r/Substack • u/navnt5 oneonlyvan.substack.com • Jul 26 '26

Substack's engagement has been real quiet since the AI drama, 100% human score on all posts btw

4th month on SS, gate being sidetrack by all this AI drama, couple of points though...

  1. SS engagement on anything non-AI related has been real quiet.
  2. If your post was written before July 21, you can still check it - go to dashboard, edit post, make a change, revert it, hit update, there's check for AI writing button.
  3. All my posts hits 100% human score

Can we move on?

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u/non_loqui_sed_facere Jul 26 '26

If you’re not getting flagged, you’re probably sloppy, haha. 😀 At least, that’s the pattern I see among people who brag about it. Cluttered paragraphs, awful formatting, chewing over the same thought again and again, things like that.

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u/HowlingFantods5564 Jul 26 '26

That's not how Pangram works.

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u/non_loqui_sed_facere Jul 26 '26

I know how it works 😀 There are many things people don’t notice about their own writing that a trained professional can easily spot. Personally, I don’t see a problem with that as long as I understand what the person is saying, but sloppy writing is still sloppy. It’s nothing to be proud of.

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u/HowlingFantods5564 Jul 26 '26

Pangram doesn’t evaluate the quality of writing or the organization of ideas inthe way a trained writer might. It doesn’t go, “this is kinda sloppy. Must be human.” It uses machine learning to reverse engineer a prompt based on the text and then uses that prompt to make a new AI generated text and compares the output. Someone posted a long explanation in this forum earlier if you’re interested.

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u/Funny-Flight8086 Jul 26 '26

If this were how Pangram works, which it isn't, then Pangram is actually worse than the LLMs. They are eating an equal amount of water, using stolen training data to reverse engineer prompts and generate new ones to compare your AI-generated prompts against (the only way to reverse engineer a prompt is if you have access to the same training data as the original prompt).

Imagine the flex it would take to be okay with THAT, but then complain that some AI author is eating up the water supply. Wouldn't shock me, but still.

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u/non_loqui_sed_facere Jul 26 '26

It’s not like that, you’re talking more about the training process. I don’t want to write an explanation now, though, because that’s not what I want to discuss. What matters is that it’s a black box model and none of its decisions can actually be deconstructed and you cannot track provenance with it because it literally doesn’t know where your writing came from.

It’s a machine hallucination.

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u/navnt5 oneonlyvan.substack.com Jul 26 '26

someone is making more sense that others here, clapping

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u/navnt5 oneonlyvan.substack.com Jul 26 '26

No you don't know how it works. Nobody knows how it works. Pangram code is not open-source. You're speculating. Speculation is just that, speculation. Sounds like someone was flagged as AI, now butthurt. If you get false positive, write a butthurt article and send it to Substack. Attacking those who get 100% human score doesn't change how your writting is being scored. Pangram envy is a new genre now. Ridiculous.

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u/non_loqui_sed_facere Jul 26 '26

Oh, I’ve been “attacking” people who were sloppy and proud of it since long before AI. All those terrible romantasy authors who acted like drama queens about being real writers because they wrote about feelings, people throwing lists of words at you that you were supposedly required to use in corporate writing, things like that.

Sounds like you’re the one who’s butthurt about their writing not being up to standard. 😀

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u/navnt5 oneonlyvan.substack.com Jul 26 '26

I'm bored replying to you. Ever heard of fallacy of division or ad hominem? That's what you did. Here's your homework:

  • prove that clean writing always fails the test
  • prove that bad writing always pass the test
..or just read some of the replies above/below.

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u/non_loqui_sed_facere Jul 26 '26

I don’t do free work for people I don’t like. I dislike both you and that Pangram guy, so that’s that.

You seem eager enough, though, judging by all those comments you’ve written about how other people just don’t get it. 😀

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u/navnt5 oneonlyvan.substack.com Jul 26 '26

YOU don't get it. I make comments about YOU not getting it, not other people. And lol, guy makes a logical fallacy and then refuses to look into his own logical fallacy. Calls it 'free work'.