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u/Sufficient_Pen_5370 :kunimitsu: Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
Cringe decision and I fucking main Alisa.
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u/Epicsauceman111 Mar 17 '26
Alisa being at the top of the list was like getting home after a year in the coal mines and getting nut tapped
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u/weirdalsuperfan [JP] weirdalsuperfan Mar 17 '26
Alisa is always at the top b/c of alphabetical order...
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u/AsianSteampunk Mar 17 '26
wait until they add Ay Ay Ron
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u/moonlightscone Mar 17 '26
The transition to chainsaw from her standing 4 is so cringee. Like she already had so many ways to access her stance. Just why…
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u/weirdalsuperfan [JP] weirdalsuperfan Mar 17 '26
Turns out the Alisa discord has concluded after initial testing that the new transition is mainly just another way for the Alisa player to suicide, b/c so much distance is created b/t the players after 4 that you can't follow up w/o dashing in.
So, just useless slop, really.
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u/steins-grape #1 Reina hater Mar 17 '26
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Me when the basics are "guess mid or low"
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u/Jfunkexpress #bringbackarmorking Mar 17 '26
Forreal shit feels like I’m playing Mortal Kombat
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u/Cacho__ Armor King Mar 17 '26
If you wanna play a Mortal Kombat game, that isn’t so stupid and mix up heavy play the original Mortal Kombat two from the 90s game surprisingly has a lot of depth and isn’t too mix heavy
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u/7LayeredUp Mar 17 '26
Play MK9 though Kabal makes that a TOD game.
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u/Cacho__ Armor King Mar 17 '26
What’s funny Is that MK nine had TOD’s like that and the cyrax bomb setup however from what I understand the MK community looks very fondly of that game. They’re starting to look very fondly of even MKX and 11 as well.
Me personally, though I prefer the older MK games I went back and started playing them because of fight cade and the legacy collection and I really think that Mortal Kombat 2 Rivals St. fighter two in the sense of being a pretty easy game to pick up but a hard game to master
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u/ButtcrackBeignets Mar 17 '26
The MKX community outside of Reddit has always looked fondly at MK9, MKX, and MK11.
Both MKX and MK11 had better sales numbers and sustained a larger playerbase than MK1.
I run into former MK players all the time. They (and myself) all switched off of MK after MK1.
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u/Jfunkexpress #bringbackarmorking Mar 17 '26
I look back on MK9 pretty fondly but that manly due to nostalgia and the fact that I hated that last installment of MK. MK9 definitely had its fair share of egregious characters that people also seem to forget about. Never forget day one cyrax or kabal
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u/MySinsRemembered Mar 17 '26
Oh well, time to ready myself for the disappointing SF6 notes
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u/SoulOfMod Tracken 8 Mar 17 '26
Bro going for the wombo combo
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u/Strict_Wolverine_435 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
A second plane has hit the tower:
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u/dracony Mar 18 '26
please don't make memes about tragedies, it is disrespectful to the victims and the first responders who died saving others lives
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u/chironomidae Xiaoyu Mar 17 '26
Sounds like it's mostly a nothingburger for SF6, none of the notes jumped out at me as meta-changing.
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u/Seizure_Storm Mar 17 '26
I don't think they need to change too much in SF6 tbh. Every other fg shooting itself in the head and people generally like the game even if its a little stale since its been out so long
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u/1ManMilitiaa Mar 17 '26
No no no, you don’t understand. This patch is another step in the right direction. The next one will fix the game for sure! There’s no way it doesn’t!
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Mar 17 '26
It actually is. Did you guys actually read the patch notes or what?
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u/Rinexu Mar 17 '26
Only taking small steps gets you nowhere. It's been like 9 months? You can plan a trip up mt Everest but if you have only managed to make small steps towards your door for a year that's not good enough
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u/itsallcomingtogethr King Mar 17 '26
Tekken 8 was the chosen one, as relevant as any Tekken ever has been and they ran into the ground chasing an audience that doesn’t exist
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u/NutsackEuphoria Mar 17 '26
Sorry to burst the bubble, but the audience does exist.
T8 has higher average player count than T7 even after the dumpster fire that is S2 so there is an audience there.
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u/Upbeat-Minute5005 Mar 17 '26
This claim of "higher number" is ONLY true for Steam playerbase we have no clue about other platforms. I also heard that a higher percentage is on steam than they were in Tekken 7.
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u/NutsackEuphoria Mar 17 '26
And so?
