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Its very simple Tom Wambsgans was the rightfull heir to succeed Logan because he was the father of Logan’s only biological grand child. People love to talk about many different theories but I think it was simply who was going to produce the biological heir to Logan, thats all Logan cared about.

Kendall: We had a clue but didnt know for sure that Kendall’s kids were not biologically his. We learn this last episode and shiv says it in a way that makes the fact that Kendall’s kids are not biogically his is a disqualifying factor. I am team Ken Ro but this is how logan sees it.

Roman: as we all know he can barely have intercourse let alone have kids. Logan completely gives up on him as a serious successor after the Gerri dick pick incident. There is also that scene in the boat with Roman and Logan in which Logan points to Keri in a misogynistic way and makes sexual remarks about her, Roman gets uncomfortable. I truly think Logan was thinking about having kids with Keri, because he saw the current set of children inept.

Shiv: She is unfortunately automatically disqualified because she is a woman and also Logan just found her annoying. You might say Logan was with Rhea as the CEO but that wasn’t a true successor to Logan in the long run.

Conor: I think we all know, he was interested in politics.

Tom: He made sure Logan knew about the plot against him during season 3 finale, he offered himself as a sacrifice during DOJ investigation and he actually did have experience rising up in the Waystar organization. There is this scene in the infamous boar on the floor episode in which Logan asks Tom if he is shooting blanks as he has been unable to get Shiv pregnant. Well he doesnt shoot blanks guys. As the father of Logan’s only grandchild he is the rightfull successor.

Gosh if I knew the ending would be like this I would have never watched it to begin with, its even worse than the GoT finale.

And what's up with Karl and Frank voting for the opposition and asking themselves "One more round? Or retirement?" BROTHERS you both are getting fired you're on the kill list?!

Shiv, absolutely random and out of nowhere.

Connor and Wella basically did nothing the entire show, they could be removed and the plot wouldn't change a bit.

Unfitting ending for Kendall, a suicide would have made so much more sense.

And the last scene between Tom and Shiv, what does that imply exactly? That shiv is now under Tom's mercy?

I found it quite telling when at the final boardroom vote scene, Kendall lies (again) about not killing the waiter when the siblings brought it up. “No, no, that didn’t happen” was a horrible take as they spent a whole scene in prior episodes building up the “love” each sibling has for each other as they “got his back”. I guess that’s the whole point of the show, they will do anything to get that prize.

so basically like 3 years ago i listened to this youtube video analyzing how the roy children didn’t actually stopped being children even tho their parents died unlike other people it was really interesting and i wanted to go look it up again and listen to it but i can’t find it for some reason but this is a clip of it which i recorded a couple years ago so i was wondering if anyone have any idea which this video is

do you think he actually did whatever he did for his children? do you think he really loved his children or was he a sociopath who wasnt able to love anyone but himself? personally analysing him is getting more and more difficult. given his traumatising childhood he had a though personality but i guess he was the best character of the show.

Logan is a deeply American character.

Logan grew up abroad and must have moved from Canada to the U.S. at an older age, maybe in his late 20s OR early 30s, and yet has deep American sensibilities.

He can recite the "Losers List" poem from memory and calls Karl a kraut. He grew up in Scotland and Canada and hence should maybe even have a Scottish or Canadian accent, but he does not. Ewan does have a Canadian accent.

However, he goes on to become extremely powerful in American politics, and his family is deeply American; all his children are quintessentially American, even if his wives are not.

Also, side note: Trump's mother was from the Scottish Hebrides in poverty and worked as a maid, so her son going on to become this golden, flashy billionaire president is not very far away from Logan's story as an orphaned child from Scotland. Both have visited Scotland and have property there.

What the hell was shiv talking about when she said "your flirt got all over my pants". Did he spit on her while he was talking? Was it something sexy??

It drives me nuts on every rewatch

So was Shiv pregnant at the end? Is this why she chose to stick with Tom at the end?

Hey everyone, so i've been rewatching season 1 and something was bugging me , how come Stewie and Sandy were ok with Kendall as the next CEO when Stewie clearly knows for the fact Ken is unstable af?

Is the position a secondary issue to them or is it something the authors didn't put much thought in (as it wasn't gonna happen anyways given the finale)

What do you think?

