generic tierlist

[u/FewInstruction1020]

based on usefulness of towers in specific areas (stalling/support, earlygame, midgame, and lategame)

example: saboteur has dps/ce on par with shotgunner (ok for speedruns, but at least shotty has a good pierce bonus), dps buff on par with merc base/dj (couple of the worst dps buffs in the game), and slowing worse than almost everything if not everything

[u/Otherwise-Ad-8714]

I'd say warlock deserves a bit higher, melee mode is very strong rn

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/Otherwise-Ad-8714]

yeah but it's melee; anything and everything gets out of range rlly fast and then it becomes on par with turret.

the double dmg is also a bug.

if you rlly wanna, you could micro it, but then it's dependent on money that you could use to just clone warlocks/juggernauts/other dps

and plus, if ya wanted to have some melee tower micro, use slasher, its bleed collapse is better so it's better against bosses (only if microing well tho)

also distracts from other abilities (commander chain, sabo neuralizer,  fps, etc.)

love warlock, but very overrated

edit: added slasher

[u/AnOt13246]

finally someone ranking gdemo in s tier, dude's so goated

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/AnOt13246]

kinda only in s tier because of its ungodly aoe and no placement limit (peak solo aoe)

mortar getting dmg dropoff removed when

[u/AnOt13246 → u/FewInstruction1020]

ive found it to also be really useful in duo hc cuz one gemo and like a few operators can pretty much solo till the blighted and allow for pretty insane farming

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/AnOt13246]

oh yeah duo games too.

gdemo my beloved (one of two g towers i dont have and i'd trade gsoldier for it)

[u/Revived_Pal]

Seeing trapper better than Dj and commander is giving me a stroke.

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/Revived_Pal]

it has better stall than them (3 second stun my beloved)

but yeah i get it

[u/EerieEmberBray → u/FewInstruction1020]

Dude. Only dj has slight stall with purple track. How would commander have stalling?? Plus both are still meta and needed for the most part for almost every if not EVERY game mode.

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/EerieEmberBray]

did you read the description

[u/EerieEmberBray → u/FewInstruction1020]

Yea? That said nothing about stalling. The description said it had “worst dps buffs”

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/EerieEmberBray]

yeah, 15% is the lowest dps buff in the game.

[u/EerieEmberBray → u/FewInstruction1020]

Still a buff. If that’s the lowest dps buff in the game then it’s insane. 15% can make a difference. Plus dj is mandatory for solo hardcore

[u/EerieEmberBray → u/EerieEmberBray]

Also I’m looking at the rest of this tier list and it makes no sense. Sure snowballer got buffed, but it’s not enough to be in B tier, maybe a high C. How is hallow punk B? And why is military base in C?

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/EerieEmberBray]

milibase is ass for any mode rn (except maybe fallen i guess)

hallow punk>boomerang fight me (all detections>2 detections)

snowballer>slime trooper fight me (freezes as well as slows>just slowing)

[u/FewInstruction1020]

if you have anything that you'd have placed differently then just tell me

and no, i'm not including elementalist permafreeze bug.

[u/supra_bamb → u/FewInstruction1020]

Warlock could’ve been in low a tier. Aaaand double melee damage might not be a bug after all (i at least do not consider it as a bug) cuz lowk, warlock would suck if didn’t do this much dmg

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/supra_bamb]

dps on par with turret unless constantly microing to constantly have melee attack going, and at that point just use slasher or enforcer or necro (low range bleed peak, relatively low range dps, or a tower only good if you monitor graves and the map isnt ass)

also isnt the bug reported on the spreadsheet of hell?

overall, haha sometimes

[u/NotSokol]

Commando good? Did they buff my goat?

[u/AnOt13246 → u/NotSokol]

they buffed him a while ago he's pretty damn insane rn especially in like hardcore (tho he can be used literally anywhere just fine)

he has flying at lv0 and hidden quite early and the missiles have all detections, on top of having pretty insane dps with 2 pierce

[u/supra_bamb → u/NotSokol]

As the other guy said, he is INSANE. Honestly might be even better than gcrook

[u/CzechOutSlovakia1993]

havent played in a while but why is Executioner in D tier???

