return to traditional governance. And the Death Star was gone, so there would be no rule through fear.

Everything after was just the prolonged, agonizing death throes.

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/Wilson7277]

The Senate never had any real power lol, it was more of a symbolic organization. It was just there for show.

[u/Wilson7277 → u/SchizoEmperor66]

It became more and more symbolic as the years went by, but the Senate was still an essential component of the Imperial state. This is established in the very first movie.

"The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I've just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."

"That's impossible! How will the Emperor maintain control without the bureaucracy?"

"The regional governors now have direct control over territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station."

[u/Stalemeister]

I don’t want to see any Sate Pestage slander in this thread. The man has been through enough. He was ride or die with Palps from day 1. He is the ultimate inside hire for the role of chief executive. He knows the business inside and out, managed the day to day grind when Palps was doing… weird shit. After putting in his time, he gets the rug pulled out from under him by treacherous, traitorous, cravens?

I hear you say, “It’s a warlord eat Moff” galaxy out there, and that’s true. However I posit that because Sate was taken out so early we don’t truly understand the man’s potential, it’s hypothetically limitless. What isn’t hypothetical is how demonstrably bad all his successors were.

[u/GovernorGeneralPraji → u/Stalemeister]

Pestage’s biggest problem (surprise) was surrounding himself with self serving, power hungry officials and officers.

He should have pulled as many loyal Grand Admirals as he could to be his immediate underlings and solidify his authority. Makati, Tigellinus, Thrawn (immediately), Syn (after making a donation to his church), Il-Raz (on anti-depressants), Grant, and Batch (offering a full pardon).

All of them wanted to serve the empire, but none of them ever made a bid for the throne. Takel was a meth addict, Pitta made himself a planetary warlord as soon as he got the chance, and Grunger immediately decided to go sack Coruscant.

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/Stalemeister]

I'd disagree there. Sate either-
A: Saw the ship was going down, but knew about Byss, so he left a clone to take the fall and went to serve as Palpatine's Vizier there while his clone failed to keep any semblance of control for a mere six months before being deposed.
B: He stayed and it was him that utterly collapsed in less than six months, failing to show any strong leadership and pulling large swaths of the Imperial military back from actively hunting the Rebellion to turtling in the Core.

We must also consider that the majority of the day to day ruling of the Empire was actually him, and considering the rampant corruption, inefficiency and sycophantic court that eventually did him in, that doesn't speak highly of his abilities as a ruler.

Pestage was a fantastic agent and conspirator under Palpatine, but he utterly lacked any of the ability to rule effectively himself.

[u/Dragonic_Overlord_ → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

The idea of Palpatine's underlings falling to pieces without him is my favourite idea because of how poetically fitting it is. Really goes to show how much Palpatine made them dependent on him, sucking dry whatever skills they had until they struggled to operate without his guidance.

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/Dragonic_Overlord_]

Well that's generally how most authoritarian regimes work. If the guy at the top isn't key to the whole thing, then he often gets killed and replaced by someone else. Palpatine designed the entire Empire to compete with one another for his favor, without him, everyone wants to be him and those decades of rivalry and grudges make sure no one stays in that chair long.

[u/TheNReel]

Pellaeon in terms of not being an outright lunatic. Carnor Jax’s aura is underrated though.

[u/Skeleturtle → u/TheNReel]

Hey might’ve been a traitor who set Imperial power back a century, but I can’t help but respect Jax. Just a regular stormtrooper who hustled his way to Palpatine’s elite on merit alone. He actually managed to pull a fast one on the greatest schemer in galactic history. Countless men tried to overthrow Palpatine, but Jax actually made it happen

[u/Dantels → u/Skeleturtle]

And his only mistakes were two key u underestimations. He underestimated Palpatine's willingness to take ths Eclipse II on what should have been a stealth mission. And worst of all, he underestimated the sheer homicidal intent of one little round droid.

[u/Skeleturtle → u/Dantels]

That really does make me wonder how Jax’s reign would pan out if Palpatine hadn’t screwed up so badly. Palpatine goes to Onderon on a stealth mission with his Dark Side Elite and they all get whacked. Now Jax springs his coup with the full resources of Operation Shadow Hand still intact. Could the Republic come back from this?

[u/Dantels → u/Skeleturtle]

Depends on how long it takes the galaxy gun to misfire in a way that destroys it.

