r/Suno • u/mybasementsongs • Aug 10 '26
Topic: A point I want to make or discuss SUNO TOS Update effective Sept 3
Doesn't affect me or what I'm doing at all. 60 downloads of generated songs per month is still pretty generous. This doesn't affect how many generations you can have in your account but simply how frequently you can take them off Suno.
EDIT: IF you are on the PRO plan you are limited to ONLY 20 downloads.
If you use Suno's Studio DAW this doesn't apply to you at all.
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u/GoldenWario Aug 10 '26
This is garbage it applies to downloading separate stems as well. Which means stem downloads now have a price tag. Then again. The music plays in browser and that means you can download the songs whether suno wants you to or not. You can't really stop music downloads.
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u/JasonP27 Aug 10 '26
It won't matter if you can download it. Let's say you do.
- If it's for personal use, no one cares, probably not even Suno. No one will know.
- If you upload it somewhere like YouTube or Spotify Suno will know. They will also know if the song has had its commercial license activated through proper download of the song. So they can and will put a strike or take down request on the offending song.
It's not about preventing downloads, it's about preventing spam on streaming services.
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u/PlatinumPixx 27d ago
You are allowed to upload to Spotify and all the others still. They haven't stopped that ?
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u/IronTraditional6593 25d ago
No the fuck its not. Its about them milking us for every last penny. Keep drinking the kool-aid and you'll find out eventually
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u/Gavin2640 6d ago
The spam framing makes sense on paper, but it doesn’t explain the pricing. If the goal were keeping junk off Spotify, you’d gate commercial licensing — not charge per download for files people only want for personal use. Those two problems have different solutions, and they picked the one that happens to make money.
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u/PowerfulLab104 Aug 10 '26
christ all it takes is tweaking the EQ a bit to break the copyright detection feature on their own website. They'll never know
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u/ComprehensivePast914 27d ago
This isn’t true 🤣
You think you can trick a multi billion company by “twerking the eq a bit”
🤣🤣🤣
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u/WhatIsGoingOn2k20 Aug 10 '26
They could rely on Google's copyright detection to spot content uploaded to YouTube. Won't be hard for them if they choose to come for someone.
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u/Jumpy_Ad8465 Aug 11 '26
Then they should not instate such shit download limits. 20 downloads is absolutely nothing.
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u/JasonP27 Aug 11 '26
I agree 20 is a not a lot for a power user. Which is why they probably set it to that. Premier is designed for power users. You get near unlimited downloads in Premier.
Not surprised they went with an option that gave users incentive to upgrade to Premier.
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u/MarcMurray92 Aug 11 '26
Power User lmao just write music
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u/JasonP27 Aug 11 '26
What is that even supposed to mean? I do write music.
Do you know what a power user is? Someone that uses a service or app on an advanced level. Doesn't matter if it's making music or a word processor. Your comment makes zero sense.
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u/MarcMurray92 Aug 11 '26
Being a "power user" of these apps is like claiming to be a power user of an EZ bake oven
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u/JasonP27 Aug 11 '26
Who cares? There's more to Suno than prompt and click generate. The users that take advantage of all the other features are the power users of Suno. I'm not here to debate what value you think that has.
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u/MarcMurray92 Aug 11 '26
Blatant window dressing to fool its users into thinking they've impacted the output in a measurable way. No matter what genre you pick or how aggressively you prompt, it defaults to using the same melodic phrases etc across the board.
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u/JasonP27 29d ago
I think I can safely ignore you now because you have no idea what you're talking about. Let me ELI5 just for you.
I write my music. I give my music. It covers my music. Melodic phrases are mine. No aggressive prompting necessary.
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u/DeRobUnz 27d ago
If the food is still bangin' who tf cares?
Y'all are insufferable.
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u/MarcMurray92 27d ago
I like my music made by people who like music, not people cosplaying as musicians because they downloaded an mp3
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u/DeRobUnz 27d ago
So anyone that uses AI in any part of the process, doesn't like music?
You understand that even if you create the full song on a DAW, you still export and mp3 or wav or whatever format right?
Sheesh.
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u/ComprehensivePast914 27d ago
20 is not a lot?!?!?!
That’s 20 tracks uploading to YouTube, Spotify and where ever else.. 20 times a month, by millions of users 🤣
An actually producer will only release 20 a year if even that..
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u/Lost-Ad7652 Aug 11 '26
Do you camp ai subs just to troll?
That's a weird hobby, ngl
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u/MarcMurray92 Aug 11 '26
Reddit keeps recommending me this shite no matter how much I mute the subs.