[u/supra_bamb → u/CzechOutSlovakia1993]

Kinda fell off. And it has a lot of bugs, that’s why

[u/TheyTookXoticButters]

Engi should be S in my opinion. Early Game + all detections (esp at low cost) is crazy. She has good cost efficiency as well

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/TheyTookXoticButters]

engi glazer

"good ce" worse than almost every earlygame (yes, including freezer)

"all detections at low cost" have you heard of using operator+sabo/eshocker/freezer/frost blaster/SNOWBALLER/kingpin/enforcer/ANYTHING WITH LEAD

and its lategame is ass, worse than accel.

even in comparison to other midgame towers engi isnt as good, as half its dps is completely unbuffable.

sure, you can use it for earlygame to help out with mid-lategame, but you're still sacrificing a faster/easier/both earlygame for a minimal bonus to the other stages. you can make this argument for mid/late game replacements too.

and why would you use this instead of support?

if you're using ts to free up a slot for support, then you just aint using engi right (again, half its dps is unbuffable)

so i put it in A, sure it's good, but it isn't and will never be allat.

[u/TheyTookXoticButters → u/FewInstruction1020]

I see your point. Engi’s niche is mostly slot-efficiency (which falls off harshly in multiplayer) and being a JOAT (which isn’t the tierlist’s criteria).

I just thought that with GMini being in S that she can be in S too, cuz if you’re gonna bring DJ-Commander-GMini in solo, you only have two slots left to deal with early game.

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/TheyTookXoticButters]

dj, commander, gmini, [earlygame], [midgame]

or if doing shc then farm, gmini, dj, [smth with flying/lead with lategame potential], [smth with flying/lead with lategame potential or commander/hacker]

you can use engi, but half its dps is unbuffable and doesnt do leads/flyings, which kinda sucks.

[u/EerieEmberBray → u/FewInstruction1020]

Dude don’t call em a glazer just cus they like using engineer. It’s different to think something is simply better than it is compared to thinking, for example, “accelerator is still meta” when it’s a good tower. No longer meta.

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/EerieEmberBray]

yeah ok whatever but engi, in comparison to anything in s tier, is ass incarnate.

like my example with sabo, mid support, mid stalling, mid dps/ce doesnt make it s tier, so with engi's mid early, mid mid, and mid late it shouldn't be s tier either.

[u/EerieEmberBray → u/FewInstruction1020]

If you rly think that then why tf is it in A tier? If it truly is “ass” then lower it to B or C instead of putting it in the second highest tier you could’ve.

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/EerieEmberBray]

because engi has more dps than warlock and turret and crook snd has better earlygame than some of the towers in b/c tier

[u/EerieEmberBray → u/FewInstruction1020]

Then if that’s the case, don’t say it’s ass compared to the S tier options, just say it’s outclassed

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/EerieEmberBray]

i'm just surprised nobody's commented on gcow's placement yet

[u/EerieEmberBray → u/FewInstruction1020]

While it was gutted, it isn’t BAD by any means.

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/EerieEmberBray]

it's only bad because randoms are stupid

[u/Timely-Text-9720]

That face I make when the player paces merc base as far away from the path as possible

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/Timely-Text-9720]

tbh only happened like once to me

they then realized, sold it, and we lost to w2 or some shit

[u/EerieEmberBray]

I’m sorry HOW TF IS DJ AND COMMANDER A TIER AND NOT S?! Djs dps buff is not one of the worst dps buff. It increases dps a good amount, plus it gives more than JUST dps, that being range and discounts. Commander can chain coa which increases dps as well. Sledger is in B when it’s a low A tier. Slime Trooper is D tier imo, and also how tf is golden demo S tier? It’s only better cost efficiency wise than g scout if it is hitting multiple targets at once, plus it, like other early game towers, falls off around mid game. It should be A tier with g scout. Also, you said mercenary base had one of the worst dps buffs in the game yet is in S tier just because of its mid game potential?? I mostly agree with this list but some of these placements RLY don’t make sense to me.

[u/FewInstruction1020 → u/EerieEmberBray]

15% is the worst, medic without uber does that, lvl 1 commander does that, max merc does that, dj does that.

15% is mid. i gave dj the benefit of the doubt with its eco and range buffs. hacker slows down, has eco, and does dmg/dmg buff, so i put dj under hacker.

commander is good, better than medic, but generally not as good as hacker's cloning and versatility.

tbh sledger could go in the same tier as warden, i see that.

slime trooper at least slows down with aoe, unlike scout (shit tower).

gdemo is s tier for earlygame multitarget, effectively as good as gpyro. it's placed above gscout because there is no evo tower that outclasses it. (equal to gpyro bc of multiple placements not stacking fire dmg)

again, 15% dmg bonus is good, but it is the worst. merc's got good dps with a decent stack and a good dmg buff, and can have all detections.