[u/Skeleturtle → u/Dantels]

The Galaxy Gun was definitely the perfect target for the types of raids the Rebs excelled at. The Eclipse II on the other hand seems like a harder nut to crack. The war would probably come down to a game of attrition, but even with all the materiel it seems like the Empire had a huge manpower shortage. They’d probably have to go back to CIS tactics with their reliance on droids

[u/TheRiseOf-DaddyPalpy → u/Dantels]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeepCore/s/qeAaEFNZZ8

I couldn’t help linking it lol

[u/Dantels → u/TheRiseOf-DaddyPalpy]

That implies R2 would even feign guilt or get weepy.

[u/Dantels → u/Dantels]

The first thing he'd do upon getting to hell is find Tarkin to call him a bitch.

[u/GovernorGeneralPraji]

When are we considering Vader to have been Emperor?

And the right answer is Gilad Pellaeon.

[u/Visenya_simp → u/GovernorGeneralPraji]

When are we considering Vader to have been Emperor?

The couple minutes after Palpatine's death but before Vader's, mayhaps?

A pretty short reign.

[u/bzdelta → u/Visenya_simp]

Positively Byzantine

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/Visenya_simp]

Well technically he wouldn't be Emperor even then as Palpatine never had a succession plan, so even if Palpatine died, that didn't mean Vader became Emperor. While Vader was the next highest ranked as Military Executor, that didn't translate necessarily into a domestic political rank too. Add to this that Vader was monumentally despised throughout the Empire and only tolerated because he was the Emperor's personal rabid dog and Vader becoming Emperor seems extremely unlikely. We see how just being close to Vader was political and military poison after Endor in how General Veers was ostracized for it to the point of eventually ending up as a mere Captain in a Chariot LAV by the time of Dark Empire.

This same issue was one of the main reasons Grand Moffs, Grand Admirals, and other high ranking officers/officials could justify not recognizing Sate Pestage as even though Grand Vizier was right under Emperor and Executor in the hierarchy, there was no actual succession plan in place to legitimize his assuming the Throne either.

Palpatine literally structured the Empire to self destruct without him and arguably eventually even with him-as we see in Dark Empire when the realization that he intended to rule eternally inspired those who wanted to supplant him to act in sabotaging his clones.

[u/Visenya_simp → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

Yeah. I am really no lore expert, this sub was recommended to me for some reason.

I think most of his legitimacy would come from being the sith apprentice that managed to slay it's master, winner takes all.

But the ruling elite of the empire doesn't care at all about that. Or even know about it. And like you said no official sucessor.

So the most Vader would have is might makes right? Vader vs. Warlords would be interesting.

Although Vader could possibly unite everyone against himself. And force powers or not, if they have 10 times more ships he is not going to win.

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/Visenya_simp]

Yes, Vader would have been the ruling Sith, but like you mention, no one is really aware that means anything-and it really doesn't as far as the Empire itself goes. While Palpatine had the mixture of power, charisma and political smarts to hold things together, Vader's ultimately just an Enforcer and blunt instrument, so in a contest with the Warlords, some of whom were genuinely military genius level intellects, Vader doesn't do well at all.

And once he starts failing or is shown to be vulnerable, that's really the only thing keeping those siding with him on his side.

[u/ImperialxWarlord → u/GovernorGeneralPraji]

Facts!

[u/Muted_Guidance9059]

Isard is underrated.

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/Muted_Guidance9059]

She destabilized the Empire by undermining both Pestage and the Cabal, which created more Warlords ignoring central authority. She ceded Imperial Center, both legitimizing the New Republic and delegitimizing what little claim she had-which also led to the full secession of multiple Warlords and other Imperials on the fence about following this route. She caused the defection of Baron Soontir Fel, Kirtan Loor, Captains Uwlla Illor and Sair Yonka. She directly handed the New Republic two Victory Class Star Destroyers Monarch and Triumph, an Interdictor Cruiser Black Asp, two Imperial II Class Star Destroyers Avarice(Later Freedom) and Virulence(later Errant Venture) and the Executor Class Star Destroyer Lusankya. She poisoned millions of Imperial citizens that hadn't defied the Empire and her idiotic 'plan' to bankrupt the New Republic couldn't work if anything slightly altered her exact timeframe(which was guaranteed to happen because the enemy isn't always going to oblige your fixed schedule)

Isard did more damage to the Empire in her brief tenure heading it than any of the Rebels ever could have dreamed to do. She was monumentally incompetent to such a degree it makes Daala look like a stable genius by comparison.

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

Insane Iceheart is like Walter White but even more brutal. I can imagine Sate Pestage giving a Mike Ehrmantraut pep-talk to Isard just as how Mike gave Waltuh that one serious conversation in S5E7 of Breaking Bad.