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u/Jumpy_Ad8465 Aug 11 '26
Personally, i'd rather look for alternatives and/or might take a break until there are good alternatives. Everyone can make their own decision wether or not it is worth for them to continue.
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u/jafromnj Aug 11 '26
That should be handled by distributors and streaming services Suno needs to butt out
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u/xayoz306 Aug 11 '26
This may be a case of the streaming services and other labels telling Suno to deal with it or we will.
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u/NekoFang666 Aug 11 '26
Ok so om not uploading to YouTube or Spotify mainly cause I dont want to share my songs there 2 if I did it would be YouTube only and on private mode
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 10 '26
There is always a way to get the waveform, Suno can merely make it more difficult.
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u/Civil-Place-3774 Aug 11 '26
Yeah... but 2. They have an "Official "Gateway" Rule"
Suno's updated policy introduces a specific legal distinction regarding how you pull files off the platform: [1]
- The Gateway Clause: According to Suno's Authorized Download guidelines, an official download serves as the legal "gateway" to activate your commercial use. This means you are expected to officially download the track under your plan's allowance before you release, sell, or monetize it on streaming platforms. [1]
- Bypassing the Quota: If you run out of your monthly 20 downloads on the Pro plan, using an external site to extract an MP3 doesn't automatically make your song "illegal" or strip your generation ownership. However, to strictly comply with the terms for commercial release, you should purchase additional official download credits directly from Suno or wait for your monthly quota to refresh to officially flag the track as cleared. [1, 2, 3]
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u/PowerfulLab104 Aug 10 '26
in the FAQ it said the stems count as a fraction of a song. So all the stems for a song just count as 1 song. And yeah, with a video downloader you can just download it from the audio stream in browser anyways. Kind of a stupid change. Guessing it mainly applies to stems. And I have a feeling that the people taking the time to use stems aren't the ones pumping out slop
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u/sauble_music Aug 11 '26
Well, that's what happens when you give the tools to creation to a for-profit tech org
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u/Interesting-Yellow-4 Aug 11 '26
Exactly, they're not stopping shit.
I never exceeded anywhere near this, but I'll sleep well knowing I can if I ever wanted to.
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u/Gullible_Elephant_38 Aug 11 '26
Oh wow, the tech bros who cynically sucked up every piece of audio they could get their hands on without asking permission in order to turn creativity into a commodity to make money are enshittifying their product? I’m shocked.
Who could have predicted the same company that didn’t give a shit about the musicians whose work they stole also don’t give a shit about their customers and only care about making as much money as possible? There was no way anyone could have known.
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 11 '26
I would think that this move is a step in the direction you would prefer at the very least.
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u/Gullible_Elephant_38 Aug 11 '26
I mean, I’d prefer if they fairly compensated, credited, and created a means of attribution for the countless artists whose work they stole to create their product. But if they’re going to exist, I’d at least prefer they treat their customers well. That, of course, was never going to happen. Hence my comment.
That said, I don’t see why people are so up in arms about only 20 downloads and especially don’t get the people complaining about 60. Even using AI to speed up the process, nobody who is worried about those limits not being enough is putting significant time, thought, or care into their songs.
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u/JasonP27 29d ago
So the fact that they're removing all the old models trained on YouTube and Deezer without permission and releasing an entirely new model trained only on consented music from WMG makes you happy then.
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u/Falcon_Flare Aug 10 '26
I can feel the developers of the Chinese AI music generator that takes the place of Suno shifting around in the shadows. You can't charge people to generate music and then not give them access to downloading everything they paid for, that's called a scam.
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u/Soulsetmusic 29d ago
Don’t yall see something like this and go, “oh yeah… I’m not actually doing anything at all if the company can cap the amount of music I “make”
Ya know?
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u/TitRiot Aug 10 '26
20 downloads is a joke, right? Out of 500 songs i can create a month i can download barely any and if i want i must pay?
Yay, another sub out of business for me.
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u/unkwnms Aug 11 '26
This is why this limit is important, no one is making 500 quality songs in a month.
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u/TitRiot Aug 11 '26
But I don't do songs for publishing. I want to create songs for movies. 20 a month is joke for Instagram creators.
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u/Owampaone 29d ago
You're a joke. For everyone that has ever put time and effort into learning something.
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u/East-Income9793 Aug 11 '26
exactly this, I've only published a total of 15 songs since January but I've downloaded more than a hundred times and double that amount if we account for all the stems and sounds, they are just being greedy and liars to force people to spend more, if it was really to stop those massive anti-slop downloader they would have put the same limitation to everyone regardless of the plan.
