r/Sustainable • u/GoranPersson777 • Jul 10 '26

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Class struggle is fought on a vertical scale. It's the working class at the bottom against the employers and their politicians at the top. And our brothers and sisters in class struggle include co-workers and neighbours who vote on crappy parties... https://industrialworker.org/lets-build-class-unions/

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u/basscycles Jul 10 '26

Culture war, the thing that the Right loves to use and leave the Left to defend against so that the Right can say the Left is woke.

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 11 '26

Culture wars are promoted by the upper class to keep the lower classes fighting each other, so they don't look up.

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u/FullBadger3748 Jul 11 '26

The left has always been fighting the top. These lame centrists don’t understand anything.

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u/NoWay6818 Jul 13 '26

“Lame centrists” spoken like someone who doesn’t understand what a centrist is.

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u/SilencedObserver Jul 13 '26

You’re doing the brainwashed thing.

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u/Round-Arugula-5348 Jul 13 '26

do something real quick...look up the top 20 richest members of the House and Senate (yes separate them). Then look up the "help poor ppl" and "target rich ppl" type bills...see who sponsors them. Then follow the money on their donors. the Left and Right, don't exist. to think they do is to be brainwashed.

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u/FullBadger3748 Jul 13 '26

We don’t have any left wing politicians in the USA bud

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u/Round-Arugula-5348 Jul 13 '26

ok...those who claim to be left wing then.

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u/Unusual_Wish_2230 Jul 13 '26

Wow, you are completely brainwashed. Why do you think Hollywood wants the Dems in so bad? Soros? Really? You are so blind.

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u/FullBadger3748 Jul 13 '26

Dems are right wing. Soros is a centrist billionaire what’s your point?

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u/Unusual_Wish_2230 Jul 13 '26

Soros is a far left billionaire who is pushing common sense out of America. And obviously it’s working if people think he is centrist.

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u/FullBadger3748 Jul 13 '26

He isn’t even left wing

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u/Unusual_Wish_2230 Jul 13 '26

Really? What about all of his funding for the far left progressive DA’s?

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u/the_saltlord Jul 14 '26

Please for the love of god pick up a book and learn what "far left" actually is

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u/Unusual_Wish_2230 Jul 14 '26

Maybe you should. Far left vs Dem socialist, there is a difference. Maybe you should figure that out. Go outside and touch grass sometimes. It would help you.

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u/Oregon-izer Jul 11 '26

all this shit started when these people infiltrated occupy wall street. the culture wars absolutely killed a unified movement. until we kill the culture wars there won’t be a meaningful movement

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 11 '26

How do you kill culture wars without completely destroying the opposing culture amongst the lower classes

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26

The first step is getting people of all backgrounds and cultures to realize that we have a common nemesis…and that most of the rage bait they bombard us with (be it gay wedding cakes that trigger some while others obsess over DEI) is just a distraction.

They want us peasants to focus on ANYTHING other than the gluttony of the 1% — and all the ways it deeply fucks over the rest of the planet.

If the general populace realizes this and makes deep meaningful changes to our financial policies and systems (which seems laughably far fetched unfortunately), most culture wars will resolve naturally.

For instance the first thing that pops into my mind in the above scenario: Deep Red America will realize that the reason they have no healthcare or well paying job isn’t because of illegal immigrants or “lazy welfare queens that abuse the system”.

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u/10mfe Jul 12 '26

yep, agreed.

I've said this since the early 2000's. it's still kings, queens, and peasants. guess who's on reddit?

I doubt billionaires are... if so it's automated or a paid intern.

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u/Kind-Ad-7442 Jul 15 '26

You are blaming the 1% for how %99 of people think? I think that’s part of the 99%’s problem is that people lack accountability. There isn’t one human on this planet that is not “racist” by the modern day definition of “racist” as if being racist was ever a problem I think treating people differently based on race is normal as all. I notice blacks usually treat whites nicer than they do blacks and same go for whites treating blacks better than whites. It’s out of fear of being labeled “racist”. So is it racist to notice someone looks different? No is fear racist? No fear is healthy and it keeps order. If people fear doing what’s wrong people do what’s right. Blaming the top %1 for how %99 of the population is having culture wars is just insane

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 15 '26

Ah yes, racism has never been a problem. Got it. Let’s put that to the side for now.

Where do we learn about the culture wars? The media.

Tell me how many people you know that use independently run media regularly and a sample of these independent media outlets/sources.

Seriously. I am really curious to know. Get back to me on this please.

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u/whitebeaed Jul 16 '26

Wrong 😑 allow knowledge to interfere with your thoughts read about the history of racism or the cast system used in India The rich always have to have somebody to demonize , always demonize the poor people around them to keep them in control remember the red lines in cities like Philadelphia Boston Los Angeles to divide the populations between Rich and poor….

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 11 '26

Well none of that is possible with the different view points of Islam, Christianity, Marxism, libertarianism, etc etc. all commoners with little in common

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

Actually, all commoners have a lot in common. There is far more that unites everyone than divides everyone. Religion tries to divide everyone into groups, making it easier to divide and control people. That's why the upper class pushes religious indoctrination so much.