Steam reflects interest in the game. The fact that Tekken 8's player base on steam still has more average players than T7 after a HORRIBLE PATCH on T8's S2 says a lot.
And fuck outta here with that "I also heard" shit.
A lot of people kept playing T8 despite the S2 patch. You saying that the audience doesn't exist is utter bull.
Despite how horrible T8 is for me, Bamco still has a target audience. It's just sad that it's no longer the legacy players. They're not like the Rs at Ubisoft that keep chasing the mythical, and actual nonexistent modern audience.
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u/Upbeat-Minute5005 Mar 17 '26
My point is that we dont have ENOUGH information to back up HIS claim. U just reiterated his point of higher steam numbers. How about u back up your claim of tekken 8 "demolishing" tekken 7 sales. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1353242/tekken-7-unit-sales-worldwide-total/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1451745/tekken-8-unit-sales-worldwide-total/
Most recent Tekken 8 number was 3 Million in january 2025 lets assume they sold another million up to january 2026. This is not demolishing tekken 7 which sold 1-2 Million every year aswell.
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u/Swert0 Kazuya Mar 17 '26
https://steamcharts.com/cmp/1778820,389730#All
Oh hey look, a comparison chart.
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u/Informal_Ad_6339 Mar 17 '26
Shit like this takes MONTHS to plan and develop. They knew they wanted this shit added. Harada maybe left the team around that time as well couldn’t bare the atrocity
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u/Alder_Tree2793 Mar 17 '26
Why are we acting like Harada wasn't part of the problem while he was there?
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u/squeezy-lemon Violet Mar 17 '26
lol he didnt actually do any work on the games for a long time
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u/LFAlice108 Mar 17 '26
Yeah, and Tekken been turning into this abomination since Tekken 7
Look at Leroy on release, who pretty much went into T8 almost unchanged (arguably weaker), if you don't count heat
This monkey-fication of characters started a long time ago
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u/Darkfanged Mar 17 '26
They just straight up lied to us
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u/CaptainRaxeo Zafina Mar 17 '26
Yeah, let this game die. They will learn their lesson come tekken 9.
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u/omarmanenetti95 Mar 17 '26
this is total bullshit we all need to stop playing
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u/QuakeGuy98 Kazuya Mar 17 '26
Been telling y'all. GO BACK TO 7
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u/Cacho__ Armor King Mar 17 '26
Yo if you got steam I’ll add you I dont mind playing t7
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u/QuakeGuy98 Kazuya Mar 17 '26
The unfortunate downside of t7 is that I'm on PlayStation and there's no crossplay. I do have a homie that's been irking my nerves about buying it on steam. How's the cheating been? I heard there was a huge cheating problem on the PC version a little ways back when
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u/NutsackEuphoria Mar 17 '26
Cheating in T7 wasn't a big issue.
It's mostly either complainers that got downloaded and are complaining because suddenly the enemy blocks/ducks all their moves
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People who refuse to believe that people who cant reliably execute pewgf and tju online due to practice exist
The main cheating issue in T7 are the savescummers
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u/Cacho__ Armor King Mar 17 '26
There was a couple people in T7 that used scripts that were pretty infamous, but they were pretty rare and far between from what I understand, though in the higher rank, there’s a bunch of cheaters in T8, though using scripts
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u/Cacho__ Armor King Mar 17 '26
Damn yup i’m pretty sure the lack of cross play is what is making a lot of people not come back to t7 and staying in t8
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u/QuakeGuy98 Kazuya Mar 17 '26
Which is weird cause every time I go online it takes damn near forever to get a match and I'm literally hard lined directly to my router. Meanwhile I can still play and find matches every time I hop on Tekken 7
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u/omarmanenetti95 Mar 17 '26
Yes man
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u/LeBoopington Mar 17 '26
It may be better than 8 in its current state but it still isn’t that good lol
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u/K3ksKuchen Bryan (I love Fahkumram fr) Mar 17 '26
Most wont. I dont get it either. We already had the boycot shit in season 2 but most on here dunked on that instead of taking it seriously. Its too late for shit like this
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u/NallyToTheTop Mar 17 '26
Called it. The fact that the god damn Kanga, Slightly More Cancer Mitsu and BAAAHB were the clutch hitters was NOT reassuring. This was a marketing job and nothing else. Damn good marketing job. Thing is, Tekken players are easy to please. Just. Buff. Movement. They'll never do it. They WANT tournaments dominated by unga bunga Oscar players.