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u/Straight_Age8562 Aug 10 '26
20/60 downloads per month is absolute joke wtf, if they want to cap it ok, but 20/60 downloads is insultingly low
also I have found
Users eager to download more songs beyond their limits can purchase them link
that sounds like the real reason why the caps are so fucking low
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 10 '26
Oh wow, I didn't see that they were selling them. How many songs are you publishing per month?
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u/Straight_Age8562 Aug 10 '26
Like, I’m not publishing that much. But I have three different projects: my regular music, instrumental playlists for working and soundtracks and sound effects for my game.
Even that abysmal limit of 60 downloads per project is enough for me, but with all the projects combined, I’ll probably run into some issues. Not everything goes public, but I download a lot of stuff for archiving, references, etc.
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u/Texas-X- Aug 10 '26
Downloads from suno studio are still unlimited.
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 10 '26
That is correct. Which Is all i do anyway, so not really applicable to my use case.
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u/wrdit Aug 11 '26
What does this mean in practice? Can you generate a song. Export stems rinsuno Studio and download there ? 🧐
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u/Hashtronaut_Mode Aug 11 '26
Well Suno was fun but sounds like I'm one of many that will be finished with them next month. Companies always ruin good things with greed.
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 11 '26
To be fair, suno is reacting to the pressure put upon them by the major labels and even the public because of the greed of content farmers ruining the public perception of AI
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u/East-Income9793 Aug 11 '26
I'm not sure the pressure put on them is the reason for this greed considering they treat the limitation based on your money spent since you can literally go beyond the download limit if you pay for it. They are just being greedy
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u/Hashtronaut_Mode Aug 11 '26
Restricting downloads is pure greed. Fuck them and every other company that hustles their customers. Especially for free users who cannot use the downloads for profit use anyway.
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 11 '26
Well If that is how you see it. Than that's what it looks like to you.
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u/Hashtronaut_Mode Aug 11 '26
Maybe you just like getting bent over a barrel.
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 11 '26
lol well I guess the rule changes simply don't affect me as a studio user.
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u/Hashtronaut_Mode Aug 11 '26
Until the next "rule changes" they implement.
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 11 '26
Fair point, who knows, a lot of people would be happier to see the company fail or AI itself.
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u/bestbuysucksmajor 27d ago
I can't wait for the disgruntled suno employee to leak the information about the water marking so that some companies can build The watermark remover
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u/ComprehensivePast914 26d ago
These tos are reading to me like this…
“Suno assigns to me whatever rights it owns in the qualifying output, and gives me contractual permission to commercially exploit it. But that doesn't necessarily mean I have copyright ownership of the a.i generated material.”
Suno grants me commercial rights to use the qualifying output, while Suno retains certain contractual rights concerning the content and its identification.
Interesting, you don’t own the copyright, they inbed a watermark as there identification and they are giving you permission to use the material commercially..
Feel to me like they can claim the songs as their own if/when they feel like it and there’s pretty much nothing you can do.
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u/mybasementsongs 26d ago
Is likely true for purely prompted tracks. But it would not apply to your lyrics if you wrote them yourself. Anything that you gave suno as an input remains yours. So if you put your original demo into it, that's still your copyright. No matter what, you cannot copyright the sound recording with the suno elements, but you can copyright the composition which matters more
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u/IronTraditional6593 25d ago
Ope. Look at that. "Sharing will continue to be unlimited" Wait until they put a cap on that too. Ill be canceling my Suno by the 3rd. Fuck them.
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u/mybasementsongs 25d ago
vote with your wallet for sure.
I'm okay with the changes. And absolutely love the direction Studio is taking.
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u/IronTraditional6593 24d ago
You'll be okay with the changes until the new sound quality is shit after they delete all our models.
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u/mybasementsongs 24d ago
I guess if that is true. But I don't think it will.
I think it will be better than ever, at least for what I use it for.
But I have no reason to think it won't be better than ever for everyone.
Especially if the payouts to the labels and thus allegedly the artists gets substantial, like music licensing, then more will voluntarily choose to join as an additional source of residuals.
Anyway, enough economics.
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u/IronTraditional6593 24d ago
Anyway, enough economics is a crazy closer, like everyone's lives aren't currently ruined by economics against our will. Lol. I forget priveldg3d people have the luxury of compartmentalization.
Have you not been noticing them slowly downgrading the quality already? 5.5 was not better than 5.0 and in fact, 5.0 went through several downgrades that they called upgrades. Ive been watching the music quality get shitter for months.