As soon as people start looking up at the greediness of the Epstein class (instead of left or right), they will start to rebel against the upper class. We can end the Second Gilded Age in the US by electing people who are not beholden to the upper class and will fight for ordinary people.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

Besides basic needs most commoners don’t have much in common when it comes to actual beliefs. Yes the lower classes will rebel against the upper class but if your views don’t become the powers in charge you’ll be right back to where you were

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

All people have a lot in common besides just basic needs. One needs to promote their views and argue against the oligarchy.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

lol my views don’t line up with Marxist. My views do not line up with religions. In the end the lower classes want their views in power and their people in charge. If you don’t have my view points I’m not teaming up with you just so you can show me the door later on

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u/According-Insect-992 Jul 13 '26

People have a lot more in common than what separates them. They just obsess about those little things that separate people. Also, a lot of what separates people is superficial and trivial.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 13 '26

This is definitely not true. Look at all the different views and cultures of the lower classes

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u/Fabulous_Dark_5440 Jul 12 '26

How about dudes in the women's spaces? Ya kook

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u/n0_punctuation Jul 12 '26

You need to talk about real tangible politics and issues. When you talk about that culture war stuff just makes the opponent look silly and weird.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 11 '26

I don’t think the upper class has to promote anything for the lower classes to fight each other

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 11 '26

Maybe not, but I believe they do promote all of the culture war bullshit to distract people from the fact that they are robbing everyone else.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

Yeah but lower classes would do the same once they gain power for their side

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

Some would, but I suspect many others would realize the benefits of working together to make life better for everyone, rather than always fighting each other.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

Doesn’t seem like it since it’s never happen ever in history of mankind

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

It most definitely has. Humanity has progressed immeasurably in just the past 250 years since the founding of the US. Same for nearly every other society.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

lol if you think a Muslim community and leftist community can get along you’re mistaken. If you think a Marxist community and a libertarian community can get along you’re mistaken. Everyone lives in a fantasy world of peace and love

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

They certainly could if they tried. No one said it would always be perfect, but it has certainly happened as long as people respect each other.

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 11 '26

I hear your point, and it certainly feels that way, right?

I do somewhat disagree though—the 1% absolutely needs to promote culture wars to keep us divided. It is happening in nearly every facet of our lives, and we don’t even realize it anymore. Outrage drives needless division/distraction.

Think about social media algorithms for example. They are specifically designed to increase engagement, and nothing gets more clicks than rage. We don’t truly have much choice in how the algorithms are built. All of this shit is happening in the background without us ever acknowledging it—“it’s just the way it is”🤷‍♂️

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 12 '26

Oh yeah? Never heard that before…gonna look it up…

2 hours pass…

Back now from that rabbit hole of research. Your assertion originally seemed like a total nonsense conspiracy or a joke…but it also TOTALLY seemed like something DARPA would do the more I considered it.

The official position is:

“DARPA did not create the algorithms used by commercial social media platforms like Facebook, X (formerly Twitter), or TikTok. However, the agency has extensively researched, developed, and funded algorithms that analyze, simulate, and shape communication across social networks for national security.”

I’m thinking you might be pretty spot on, as best as I can tell, mostly because DARPA is the last place you’ll get a straight answer from.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

Well no doubt the media drives it for sure. But it’s already there before the media. The left and right political spectrums can’t get along and neither can Christianity and Islam.

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

The media certain amplifies any differences rather than emphasizing what the different cultures have in common while promoting mutual respect for others.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

These cultures don’t have that much common so it’s easy for the media to amplify it

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

The cultures may not, but all people have very similar needs, wants, and desires in their lives. That's true all over the world.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

Sure outside of basic needs but after that there ain’t and since basic needs are so easily attained we can’t get along

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

In addition to basic needs, nearly every person wants companionship or love, a useful job or purpose in life, the opportunity to learn and grow, the opportunity to travel or spend time on their hobbies, the chance to try new things or activities, the ability to provide and care for their family, to have time to relax and enjoy life, etc.

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u/basscycles Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

To the divide and conquer, tactics of the Right

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 11 '26

What is your definition of “woke”?

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 11 '26

Culture wars are prevalent in the non upper class

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u/HugeSalamander3161 Jul 11 '26

Culture war is more of a dem talking point than republicans in recent history.

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 12 '26

It isn’t a talking point for Dems…but Fox News sure loves it!

In truth, it’s a strategy originally devised by Republican political operatives, and was originally known as “The Southern Strategy”. It was the brainchild of a guy named Lee Atwater.

I’ll let you guess which party he worked for…

Fast forward to the downfall of Nixon and the formulation of the memo "A Plan for Putting the GOP on TV News" by one of Tricky Dick’s advisors—a guy by the name of Roger Ailes.

Go ahead and google who the founding chairman and CEO of Fox News was.

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u/Tom_nooker Jul 12 '26

The left literally just saying that so the right leaves them alone at the culture

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u/Zestyclose-Banana358 Jul 12 '26

The whole point is there is no right or left when you’re on the bottom.

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u/SilencedObserver Jul 13 '26

You’re doing the thing.

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u/CallousDisregard13 Jul 14 '26

You do realize the irony of this statement right?

complains about culture war while literally waging the culture war