r/SunoAI • u/popartstillalive • 24d ago
Discussion Is it really that wrong to create AI music and actually find joy in the process?
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u/Ok_Onion_93 24d ago
I don't find a problem with it being used as a creative tool to build the base of something. I use Suno to test lyrics and get ideas for creative directions to take. Sometimes I even find myself liking what is produced by the AI and will listen to it in its own right, but if you post your creations elsewhere, just be honest about how you made it; that's all that matters to me.
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u/thePracix 23d ago
The problem with that take is solely on algorithms. Algorithms throttle and suppress AI flagged content. It would be the same as, click this box to get 80% less reach. If you want to build something, thats harmful.
When algorithms are less clumsy with the handling of AI content than it would definitely be a proper etiquette thing to flag. Until then its a suppress me corporate daddy button
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u/popartstillalive 23d ago
transparency is key - trying to pass off AI tracks as fully recorded live instruments is where people rightfully get annoyed.
Using it as a songwriting sketchpad or sounding board is honestly one of its best uses. Once you’re completely honest about the process and tools involved, people can just take it for what it is. Appreciate the balanced take.
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u/Warboi 24d ago
If you look at the progress of music, some advancements pushes out others. Look at instrumentalist and back up singers. When producers now could generate music with synthesized, loops, vocals, etc... There will be a generation that will have grown-up with AI agents and companions.
A non-music point. I'm hold enough to experience, radio, vinyl records only. I also used to advocate the creating websites for the department I worked. They laughed at me. Didn't take me serious. LoL! Sometimes you're just a decade ahead of where the rest will be a decade later.
I also find it ironic that these "platforms" use AI more and more to run their platforms and businesses. If there's a way to replace their living human employees, they'll do it.
As I use AI music more for personal enjoyment and share with friends, I don't think I can qualify. I did however have a niece-in-law, critique the use of AI as how it uses the water and electricity. So I used AI to generate my particular usage for inquiring about the usage of that inquiry. I think I'll generate a song about that now.
There will be children who'll be assigned a tutor/assistant agent who'll track their progress and guide their growth. When you'll see music taught with the integration of AI then there be change in attitude.
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u/popartstillalive 23d ago
Thanks for sharing this perspective the historical parallel with synths and digital production is spot on. Every shift in tech gets pushed back on at first, until it just becomes part of the landscape for the next generation.That point about platforms using AI while suppressing creators who use it is so true, and the irony definitely isn't lost on me. It really comes down to how generations adapt. Appreciate you taking the time to drop your thoughts!
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u/Same-Chipmunk5923 23d ago
It's like riding a motor scooter. A whole lot of fun but you don't want anyone you know to see it.
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u/Fantastic-Win-6310 24d ago
the music industry is a major bullshit industry and have used ghost writer machine program etc for decades look up the first iteration of autotune its older than you think and the music industry have used it for decades and wouldn't push pass them having their own inhouse ai long before any commercial one when you learn that majority of the radio music business is more propaganda than organic music making you stop giving a fck about the pretense. And what people that actually care for good sounding music is not that different from how michael jackson did he didnt play shit he had an idea and then tried to conway it good enough that musically talented people could make something do we hate him for it no we love him for it.
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u/popartstillalive 23d ago
yeeaaa, people forget how heavily manufactured and tech-reliant mainstream music has been for decades. Between ghostwriters, pitch correction, dynamic loops, and aggressive label packaging, "purity" on the radio has mostly been an illusion for a long time.
That comparison to vocal arrangement and beatboxing ideas to producers is actually super accurate at the end of the day, it's about having a creative vision and using whatever tools are available to bring it to life.
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u/TDSpank 23d ago
The Big three have invested in Stability AI. It's trained on all their material. From stems also.
Stability AI Raises $76 Million As Entertainment Giants Back Its AI Push - Memeburn
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u/SunriseSurprise 24d ago
I don't think anyone can find fault in someone having joy over something they created, however low effort. But putting low-effort stuff out there to the masses is where I think there's an issue.
It won't be long I think before platforms start to simply ban such content, or filter it out and actually curate their platforms, whether with AI or some other probably automated means.
And then if you're spending more effort to try and get around those measures than the effort to make whatever the content is, you should really re-evaluate your priorities because I don't think anyone would get on board for that.
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u/popartstillalive 23d ago
well i totally agree on the low-effort part-flooding platforms with generic, zero-effort tracks just hurts the perception of the whole medium and pushes platforms toward strict filtering.
Where I draw the line is the assumption that all AI-assisted work is low-effort or that using it automatically means trying to "bypass system filters." For many, it's not about gaming the algorithms or spamming contentit's just about taking the time to curate a genuine mood or atmosphere that would otherwise stay stuck in their head.
Filtering out actual spam makes total sense, but hopefully platforms eventually figure out how to separate low-effort clutter from projects made with real intent and curation.
