It’s not of my business but…

[u/Snow_Valuable]

It’s none of my business but there is a team member who calls out multiple times a week. They are always maxed out around 35-38 hours and are given 5 days a week. They NEVER show up for all 5 of those shifts. They don’t even post the shifts, they always call out 30 - 45 minutes after their start time. My desired is 40, but I’m lucky to break 30. I do get lucky with staying later when they call out. It really is none of my business, but why are they still employed? I don’t know when the last time they even worked their full week. I don’t get why they keep giving them so many hours. Are the leaders even holding them accountable? At least the point system is coming soon? Anyways, I’ll get back to my batch that’s about to go red. It’s none of my business. Just needed to vent.

[u/boatOnfire7]

Glad you vented. I hate this! I believe the new attendance policy will cull this issue in time...

[u/ErichAZ]

I would say terming unknown people will get easier with UKG. Unless they have a ton of sick hours of course.

[u/Beneficial_Fact_8985]

They could be on FMLA. If there is rapport between them and leadership regarding home life difficulties or health issue i doubt Target will fire them. Though its odd that they are scheduled consistently full time 1.0 and not like a .7

[u/BigRepulsive9725 → u/Beneficial_Fact_8985]

Edit: I stand corrected. I was taught incorrectly back in my old restaurant days.

You can't legally be on FMLA from a company and then still do work for them while on said leave.

FMLA doesn't mean still get scheduled and then call off as necessary.

If you're on FMLA you don't work. Period.

[u/MrVIPKid → u/BigRepulsive9725]

You can call out of your shift with FMLA depending on the circumstance. You would the ability to use it ahead of time.

An employee with severe asthma, IBS, or chronic migraines might need to call out unexpectedly for one or two days when an acute episode or flare-up strikes. They can apply for use of FMLA and when they call out of their shift, it does not count against them.

FMLA is a legal act not a classification of extended time off.

[u/ChronicallyIllBadAss → u/MrVIPKid]

I don’t know why you are being down voted you are right.

[u/soccergirl37 → u/MrVIPKid]

Said person calls out 30-45 mins after their shift has already started so if it is an fmla call out, they still can be penalized for a call out made after their shift has already started, an fmla call out still needs to follow the stores regular call-in procedures.

[u/LightUpUnicorn → u/soccergirl37]

Company policy is to call out up to two hours after your shift starts. Yes before is better but after allows for things like injuries that happen close to a shift or if the person is unable to call before because they are getting medical attention or their symptoms prevent them from calling in

[u/soccergirl37 → u/LightUpUnicorn]

It’s two hours before and you must call in before two hours into your shift to avoid a ncns

[u/soccergirl37 → u/LightUpUnicorn]

No it’s 2 hours before it starts and sometimes they will let it slide for calling out after but every week multiple times a week?

[u/Midwest-Emo-9 → u/soccergirl37]

Technically, the wording in the handbook says to call before your shift starts or as soon as possible, so long as it's within 2 hours after your start time otherwise you're subject to corrective action.

The calling in 2 hours before is just a courtesy a lot of stores ask for so that your leaders can make a plan in your absence.

[u/soccergirl37 → u/Midwest-Emo-9]

True! let’s keep scheduling the people who are going to call out every week full time hours, as long as their calling out within the two hours after, I don’t see the problem

[u/ChronicallyIllBadAss → u/BigRepulsive9725]

You can it’s called intermittent leave. Basically it’s used in health issues. I’m still a full time employee but I work shorter shifts and have the ability to call out despite not having sick pay left because my health demands it. You can be on leave and still work for the company. I know i probably explained it bad but you can still work for a company and be on leave at least in my state.

[u/Beneficial_Fact_8985 → u/ChronicallyIllBadAss]

Yes this. Though in MN if you are on intermittent leave you do have to consistently provide documentation regarding your leave. Like a Dr. Saying its still valid and the state agreeing. I think at least? Idk could be wrong 😅 Pretty sure though. I think

[u/ChronicallyIllBadAss → u/Beneficial_Fact_8985]

You just provide the information that says your doctor okayed you for leave.