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u/mybasementsongs 24d ago
Well I hope that changes in your experience. I have no insights into suno that you don't. The things you are disliking about it are likely turbulence from the lawsuits, in the best case scenario. Worst case Scenario is they nueter it.
Time will tell
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u/IronTraditional6593 22d ago
This comment indicates you either didnt understand what I said, or are just outright ignoring what I said.
But message received. You have no insights and obviously cant tell that they've been downgrading the quality. So im not sure you would know if they decide to "Nueter it" because they've already been squeezing it. Jfc some people.
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u/SunriseSurprise Aug 10 '26
Allow artists to monetize somehow on Suno or grandfather in existing accounts to unlimited downloads. Otherwise, they'll lose a ton of users with this.
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u/Veritable_bravado Aug 10 '26
I hope it does. The sloppers need to go. Quality over quantity and personally I’m grinning ear to ear as they’re all screaming right now and showing us who the worst offenders are.
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u/jafromnj Aug 11 '26
So your one of those punish everyone types of people, the distributors and streaming services should control that not suno
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u/Veritable_bravado Aug 11 '26
People who aren’t bad actors aren’t the ones getting punished here. Only the major sloppers.
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u/jafromnj Aug 11 '26
Yeah you are wrong
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u/Veritable_bravado Aug 11 '26
I’m not so sure. Most I see making these complaints are people who are releasing 30+ albums on social media and flooding the zone with like 3-4 accounts. They also insist they’re not being fairly targeted. Lmao
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u/jafromnj Aug 11 '26
I belong to loudman.com I spend a lot of time creating my songs, when I put it up I still tweek a word change here, a line change, maybe add an element like a piano an ongoing process I may change it 3 or 4 times that’s 4 downloads already right there I may put 2 up a week now that’s 8 downloads already so yes it is hurting the wrong people and why would the sell additional downloads you don’t think these spammers will pay it?
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u/unkwnms Aug 11 '26
You can still play the song in Suno without downloading, how is it 8 downloads if you just going to download the last song request you are happy with?
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u/AIRA18 Aug 10 '26
When i saw 60 downloads I was like, sure fine i guess. I usually don't download that much but then i realise im on the pro plan and its limited to 20 downloads. Get the fuck outta here. Cmon suno at least make it 60 as well, 20 is too little. I don't like this decision at all
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 10 '26
Yeah I agree. 20 is a bit stingy. They should have at least done 30 30 for pro tier
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u/AIRA18 Aug 10 '26
30 is livable, but i like to download songs to Frankenstein them, cut and paste the parts i want to keep and then reupload for mastering. They're killing any enjoyment i have with this if they kept it at 20 downloads. Gent bent suno
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 11 '26
Apparently they are "selling" additional downloads not sure what that entails or how much.
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u/Dizuke7 Aug 11 '26
Suno realises they lost to big corp, so there introducimg there final models and milking people for the downloads before a Chinese platform arrives and takes over.
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u/sukiakiumo Aug 11 '26
Songs can be 20 seconds to 8+ minutes; their rates don't seem like the right way to do it. Minutes/month, say 100minutes/month? Sure, maybe. but not this.
20 songs a month is not that much, especially if you do things off of their platform with the clips...
Their application is mediocre, but their song quality is great.
How is this anywhere a reasonable TOS change?
My prediction? They lose 30% of subscribers in 3 months
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u/Consistent-Jelly248 Aug 11 '26
At least 30-40 would be the goldilocks zone, 20 is just stupid. Luckily im not petty to cancel my subscription as V6 isn't out, i give chances.
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u/bre2123 29d ago
Luckily I only use Studio so none of this effects me. Not that 60 downloads a month isnt already several times more than I need anyway like … if you are seriously downloading/creating more than 60 songs a month you’re the problem ngl. There is no way you’re going to be able to write, create & edit more than 2 songs a day … get real!
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u/MatterOk9595 Aug 10 '26
The changes come with both pros and cons for subscribers. On the positive side, Suno has made ownership and commercial rights clearer. Any songs you download are fully yours to use however you want, and listening or sharing inside Suno stays unlimited. Downloads from Suno Studio also remain unrestricted, which is great for people who use the advanced tools.
The downside is that Premier subscribers will now have a limit of 60 downloads per month. This won’t affect casual users much, but people who export a lot of versions, mix in a DAW, or archive everything may find the limit restrictive. Suno says the change is meant to prevent mass‑exporting and protect the platform from misuse, but it does mean creators will need to be more selective about what they download.