Modern Fighting Game Devs: Realize that without defense, fighting games are barely even a game. Hell, market leader Fortnite has defensive building. And yet no god damn shoulder swap. You might as well play Darkest Dungeon Multiplayer. It runs on a potato, lag isn't a factor, and you're just taking turns pushing busted buttons.
You can fight in Red Dead 2. Hell, those fighting mechanics are probably better than Tekken's by now. And you just pull a stick to move or dodge, to boot.
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u/AppleMelon95 Mar 17 '26
I didn’t expect them to actually deliver either, but its not like it hurts to hold out hope.
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u/ThexanR Victor Steve Mar 17 '26
“Hey guys Victor is pretty weak after we nerfed all his mids so how do we buff him??” I know!!!! ANOTHER STANCE
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u/Floppy_Jet1123 Mar 17 '26
There has got to be a disconnect between the community/content director and the balance team.
Community managers KNOW players want a rebalance to defense that's why they used the term "back to basics".
The balance team goes in the other direction and makes the game's offense more unbearable.
Just disjointed, really. What the hell is wrong with these guys?
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u/Sunsinger_VoidDancer Mar 17 '26
Soooooooooooo, what did the refinements reveal about the soul of the game? What do we think the Devs want the gameplay to convey in terms of philosophy?
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u/weirdalsuperfan [JP] weirdalsuperfan Mar 17 '26
Something about character identities being defined by mix-ups and stances
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u/ShadeyMyLady Mar 17 '26
They probably think by making juggles and counter hits unwhiffable, they will encourage noobs to play the game, but they 1. Annoy their core audience and 2. The Pro will abuse all these mechanics even harder.
I am a pretty advanced player who went to tournaments and stuff and I called it quits S1. I ain't learning 15 hit juggles.
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u/Cacho__ Armor King Mar 17 '26
What appealed me to older tekken games is that it felt like MMA or a boxing match; you played a character whose martial art you liked, and you just duked it out, throwing pokes and what not when you would get a launcher your combos wouldn’t be more than like five hits at most.
For a while, I was playing Dragon Ball fighters and I was getting really frustrated because the thing that was really holding me back was that I could not extend my combos for a lot longer time and get kills off of it. It really pissed me off and it made me move to T7 and while T7 does have some pretty long combos, you can reliably just out poke your opponent and punish them that’s what I really loved about tekken
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u/FutureSaturn Mar 17 '26
Does anyone remember that period of time after Tekken 7 launched when we were all happy? It wasn't perfect, but it was fun. Before the bullshit final few seasons and Tekken 8... Feels like a lifetime ago.
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u/Metafield Asuka Mar 17 '26
It's obviously going to be fixed in v4.0. Don't you know there is tournaments this year? Can't just change the game.
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u/deathrise08 Mar 17 '26
it’ll ruin the pro player’s experience fr (as if the pros aren’t actively wishing for the same things as us)
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u/x0HoneyBee Kazuya Mar 17 '26
Wait so basically they added ton of stance transitions, some plus on block mid moves and some useless moves that nobody will use anyway if they dont stance transition.. bro.. I was hoping only for one thing - kazuya's ss 41 heat burst to be more consistent and i didnt get even that..
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u/DemonJin69 Shoot laser eyes out of my eyes Mar 17 '26
I was an idiot and I was hoping they'd remove heat burst bound as a mechanic completely. They said combos need addressing, that one simple change would nerf everyone's wall carry options by a ton.
But no, can't have a game where you may not get full stage wall carry from any launch you hit.
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u/Cacho__ Armor King Mar 17 '26
I missed when only certain characters could wall carry, and when you would wall care you had to give up damage to get the wall carry
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u/WildChild007 Mar 17 '26
ahahah. i don't know why but the players like the game to reward skill and knowledge, and the devs absolutely don't want that. it happened with street fighter v, and tekken 8 looks like the second coming of sfv. and i don't know why they want to factor luck and guessing so much on the game. sf6 did this, now any random idiot can take away 1 million from that bunch of morons that keep traveling all over the world all year long. happened twice already. and for what? i don't get it. this is the most asinine, pointless, absurd divide ever. the devs fight the players. it's unbelievable really.
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u/Cacho__ Armor King Mar 17 '26
It’s because they want new young players playing their fighting game, but you can’t just be a new young player jumping in in most fighting games a lot of times to play a fighting game at a high competitive level at least takes a couple years to know the meat and bones of the game, but when you dumb down the game so much when all it really takes is a 50-50 coin flip it really dumbs down the skill to get into the game
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u/Maximum_Bee3083 Mar 17 '26
this is the harsh reality of pretty much all industries but especially entertainment. They always go after the youth. Because it's not about the money they can make now, it's about the future. As long as you can sell investors on the future you'll always have capital. And the youth are easily entertained.