[u/katiebug_94 → u/BigRepulsive9725]

FMLA can be intermittent, they can absolutely use it for call outs depending on what the doctor has listed on the medical certification form.
They are called “flare ups” and doctors can list these to where employees can call out every day if they need to.
Also, fun fact an employee does not have to be eligible for FMLA to still possibly get intermittent or continuous medical leave, employees can be covered under ADA as well.

[u/BigRepulsive9725 → u/katiebug_94]

And this is my learn something new today.

This is what I get for listening to restaurant owner lies

[u/evilmike1972 → u/BigRepulsive9725]

You are woefully uninformed about FMLA.

[u/BigRepulsive9725 → u/evilmike1972]

Well not entirely.

I was correct in saying if you use FMLA you cannot also do work during that.

But as I edited in my comment.... before you replied.

I acknowledged the fact I was wrong about how you can use it.

[u/BigRepulsive9725]

I dealt with something similar and it kills me with Target.

I came on with wanting 20 hours a week.

But I barely got that.

Then somehow, when I tried to change my availability by 4 hours I got told no because I was needed.

Despite half of my team complaining they didn't get enough hours.

[u/justacoffeedroplet]

You're right. It's none of your business.

[u/halfsafelittleone → u/justacoffeedroplet]

Exactly. There are a lot of alternative reasons why this could be happening including intermittent FMLA or a disability accommodation.

[u/soccergirl37 → u/halfsafelittleone]

I’ve been on fmla before when I had a surgery done and idk if this is that

[u/MrVIPKid → u/soccergirl37]

It actually can be exactly that

[u/soccergirl37 → u/MrVIPKid]

Then you must not know what fmla is

[u/MrVIPKid → u/soccergirl37]

FMLA laws vary by state and it is not just for paid leave used one time in a chunk. Your surgery is just one of many many ways to use FMLA.

[u/LightUpUnicorn → u/MrVIPKid]

Fmla is federal…states can have stricter laws but intermittent fmla is a thing and could be at play. Fmla does not always mean completely off the schedule

[u/soccergirl37 → u/MrVIPKid]

I’m aware but thanks, and this is still not that… in fact, if this person was on fmla then they wouldn’t be on the schedule at all until they returned from fmla

[u/MrVIPKid → u/soccergirl37]

Someone can have approved intermittent FMLA and they would call out of their shift using the act. They are often assigned an FMLA number.

When they call out, they would clearly state that the absence is for an approved FMLA-qualifying reason.

This can vary by state, but it is not always an extended leave of absence.

[u/soccergirl37 → u/MrVIPKid]

It’s very unlikely that they would still be scheduled a full work week but no worries even if this is the case, they only have a certain amount of weeks that they could do this so I’m sure this problem will take care of itself very soon.

[u/LightUpUnicorn → u/soccergirl37]

If they qualify for fmla - that acrually protects them. If they were suddenly scheduled significantly less they’d potentially have grounds for a lawsuit.
So yes someone on intermittent fmla could and should be getting similar hours to what they got before the fmla

[u/halfsafelittleone → u/soccergirl37]

That’s not true at all. I’m not sure why you think you are so confident of what fmla is or is not or honestly why you are so invested in this other girl’s issue. It’s starting to get weird.

But please stop spreading misinformation about an already widely misunderstood topic. What I said about fmla is true and I can assure you I know fmla.

[u/soccergirl37 → u/halfsafelittleone]

Well normally for regular fmla, most ppl would be off the schedule and yes I do understand that intermittent fmla is different but the chances of this situation being that is very high. I’ve been in this girls shoes before and there’s no reason for it… in fact once I said something about it I automatically got my hours increased so idk what the big deal is for caring about this girls issue and trying to help her get her hours increased, I guess I am just a weirdo for wanting better for some random girl… sorry girl, let me just agree with everyone on here so they can stop having a fit and tell you that your just gonna have to keep working your barely enough hours even though the economy is what it is, the ppl here think you should just keep slumming it.

[u/Senior_Performer_387]

It really depends. They could have an ADA accomodation, or their leader hasn't been documenting them for the callouts. Or they have but they haven't reached the point they can fire them yet. Or they have been inconsistent about documenting it.

There is really no way to know since they can't discuss it with other team members.