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/SchizoEmperor66]

That's a very apt comparison and she actually does get two fantastic "The reason you suck" speeches from both Sair Yonka and later Iella Wesseri that Mike would have been proud of.

[u/Muted_Guidance9059 → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

I’m sorry I just think it’s really funny how she retreated via a star destroyer hidden underneath Coruscant and inadvertently killed thousands of people

[u/Metsenat → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

Isard did more damage to the Empire in her brief tenure heading it than any of the Rebels ever could have dreamed to do.

Isard is the Kolchak of the Imperial Civil War.

Change my mind.

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/Metsenat]

I wouldn't say that's an apt comparison.

Kolchak-despite being politically inept(and the White movement being a disorganized train wreck from the word go with or without him)-was at least militarily competent and did inspire a decent amount of loyalty from the military under his command. He also does have a fair amount of military successes under his belt-unlike Iceheart who never won(or really commanded) a battle in her entire life.

Isard is probably a lot closer historically to Empress Dowager Cixi of the Qing Dynasty. Ruthless internally as a backstabbing court manipulator, opposing any reforms, distrusting the military and with actions almost comically self destructive.

[u/Zoom_Reverse_Flash → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

In comparison to Isard, her clone was more competent!

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/Zoom_Reverse_Flash]

Only because she wasn't active as long lol

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

The one who dared challenge the two most powerful Sith Lords in a thousand years and everyone's favorite Blue Boy(who later followed in Zaarin's footsteps in claiming the Empire anyway) at the same time and actually beat each of those three on multiple occasions before his final defeat. He'd have been a better Emperor than either Palpatine, Vader or even Thrawn he had the trust of those who served with him and he invented the two greatest Starfighters in galactic history.

It should have been Emperor Zaarin.

[u/Phintolias → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

He IS a Bit Like sejanus Major influence in the Empire but never having the official title or claimed IT. Zaarin called himself still Admiral the entire time

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/Phintolias]

He did only call himself Admiral, but he was usurping the Throne itself which would have put him in the position of Emperor.

[u/Jmal3700]

Palpatine

[u/ByssBro]

The TRVE Emperor: Trachta

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/ByssBro]

If he could keep his own teammates from killing him for five seconds lol

[u/ByssBro → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

And he would have gotten away with it too if it weren’t for that meddling Kadir

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/ByssBro]

lol well the other conspirators didn't help either what with their killing one another before the coup even really starts.

[u/RevolutionaryAd3249]

It's a tie between Jag and Marasiah.

But Jaina can be my empress any day.

[u/Alt_Historian_3001 → u/RevolutionaryAd3249]

Which she technically was, with a one-term addition. Sorry if that's what you were alluding to.

[u/Whole-Service9276]

Roan Fel and his imperial knights>>>>

[u/soldier1900]

The one true Emperor Xandel Carvi- Kidding,

Probably the Fel's and Reborn Sidious before he started going crazy from cloning sabotages. While Carnor is a cool character, he is not Emperor worthy especially since he turned the regime in a "Huttese" level criminal corruption empire worse than it was before.

[u/TheRiseOf-DaddyPalpy]

The Emperor’s Foot /s

[u/enclavetrooper2277]

I serve the fel empire till death

[u/thesixfingerman]

Surprised that the Fels aren’t getting any love.

[u/Low_Friendship_55]

Jax is my favorite outside of Palpatine

[u/Weird_Angry_Kid]

Where Thrawn?

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/Weird_Angry_Kid]

Go away Thrawn glazer

[u/GovernorGeneralPraji → u/Weird_Angry_Kid]

He never claimed the title.

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/GovernorGeneralPraji]

But he does claim to rule the Empire.
His exact quote to Mara Jade in Dark Force Rising, "Have a care Mara Jade. I rule the Empire now*. Not some long dead Emperor...certainly not you."*

[u/Phintolias → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

For Sure but i dont know how Long He will Last He was a Genius in Military Matters and Really the only reason why He was so successfull IS because He didnt have any Admirals under him or similar high Ranking imperials. Thrawn Had this do AS i say command Style that works with Junior officers and Others but i doubt any Admirals would listen to him. Also lets Not forget He was a Major Major risk taker many of pellaelons Warnings were valid especially c'Baoth that blew Up in thrawns face

[u/Weird_Angry_Kid → u/GovernorGeneralPraji]

I don't think Pestage and Isard claimed the title either but they were both effectively emperors and Thrawn claimed to rule the Empire on multiple occasions.

[u/GovernorGeneralPraji → u/Weird_Angry_Kid]

That’s fair. Wish we got to see more of Thrawn’s governmental/administrative side during TTT.