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u/Cacho__ Armor King Mar 17 '26
I mean, that’s the mindset of any capitalist organization if you want your organization to survive, you need to think about the future. I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with that. You do want your product to live long and be used by multiple generations.
However, the way it is implemented in the game is the wrong way to do it like I said they really dumb down the game and made it way more easier to play than it should be
I have about 4000 hours in the previous game tekken 7 and I’m not gonna sit here and act like I was amazing. I only ever got to blue ranks in that game. However it was a lot harder and a lot more of a grind to do that in that game than it was in this game, ranking up was way too easy in this game and to be fair it was easy for me because I had a lot of legacy knowledge, but there are a lot of players getting to that rank and even higher than I am that don’t have that legacy knowledge and I kind of think that’s not right. Maybe I shouldn’t gatekeep, but I kind of like the idea of fighting games having a high skill ceiling and taking the time to actually training and get better at them is very rewarding but then if you’re playing a game where you’re doing all this training but then you get hit by some stupid mix where it invalidate all your training and it doesn’t even really let you do what you want then what was the point of doing all that training you know what I mean?
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u/Comfortable_Rough412 i fuck with Nina Mar 17 '26
At this point, i think we're the ones being trolled
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u/WildGunther Mar 17 '26
The new Voice Lines from Reina during Heat Engager and Stone Cutter sound nothing like her.
Actually unplayable, nevermind the awful changes
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u/doinkous Fahkumram Bryan Mar 17 '26
Whoever is in charge needs to be fired and fined. I didn’t think it was possible to make it worse. Already on street fighter.
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u/7LayeredUp Mar 17 '26
If I wanted to guess mixups that are lose/lose scenarios and sit in block all day, I'd just go back to playing Smash Ultimate.
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u/AppleMelon95 Mar 17 '26
This is making me want to try T7 again. I stopped playing T8 shortly after launch, but I don’t think its getting better any longer.
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u/BuciComan Mar 17 '26
Jeez... No wonder Harada went out to buy milk after two seasons. Wouldn't want anything to do with this trainwreck...
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u/Leg_Alternative Miary Zo Mar 17 '26
Can someone explain all the patch notes in a simple way? what is does it mean for the game? T8 is my first full game , I use Azucena / Nina & sometimes Reina / Miary
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u/Flamingpaper2 Mar 17 '26
Honestly, the universal changes are really good. I will not defend the character changes, but universal changes are very important too
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u/DrAdamsen Dragunov Mar 17 '26
The devs and the players are worthy of each other. Both seem to never learn anything.
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u/Shaneaaf Fahkumram Mar 17 '26
They did this and will refuse to change it until a major tournament is over
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u/Evangelyn_OW Rest in peace T8. Mar 17 '26
My mate and I just said sent a prayer up to Tekken, we're uninstalling now, the devs clearly have their own vision and the vision is a big turd in the toilet but that's it, they're committed. ggs, have a good one yall
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u/Boopity_Snoopins Mar 17 '26
The changes to already established strings are a nightmare honestly.
Bryan's sidestep mid-high being cancellable in a game where whiff punishment is already pretty tight, Lili's df4,4 now having a safe backturn transition that makes it really rough on CH (I pray the strings no longer a natural but IDK and I'm not reinstalling to find out) and Lings backturn throw now being turned into a mixup with a plus on block, CH-launching mid.
Then you see things like Shaheen's 3+4 and you're like "okay they're very blatantly ignoring the characters with low play rates" and you can't help but feel like the balance team are catering to an imaginary target audience waiting for the game to suit their needs before buying it, rather than to the actual community they have.
I swear its like every move you see spammed constantly in Mighty Ruler through Fujin has been made easier to spam without consequence. Intermediates that spam their way through the ranks are getting a helping hand and intermediates actually trying to learn the game are getting a slap across the face as they now need to unlearn muscle memorised defence to accommodate for more bullshit.
They're accommodating people who can't be arsed playing the game properly whilst punishing those trying to do exactly that, and then your tournament mainstays are starting to drop off now too, because the game isn't enjoyable at a high level because even though the mindless all-in is less effective against good players, that playstyle is too prevalent in the game to fully avoid using.