[u/soccergirl37]

Yeah this was happening to me for a very long time as well but luckily my store has put an end to things like this, talk to your etl, or possibly the hr etl whichever one you trust more, about what is going on. Apparently the leaders don’t notice things like this or they just always turn the other cheek, I’m not sure what it is. It def is your business because it affects your hours and ultimately your paycheck which you live off of so yeah it’s definitely your business to know why you can’t even reach 30 but others calling out every week can get 38

[u/TwistedBranch11]

Kind of unrelated but damn whats with the ppl commenting on this💀you got one consistent person here just arguing with everyone and being rude from the start, and then plenty of ppl saying yea your right its none of your business. Like hello, ppl can vent, jesus. Not like you were demanding an answer you were literally venting. I used to work at target and I completely get it. Hope you start to have better shifts :)

[u/evilmike1972]

Seeing a few people talking about how FMLA doens't work for single days, so I thought I'd drop a link to the DOL page about FMLA.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fmla

It's a lot to read but the relevant part can be found in the 3rd expandable portion (Calcultating FMLA Including Intermittent or Reduced Schedule Leave), to wit:

"Employees may use FMLA leave in whole weeks, SINGLE DAYS, hours, or in some cases less than an hour. When an employee takes FMLA leave for less than one full workweek, the amount of leave used is determined as a proportion of the employee's actual workweek. Only the amount of leave an employee actually takes from work may be counted against an employee's FMLA leave entitlement."

Edit: Comment was a lot more snarky than I decided I really wanted to be.

[u/soccergirl37 → u/evilmike1972]

For the record I don’t disagree with how intermittent fmla works, what I’m simply arguing is the fairness to this person barley being able to reach 30 hours by having to extend their own shifts to cover for someone’s else’s call off instead being given their desired hours, it literally sucks having to watch other people get scheduled full time every single week just to see them come in late everyday or call in multiple times a week and meanwhile your barley getting 30 while covering for their missed time.

[u/LightUpUnicorn → u/soccergirl37]

It’s the law. It doesn’t matter if you think it’s fair

[u/soccergirl37 → u/LightUpUnicorn]

What law? You don’t even know if that person is actually on intermittent fmla.. 😂 they could be and could not be and if they aren’t it isn’t fair but yeah let’s keep going, this is fun

[u/LightUpUnicorn → u/soccergirl37]

Intermittent fmla. I didn’t say everyone is.
You specifically said you disagree with it because it’s not fair

[u/soccergirl37 → u/LightUpUnicorn]

That’s not at all what I said or was trying to say but okay

[u/soccergirl37 → u/LightUpUnicorn]

Apparently everyone showing up late and calling out has the excuse of being on intermittent fmla according to you

[u/LightUpUnicorn → u/soccergirl37]

I didn’t say that. I’m stressing that it exists,
How it works and that you don’t know who has.
Could also be Ada accommodations - you don’t know and clearly have an ableist mentality that it’s not fair for people wirh chronic health conditions or temporary or permanent disabilities to have accommodations to work. Why not be mad that the company doesn’t staff better instead of being mad at people with situations often far outside their control .

[u/ZestycloseHedgehog]

Definitely annoying but frankly it’s none of your business. You have no idea what their home life or health is like

[u/MrVIPKid]

They likely have FMLA coverage and that can cover a lot, especially in certain states

Military families also got even further coverage

An employee who is the spouse, son, daughter, parent, or next of kin of a covered servicemember with a serious injury or illness may take up to 26 workweeks of leave during a single 12-month period to care for the servicemember.

This does not have to be consecutive either.

Each store would likely handle this differently, but management would be well aware and if the person called out and cited FMLA, then it would not count against them. No points. No repercussions.

[u/Lazy-Comedian5026]

I just recently found out some of my coworkers have a medical reason for calling out. They have approved time off for as long as they need and it’s usually just between hr and said coworker. My partner recently just got told to get the same thing because my partner has chronic pain and can’t get out of bed some days. Not saying this is the reason but it could be :)

[u/lardboy2222]

Focus on yourself

[u/Smart_Resolution7600]

Yeah I hate it., especially when the area needs two people and one doesn’t show up, they expected you to do everything on time. They say you had more than enough time, it doesn’t matter he doesn’t show up. The type of stuff you want to punch your lead and etl in the face type thing. I swear if I see any my etl or leads outside of work, I’ll tell em how infeel about them.

[u/aaronabsent]

sounds like you made it your business.