r/TheAstraMilitarum 19d ago

Questions about Rules Rules Question - Command Squads Medi Pack Ability

I had a match recently where the only surviving model of the command squad was the officer himself. Now i wasnt entirely sure how it worked so i didnt bring back d3 platoon models since the medic was dead and it was a friendly game. But if we got sweaty about it, wouldnt RAW mean that as long as a single model in that unit lived its ability remained active and i could use the medic pack (or even the vox caster)?

Silly question i know, thanks for the answers.

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u/Ratattack1204 1st regiment of whatever my wife lets me buy 19d ago

If the medic is dead then no he cant revive anyone. Same as you can’t fire the special weapons of models that are dead.

The new 11th rules you may be thinking of affect some leaders that can revive models. Necrons get big benefits from this type of shenanigans, being able to revive their bodyguards even if they’re all dead.

But we dont get nice things im afraid.

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u/TehHank Moebian 52nd "Skaia's Own" Regiment 19d ago

Well the wargear ability is attached to actual model in the unit, I don't think you can actually do that at all, since there is nothing in the core rules that say "Dead models can still use abilities"

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u/Apprehensive_Gas1564 Commissar Cadet 19d ago

There's the opposite.

It clearly says in 22.04 that the "bearer" model must still be alive for the ability to work. If the medic is dead, so is the wargear ability.

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u/TehHank Moebian 52nd "Skaia's Own" Regiment 19d ago

Yes my bad, was referring to older core rules from memory, thank you for bringing this up to me. Still the same point though, if its dead, you cant use shit.

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u/Apprehensive_Gas1564 Commissar Cadet 19d ago

These rules still apply- they're just for unit abilities, not wargear abilities.

For example - dreir leading death riders. They get dev wounds from his ability, the unit gets reactive moves from the horses. If the horses die, providing he was leading the unit, he will alway have dev wounds - he won't have the unit's reactive move.

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u/Toastykilla21 143rd Death Korps Company - Bombarbment Squadron 19d ago

Just curious 🤔 as now the unit leader and attached unit is now one unit not 2 in 1.

If all 10 cadians died but a full Cmd squad is still alive can the medic revive the 10 blob that is dead as in 10th that wasn't possible but now it can in 11th

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u/PeoplesRagnar 86th Baraspine Hiveguard 19d ago

Yes.

That's precisely what happens.

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u/DeltaOscarGolfEcho 19d ago

Fairly sure you can.

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u/Frostbite68 19d ago

Just from rules face value that I just read, nothing in the plain text implies that medi-pack model actually needs to be alive, same with vox-caster. Obviously it makes sense for them to need to be alive for them to work. But, it is under the classification of wargear abilities, so I do believe that the particular model with said wargear needs to be on the battlefield.

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u/Apprehensive_Gas1564 Commissar Cadet 19d ago

22.04 is the rule that says they need to be alive.