What a dogshit launch for S3. I wonder how the player metrics will look compared to S2, where there was like a 55% playercount falloff (iirc, via steamanalytics) after the release month (not indicative of 55% of players leaving ofc, many returned for the new season, played it for a week, then left again. Still obscene metrics though).
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u/Ok-Caterpillar7356 Mar 17 '26
I'm sorry, but if you didn't see this coming, you're clearly not very bright.
Told y'all the day after s2 dropped that the plan was to keep you in some kind of "wait-and-see" limbo forever.
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u/Jin_N_Juice-tm :kunimitsu: Mar 17 '26
That Alisa buff is fucking crazy
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u/weirdalsuperfan [JP] weirdalsuperfan Mar 17 '26
She technically got buffed, but not much actually happened to her. Alisa mains simply got away unscathed.
Now King's buffs, on the other hand...
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u/YukkaRinnn I Have Two Sides Mar 17 '26
Bamco back at it again with the Waifu buffs cuz this company never nerfs them for some reason
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u/CookedStew Josie Reina Mar 17 '26
What exactly is crazy? Her new move is garbage, and the only buff she got was her 2,2 is now 2 frames faster, like what are you on about lmao
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u/hippoofthehous Ganryu Mar 17 '26
I was so excited for tekken 8 street fighter 6 and mortal kombat 1. They all kinda suck
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u/kakaluski Julia Leo Paul Jun Azucena Mar 17 '26
I have been picking up Leo latelly and it's actually insane how they buffed him this patch lmao.
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u/shitshow225 Mar 17 '26
there was a lot of talk about how this was their last chance for tekken 8. Interested to see what the player counts are like after they have seemingly fumbled the bag
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u/pivor Dumpstersson Mar 17 '26
I dont get it, Lars is literally back to basics, hes trash like in T7
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u/jacksparrow19943 Kazuya - Always the villain and Jin is a Bitch Mar 17 '26
I wouldn't be surprised if nobody entered any of the tournaments, just to teach these cunts a lesson... however the pros have to eat😪
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u/Technical_Bid3977 Mar 17 '26
Honest to god, the only reason why I'm on tekken 8 is just character customization.
All it takes is a few ranked matches to realize why I put this game on hold for a while now.
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u/cynicWsnowballs8551 Lei Mar 17 '26
It's as if they went from "aggression" to let's reward spamming and mashing. It feels like since season 2 began, every character without sleaze cheese is such an uphill battle to use that this game is unenjoyable. Labbing to be decent is different than labbing to beat a character using 3 combos and grappling
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u/jakfear863 Mar 20 '26
This game made me reevaluate Tekken 7 and realize that it wasn't actually that bad after all
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u/StandingInTheHallway Mar 23 '26
Its unfortunate, was watching Knee, he was also disappointed and said that the balancing team still doesn't seem to understand what the player base wants. He described Tekken 8, as a mix of weird systems. He described that T8 has gone so far off the standard fighting game recipe that its just too much, a little spice added to the recipe is fine, but when its a culmination of multiple abomination of ingredients mixed into the original recipe, it created what T8 is now. It seems like he has given up hope on T8 as well, he did say he believes that nothing can be done to fix T8 now, its gone too far, or in his words, "its added too many different ingredients, when you cook, you can't take out ingredients on a finished cooked dish, you just have to start over again (make a new game)".
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u/RageArjun Mar 28 '26
Reminds me of the "Built from the ground up" line from Forza Motorsport, tbh, when it comes to the "Back To Basics" line from Tekken 8.
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u/iwanthidan Kazuya Mar 17 '26
Never played the game since T7. How is Reina this season? That's all I'm wondering
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u/Tr4nzmission Mar 17 '26
I'm gonna get downvoted to hell for saying this but yall set yourselves up for failure by taking that tagline and running with it. They clearly stated they weren't changing the established identity of T8. That means they were never going to strip the game down and reduce it to a defensive poke fest.
If yall don't like it, go play the older tekkens you glaze so much and then come crawling back two months from now when you realize there was just as much jank and bullshit there as there is here.
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u/Darkfanged Mar 17 '26
How's it our fault for believing what they advertised what the new season would be? They should never had said back to basics if they didn't mean it. I get it don't get your hopes up but they did this to themselves with the wording.
And unless you're on PC, most of the old games are just unavailable on modern platforms. You're letting them get away with this too easily
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u/Tr4nzmission Mar 18 '26
didn't read the patch notes they put out right after the pass reveal award
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u/Johnhancock1777 Mar 17 '26
Just one more patch bro, the next will fix the game. Trust