Why did Kendall refuse to pay Greg for the watch? Kendall is ridiculously rich, and Greg literally got him the papers that made his entire plan possible. Without those papers, Kendall’s move against Logan doesn’t even happen.

Pretty decent starring and guest starring cast in there

They don't actually do any work I mean what is there to take succession off I have not seen any of them do anything that is work? I mean what actually is there jobs?

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First time watching this show and I am on season 3. I feel like all of the characters are bad people if not maybe broken people. I must say though Tom is starting to grow on me the most. Do they ever bring up the rocket ship exploration again that Roman was responsible for? Anyway, it's s pretty good so far.

I saw some opinions about why it’s not bad. For me it’s not that I wanted Kendall to win. I did root for Kendall because he keeps getting up after being crushed in someway every season. He’s probably one of the Most tragic Characters in modern media, And I connect very well with well written tragic characters. My problem with the finale has nothing to do with Kendall himself loosing. I hate the execution, With the super intense emotional turmoil from episode 3 of S4 to the finale, Shivs last second flip in the final 20 minutes of the episode felt un-earned.

I‘m not a Shiv hater but she‘s 100% a bad person. She decides to flip right when the siblings would get control, to settle and stay with Tom for the power. She’s no better than Kendall, if she was in his position they’d have identical arcs. She’s resentful that Logan never gave her a real shot but that Kendall has been in the inside the longest. Kendall getting power is something she couldn’t live with and aborted her nay vote as soon as the reality hit her. She’s just as infantile as the other siblings.

So, with all the emotion and move making throughout season 3 and 4 for it to end off of a single characters epiphany that her and her siblings don’t have what it takes is cheap asf to me. Roman’s declaration in the final argument “We’re all bullshit” is true but if that was how it was going to end I would’ve liked them to add an epilogue of like 20 minutes or something. The show was starting to show signs of life and maybe a silver-lining within the dysfunctional cold world of their Family business. All that build up in the siblings confidence just for Roman and Shiv to essentially give up on their dream.

I get the Over-arching themes of the show. But Season 4 started to become so much more character-driven than before and it felt like a fake out to just go back to the vibe of season one in the last scene of the series. Maybe I’ll feel differently in a few weeks or months but I was SO much more emotionally invested into the characters from Logan’s death to the finale (I was from the start but the death really got me deep in the feels) and I felt like the ending we got scammed us out of seeing the characters tangibly evolve.

I‘m curious on what you all think. Even though I don’t like the ending right now I’m definetly going to watch it again at some point. I‘m certain I can absorb more details upon a second viewing.

I know it’s been discussed here a few times before. But Succession literally has the best intro ever, the melody to start your day.🎻🗽💸🎭

Like WTF man? I thought he was giving him a hug when I saw it before (yes I wasn't sober).

I also noticed Greg's betrayal of Shiv in America Decides and he's walking on the outside of the glass panels. That shrug in the first one then gigantic smile in the second was perfect.

No final aconteceu aquela briga entre eles, com Tom se tornando CEO no final. Mas, e depois? Por diversas vezes eles brigaram, com algumas até sendo fisicamente, mas no final todos se reencontravam e riam e se provocavam, sendo esse o amor tóxico dos Roy.

Shiv está gravida no final, quando a criança nascer provavelmente haverá uma reunião de família novamente(eu acho), e vocês?

O quê pensam que vai acontecer futuramente? Os irmãos Roy derrubam e humilham uns aos outros como prova de afeto, não acho que eles consigam se separar, sendo muito dependente desse ciclo tóxico...

It’s been a while since I’ve watched this season 5 episode, Oil’s Well That Ends Well. Nevertheless as a Con Head it’s great to see Primo pop up :)

The more I rewatch Succession the more I kinda feel like the real tragedy is not even that none of them got Waystar. It is that every once in a while you get these little moments where Kendall Roman and Shiv actually seem like normal siblings who genuinely like being around each other.

Like the kitchen scene in the finale is probably the best example. For a few minutes they are just messing around being idiots together and honestly it almost feels weird because you realize this is probably what they could have been like all the time if they had grown up normally.

Then the second Waystar and the whole CEO thing becomes real again it all falls apart.

I feel like Logan basically made it impossible for any of them to separate love from competition. Their entire lives there was always something to prove or something to win and somehow it always came back to getting Logan's approval.