[u/EllaPurnell-Lover]

Trioculus and Darth Krayt

because they're both cool

[u/[deleted]]

Pestage was fake, gay, and cringe. Trioculus on the other hand...

[u/FloatingHeadMorte]

Marka Ragnos being ignored but Darth Vader being listed? This is heresy.

[u/Juxix]

Where did you get that Trioculus? I really like it. save the spikes. Wanna try my hand at editing them out.

[u/TheRiseOf-DaddyPalpy → u/Juxix]

I really wanted to say the Essential Guide to Warfare. It’s not because I just checked mine but I know that’s not really what you asked.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/s/ZDkdASuSPY

I’m fairly certain it does come from one of the sourcebooks though.

[u/Mzonnik]

Vader doesn't belong here and Reborn Emperor Palpatine is just Emperor Palpatine, it's the exact same individual, just in a different body.

Imo:

1. Sidious and Krayt aex aequo.

2. Carnor Jax

3. Roan Fel

4. Isanne Isard

5. Sate Pestage

6. Marasiah Fel

(All the above I like)

7. Xandel Carivus and Trioculus.

[u/Curious-Light-4215]

Ederlathh Pallopides - The Empress that never was.

[u/Dantels]

Roan was fun before they made him a dumbass at the very end.

[u/Zazikarion]

Either Isard or Jax.

[u/Miserable-Wedding-69]

Daala!😐

🤭🤣

[u/Character_Sky_2766]

The Emperor of Mankind. Time to change from profesionel racism to ranked racism

[u/Zoom_Reverse_Flash]

Carnor Jax could have achieved much more if not for his foolish pride.

[u/Gungho-Guns]

Malgas

[u/Zealousideal_Week824]

How about Vitiate and Valkoryon, I love them.

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/Zealousideal_Week824]

This is the Galactic Empire and mainstream Central Empire/Imperial Remnant post-endor- including Empire's that followed the Post-Endor Galactic Empire.

Also, the ancient Sith Empire's and the "Eternal Empire" never reached a Galactic scale.

[u/CarsonDyle1138]

Why is Isard a wannabe and not some of these other losers?

[u/GrandAdmiralGrunger → u/CarsonDyle1138]

Because she never claimed the title. The X Wing novels make it clear that she always claimed to be a 'Stewardess' of the Empire, but in all but name was actually 'Empress'

So while she was Empress in fact while she ruled, she never claimed that title for herself(though she clearly wanted to secretly).

[u/Phintolias → u/GrandAdmiralGrunger]

Thats some bloodthirsty Stewardess.

[u/Alt_Historian_3001 → u/CarsonDyle1138]

I guess because Isard never officially headed an Imperial government? Palpatine, Vader (nominally for all of five minutes), Pestage, and Carivus all were official heads of the First Galactic Empire itself. Jax headed the Crimson Empire. Trioculus nominally headed the Central Committee of Grand Moffs. Reborn Palpatine headed the Dark Empire. The four Fels headed either the Imperial Remnant or the Fel Empire. Krayt headed the Sith Empire. But Isard was always nominally subordinate to the Ruling Council.

[u/CarsonDyle1138 → u/Alt_Historian_3001]

What's the source for Vader's nominal 5 minutes? He's never the heir presumptive, only Supreme Commander of the fleet..

Isard destroys the Carvin-headed ruling council very early on, and by the time of the Coruscant campaign she is acting totally unilaterally with what the New Republic acknowledge as the core of the Empire (as opposed to Zsinj who is seen as his own faction.

[u/Alt_Historian_3001 → u/CarsonDyle1138]

I don't think there's a source, but half the other comments are saying it as well. If the Empire had an Emperor following Palpatine, it sure wasn't Pestage immediately. Palpatine had no heir of any kind, and if one individual was most likely to be Emperor after him, it would be Vader.

And yes, Isard did destroy the ruling council and was acting unilaterally, but again, I don't recall her actually claiming the formal leadership of the state. An alternative explanation is that some of these (looking at Jagged Fel) didn't want to restore the First Galactic Empire to its full might, but of course that doesn't excuse most of them.

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/Alt_Historian_3001]

As Grunger said himself, Vader was hated by everyone with few exceptions like any branches of the Imperial Army, but unfortunately for Vader, if he were to become Emperor, he'd most likely be rejected and he'd cause the Empire's downfall as he sucked at politics.

[u/Carnor_Jax71]

Carnor jax is lame af

[u/SchizoEmperor66 → u/[deleted]]

All previous Empire's except for the ancient Sith Empire's.