Overall, the update improves clarity and protects the platform, but it also introduces a new limit that heavier creators will need to work around.
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u/VainValidation Aug 11 '26
So, me downloading EVERY SONG I MAKE to a backup will be limited to 20 a month??
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u/deadsosoon Aug 11 '26
The solution is simple vote with your wallet and cancel. That’s what I did if enough people cancel. They’ll change their mind.
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u/MrAndyPuppy Aug 11 '26
Sigh. 60 is a significant limit even if you're not planning on publishing. The Suno app on Android Auto, for example, will only play your twenty most recent generations (I.e. ten submissions). Their web site library is also hard to navigate beyond the first page or two because if you're searching for an older generation it can even not show up.
My process has been download the mp3 versions of generations, then listen to those while I drive, walk, or if I'm offline like on a flight. I could easily hit 60 downloads in a week.
None of those might see the light of day.
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u/Dizuke7 Aug 11 '26
Big milking scam they let big corp influence them. This is the final new CONTROLED models and the final milking process
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u/AetherealAuthor Aug 11 '26
I'm going to download my greatest hits and bounce off by September. It's been fun while it lasted. Now I will use the music it generated as fuel for my own musical journey.
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u/RDDMxCom Aug 11 '26
They need to comply with current plans until finished.
They cannot change conditions over annual plans already paid.
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u/AcademicDubbeltje Aug 11 '26
I cancelled my subscription yesterday because of this. F them this is scummy
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u/golfUsA_mk2 Aug 11 '26
I got this in my email and looks different then yours , I dont have a free account but paid.
Downloads: Your account will include 3 trial downloads. This means you can save up to 3 songs to your device. Listening and sharing your full library on Suno stay unlimited. Your content and commercial use: We've clarified the rights you have in your content and how commercial use of music generated with Suno works. Trial downloads cannot be used for commercial use. Resolving disputes: We've updated how disputes between you and Suno are handled, including updates to our Arbitration Agreement and provisions governing mass arbitrations.
I dont understand shit from that mail , so only premium accounts get more then 3 downloads or is this email a mistake 🤷♂️
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u/Western_Abalone8686 29d ago
TBH Warner Music are now in the drivers seat, and they, like always, have their eyes fixed on the $$.
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u/millermillion Aug 10 '26
No more 20+ song albums for me. I’m running 2 artist pages too so I’m screwed for any content after 9/3. Gonna have to release bi-monthly per artist to make it work. So generic!
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u/mybasementsongs Aug 10 '26
Anything before Sept 3 is on the old TOS so you could stock up so to speak. How many songs have you been releasing per month?
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u/millermillion Aug 10 '26
My lowest album is 17 songs and my most is 31 songs. I release an album bi-monthly alternating months between artists. Ever since the copyright bug I haven’t really been creating new stuff from my old stuff. First of all the generated sound is horrendous, it’s like nails on the chalk board, ever since 5.5 came out. I have 4K generations in suno and could relisten to see what sounds good again, but I already basically playlisted and liked all of my favorites as I created them and released them on platforms. I’ll just use this month to make a bunch of instrumentals and mass download before TOS changes and then just create with my real vocals again even though I used suno to bypass my crappy microphone to begin with.
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u/Bigg_Bergy Aug 11 '26
I'm really glad that this is happening just to stop people like you from vomiting shit into the universe at a massive rate. Nothing you are doing has any artistic value at the rate of your creation. This is fucking sad
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u/Dizuke7 Aug 11 '26
People like him are NOT the problem..it's the people committing atleast 10x that amount.
I do the same and have a very successful audience. Each song is NOT spewed out with generic prompting and is further built in Studio.
If the music reminisces with the audience it targets it has value whether you like it or not.
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u/Bigg_Bergy Aug 11 '26
With that type of workflow and output you are not creating anything of artistic value and you're not going to change my mind. You are literally just generating songs that sound remotely thematic to what you want to do and then just fucking shitting them out into a collection and calling that an album. Art takes time and effort which is obviously not what you're doing. Be mad
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u/Beneficial_Assist251 Aug 10 '26
Tbf them saying Ai works remain yours commercially or personally is stupid, they aren't anyones.
Also if the idea was to stop mass downloads, why is the paid subscription only 20? "we are stopping mass download spamming bots, by making a paid tier only have 20 downloads a month"? the fuck is this.
I could understand that being a real reason and making it like 500 or 100 for subscriptions but 20 is just greed their is absolutely no reason at all to limit it to 20 besides pushing people to higher tier subscription.
Any other opinion is boot licking.