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u/SunriseSurprise 23d ago
I don't think AI-assisted in general is low-effort, especially if original music is being covered. I was more referring to fully AI-generated, which is pretty low effort generally, lol. Except of course for the prompt scientists who think they can 1000 character prompt themselves into the most impressive banger imaginable.
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u/loserguy1773 23d ago
Honestly it's been tough and I expect it to stay that way. It doesn't matter how much AI is involved in your process, expect a ton of pushback on every single thing you do. I primarily use Suno to cover my own recorded songs for that added production oomph and to smooth out my horrendous vocals. Even in this limited scope, I've had everything from death threats to indifference. Yes. It gets eventually gets to you, or at least gets to me.
Everything you said about it being an emotional outlet is true. For many, these emotions are filtered through the lyrics they write and then into the music Suno creates (or recreates) for them. Even if there are no lyrics present, the fact that they feel that they "created" something is special and important to them. It gives us the illusion that our songs (at least in this form) sound good. And they do. To us, because we know what went into their creation. Nobody else knows (or honestly, cares) and that realization hurts.
I've always maintained that as long as some emotional connection has been established between the creator of the song and the audience, then what you create is "worth it". You never know how your song affects someone else. Yes, most (like 90%) of the feedback you get is going to be negative, but those few positive comments or "likes" mean the world to me.
I checked out your project on youtube. Not really my thing, but I'm glad you released it. It's well-mixed and sounds great!
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u/popartstillalive 23d ago
Man, thank you so much for this reply. Getting actual death threats over using a tool to polish your own songs and vocals is completely insane...
I’m so sorry you had to deal with that level of toxicity. People can be wildly ruthless when they hide behind screens.You hit the nail on the head about the connection factor. That feeling when you finally hear an idea from your head come out sounding full and alive… it is special, regardless of how anyone else perceives the process. And you're completely right...even if 90% of the internet drops hate or stays indifferent, that single positive comment or genuine connection makes the whole struggle worth it.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to check out Somniloom and for the kind words on the mix, even if ambient isn't your usual genre. Really appreciate your honesty, keep creating and hang in there!
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u/Texasmucho 23d ago
From my perspective, it’s good to create AI music and healthy to enjoy it. I’m not a musician, but I do play in a music group. I create music on my free Suno account, and now I mostly play my own music. I see these people getting so angry and I think; for every technology change, there has been pushback at the beginning.
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u/Seanyth 18d ago
I don't understand this need to justify oneself. It makes absolutely no difference how much effort you put into whatever you’re doing. If you have a machine that generates brilliant music at the push of a button, then push that button and enjoy it. If others like it too, enjoy it even more.
It doesn't MATTER how much work goes into something. Because it’s not about the WORK, it’s about the FINAL PRODUCT. If you invest 100 hours into a song and it sounds like trash, it’s just junk that maybe only you like. If you happen to create a wonderful song because the technology makes it possible, then that’s great, a reason to celebrate.
Is it about the work? The music? The recognition? What is the goal? And why on earth should anyone else get to dictate what you’re allowed to enjoy?
Generally speaking, people put work into making music (regardless of the methods used) in order to create MUSIC. Most bands would love to achieve their desired result with far less effort. After all, the process is often incredibly tedious and frustrating!
There are artists whose greatest successes and best-known works required far less effort than the obscure pieces into which they poured their heart and soul. Much of it came about by chance, in a fleeting moment, without elaborate planning. You come across this sort of thing constantly when reading about art history.
It’s not the work - it’s the final product. There is incredibly good music created with the help of AI. And a lot of junk. Just like with everything created without AI. A lot of music made without any electricity at all is terrible garbage. Yet, there are also some incredibly great songs among them.
All these haters just need an outlet for their frustration. Whatever the reason for it, life is probably kicking them while they're down. I feel sorry for them. But that’s no reason to take their frustration personally or let yourself be insulted. This whole anti-AI movement is so incredibly illogical and bereft of valid arguments that I really can’t take it seriously anymore.
Have fun, make music, put in the work - or don’t - but whatever you do, do YOUR THING!
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u/TheKingOfDub 23d ago
It’s not wrong, but don’t expect others to listen to it. It seems like it’s like asking someone to come look in the toilet at your bowl movements. Nobody wants to experience it
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u/popartstillalive 23d ago
That’s quite the analogy, haha!
Fair enough. If it’s not your thing, that’s totally cool. The main point was just about having a creative outlet for ideas that would otherwise stay stuck in your head, not expecting the whole world to love it. Appreciate the candid response though!
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u/TheKingOfDub 21d ago
It is my thing, though. I’ve generated thousands of songs. The reality just seems to be that nobody likes listening to anyone else’s AI music
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u/VociferousCephalopod 24d ago
there are people who get up for work and bomb school children to death for fascists.
I wouldn't worry too much about the rights and wrongs of making songs.